Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9040256)

Nice time to appreciate CBC News

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This might explain why so many people, even here, are saying stuff like "Trudeau purposefully did this to gain himself more seats". It's a talking point that gets repeated everywhere except very few places.

Originally Posted by JD¹³ (Post 9040262)

Because as has been repeated all over the place: no one wanted it right now. JT needs to go but this was absolutely not the time to do it. JT promised he wouldn't call an election during the pandemic then thought he could secure more power and snapped it with as little notice as legally possible. The Liberals didn't even have a platform for the election they called until the cycle was half over. Voter turn out may be a historic low at only 58.5% (vice 67% in 2019) and there have been growing complaints of people unable to vote due to closed or inaccessible polling stations. Terrible timing and circumstance, no one wanted it, no one really cares about the result, and it accomplished nothing for anyone. That's a waste.

You can't be serious with this. Appreciate what? CBC is the most blatantly Liberal-sucking network on TV and even they were saying this was a waste and a failed attempt to gain more power during the 10 mins I had it on over breakfast. The talking point gets repeated everywhere because it's true. Why would he call an election two years earlier than needed if not to try and take advantage of the situation and gain more seats? That's EXACTLY why he did it. He hypocritically called it in the midst of the fourth wave of the pandemic and during the fall of Afghanistan and subsequent humanitarian crisis, two exponentially more important problems to focus on instead of dissolving parliament so he could feed his own ego - and even the Liberal CBC has been ripping him for it. How convenient they're left off your graphic....

General comment: Shame JT broke his promise on electoral reform, we'd have a very different political landscape from 2015. The Liberals would have lost 5 of the last 6 elections to the Conservatives if done by proportional representation, including this one. Given voter turnout and loss of the popular vote again he won with only 18.6% of the eligible Canadian population voting Liberal. Not even 1/5 of the country, that's brutal 'support'. I feel like the NDP gets ripped off with the lack of representation as well. Our system is antiquated (though the US is far worse) and we've needed reform for a long time. The elections are always called before the polls even close in the west. 107 seats from BC-MB including YT-NU, and 231 from ON to the East Coast. At minimum seats need to be pulled from Atlantic Canada and Quebec and moved to BC/AB based on populous. For example: Quebec has 78 seats with a pop of 8.4X million (and a separatist federal party which is another topic), AB and BC combined have 9.3X million and only 76 seats in parliament. Atlantic Canada has a population of 2.4X million and is grossly over-represented in Parliament with 32 seats, AB has almost double the population with 4.3X million and only two more seats with 34. NT has approx 250,000 residents and one MP, by that math Atlantic Canada should only have 10 seats. I don't care where you're from or what your political affiliation is but we all have to see that that's not right. The Western provinces and Territories need more weight in Parliament.

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9040296)

Conservatives: “There has to be a way get Trudeau out! We need to get someone else to run the country! I hate that fucking guy, fucking Liberals!!”

Trudeau: “I’m holding an election now, please cast your votes to determine who represents you”

Conservatives: “What a fucking waste of money!”

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9040294)

The news paper thing is irrelevant. The amount of people who’s vote is influenced by reading print media is inconsequential.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9040298)

I never heard any of those people who wanted to get rid of Trudeau asking for an election.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9040298)

I never heard any of those people who wanted to get rid of Trudeau asking for an election.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9040300)

Mainstream media absolutey, in TV and online publications

The Vancouver sun and province, even with their online presence is not influencing the outcomes of any riding. And I would assume that’s the case with the majority of that list

Almost every big news paper in Canada is on life support with barely enough subscribers to keep afloat. I would also wager that anyone still getting the physical paper is likely intelligent enough to not be swayed by opinion pieces lol

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9040307)

So you would say these “biased” conservative supporting newspapers had an influence on the election outcome?

Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9040290)

A lot of people, and media have blamed vote splitting with the ppc for the cons loss. If you want to get down to it, if you consider the libs on the progressive side of the middle, the numbers clearly state that Canada wants a progressive government if you want to look at it like that. 17.7 +32.2 = 49.8 in comparison to the 39.1 carried between the cons and PPC.
I honestly don’t know where to put the bloc. Progressive financial policy while being pretty far right on some social issues while pretty far left on some others.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9040297)

Even then.. I don’t see them being a factor. Can you honestly say people are swayed by these articles? If that was the case it’s obviously not working very well given the election results.

Think it just goes to show conservatives own businesses, surprise surprise :troll:

Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9040315)

Yeah I find the popular vote a pretty meaningless statistic in Canadian politics.

Sure you could say the Cons had the highest popular vote at 31.8%. But you could also say that 68.2% of the country voted against them.

Originally Posted by Eff-1 (Post 9040335)

people can come up with statistics to prove anything. forfty per cent of all people know that.

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9040301)

It’s the best way to do it isn’t it?

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9040296)

Conservatives: “There has to be a way get Trudeau out! We need to get someone else to run the country! I hate that fucking guy, fucking Liberals!!”

Trudeau: “I’m holding an election now, please cast your votes to determine who represents you”

Conservatives: “What a fucking waste of money!”

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9040343)

Responding to this and Westopher's sentiments on the same group of people simultaneously wanting to get rid of Trudeau while citing the election was a waste of $600M+, I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Both points are entirely valid, and both points can coexist in the same person / group without conflicts.

I, for one, would very much liked to have seen Trudeau get voted out. I think he is incompetent in far too many ways, and he has overstayed his welcome in the PM office. At the same time, despite his incompetence, he hasn't committed any crimes that requires the immediate removal of him from office -- it isn't like he pulled a Nixon-Watergate on us yet. So because we are only 23 months into Trudeau's second term, I'd say a much better time to get rid of him is something further down the line, preferably some time after the 36th month of his second term, if not closer to the 48th month time frame.

Whenever we cast our ballots in a federal election, we know going in that in theory and for better or for worse, we are committing to a government of (up to) 4 years. Anything shorter than that is a bit wasteful. Only going through less than 1/2 his term and calling for a new election on his own -- instead of having his parliament voted down by a vote of no confidence from the opposition parties -- shows the PM and the governing party doesn't care for being wasteful of our tax dollars.

Also, note that regardless of who won the election, it was still wasteful for Trudeau to call an election this early in his 2nd term. The fact that Parliament largely stayed the same after the election is only adding more insult to injury. It is not because Parliament mostly stayed the same that this election was wasteful.