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It can be explained to me 100x, but I’ll never understand the logic of having solutions offered to your problem and just turning them down while providing no alternative, while continuing to complain about the problem. It’s like people just would rather have something to be mad about than not. |
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Our parliamentary system allows the ruling party to set election dates when they desire. It's what sets us apart from countries like the USA. The prevalence of minority governments, which complicates these election calls even further is also something that sets us apart from the USA, and a good thing. If you look back at the history of minority governments in Canada, none really last much longer than 2 years (Joe Clark's government only lasted 8 months) , so this sort of thing is absolutely normal and expected to me. |
Traum ... don't worry about it. There are people here who can't hold things in tension or more than one competing ideas at the same time. For them, it's either/or, black/white, us/them .. they can't exist in a both/and world where 2 seemingly different ideas can both be valid or true. They think that something can't be sweet and salty. They think that a person can't be unhappy and yet happy. Eventually, they'll come around when they have more life experience. And as you can tell, the last 2 pages of this thread has just gone down the toilet real fast, what were reasonable people are now just piling on, thumping their chest. |
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The scandals are just scandals. They are bad and reflects poorly on him, but on their own, unfortunately they are not enough to be used as reasons to toss him out. What I am saying he -- when Trudeau was elected in 2019, he received a mandate to govern for up to 4 years. For better or for worse, we are "stuck" with him for roughly that amount of time. Without a / some seriously bad wrongdoing(s), we can't invoke any sort of "special procedures" to remove him. Election results have shown that Canadians are not fed up enough with Trudeau yet to remove him from office. The near-identical Parliamentary seats are suggesting that Canadians just want the MPs to get back to work, instead of wasting time and money on frivolous elections. Just as you can make the argument that leaving Trudeau in office (without an election attempt to throw him out) is undesirably bad, the election results are telling us that Canadian voters don't perceive Trudeau to be bad enough yet to get voted out. According to your conjecture that "leaving Trudeau in office to spend more money and go into more corruption/scandals" is a bad idea, perhaps having him in office for another 12 months before an election is called would drum up enough dissatisfaction among the voters to get rid of him. Of course, this isn't the MCU, and there are no "what if" situations. At the end of the day, I'm saying I would have preferred to have this election held in Sept 2022 instead of Sept 2021, and spending that $600M to do it now is wasteful because it is spent 12 months too early. Quote:
If Canadians weren't asking for a premature election, and the opposition party / parties have initiated one without any major wrongdoing from the PM / governing party, I would expect voters to punish the opposition for triggering an unnecessary election. |
Haha ...ROTL SNC-Lavalin corporations and 2 former top execs charged with fraud, forgery by RCMP https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/snc-...rcmp-1.5597229 |
The Liberals took a gamble or calculated risk or whatever. If they won they'd look like heroes. It didn't work out people are pissed and rightfully so. Not much more to that. I enjoyed watching this criminal lawyer analyze Justin Trudeau. |
Come on that video is stupid/pointless as fuck lol Not even a Turd fan but it’s horseshit Anyone could do the exact same thing to any public figure |
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here's an idea. Why not try to work with the opposition? Realize maybe everything you're doing isn't the only way. Be open to what the opposition is saying and maybe try working with them If he calls another election in two years, like what's the point. |
It’s entirely possible it will be even sooner than that, minority governments don’t have a habit of lasting very long. |
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i feel like meme was created for/by CiC :lol |
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Could be posted on real estate thread but feels pertinent here due to the big election issue. Article about housing. Yet another “fuckin Trudeau” problem that clearly goes well beyond our borders and is a massive global issue. https://apple.news/A2jiepS7nRoGWBN28FBJehg |
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It's not his fault. As far as con leaders go, O'Toole genuinely doesn't seem like a piece of shit. Thats his issue. His party is based on a platform that's half nut jobs, and half reasonable people with some individualistic ideologies. The entire idea of conservatism is broad and incredibly fractured in canada. The party has the most difficult base because its trying to appeal to a far too large audience. As I said, the different levels of progressive government has a lot of different representation, where the right has Fucking whack jobs: PPC Whack jobs all the way to moderate progressives: conservative There's no way for them to appeal to enough Canadians. Remember that pigfucker Derek sloan was a candidate for con leadership and he got like 400 votes and came in 4th place in his riding. That is quite telling. |
Maybe pointless to ask here but what’s with all right wing political groups in all first world countries turning into whackjob religious anti-science wink wink nudge nudge racist parties? I mean Canada’s Conservative party is probably more liberal than the USA’s Democratic Party is in many respects but it’s even rearing it’s ugly head here within the party and through the PPC as well. What do these people actually want in the end? To me Conservative party growing up was just like about idealism and staying the course and logical financial decisions (thought his can definitely be argued in practice) and less of a bleeding heart / a little bit less government interference or less stringent taxation than, say, the Liberal party. It’s nothing like that nowadays. |
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You're seeing this manifested in the states long before it made its way up here. If there were more rightwing parties in the states, you'd likely never see the Republicans win, the vote splitting would be immense, this is why the Republican party has fought vociferously to stop the advent of any new parties (the Democrats have as well, but to a lesser degree). Our multi-party system will continue to pose a real problem for any centrist-right party, as the electorate continues to become further indoctrinated by PPC-style propaganda politics. The Conservatives are in a real lose/lose situation right now, and it will be difficult for them to find a real national identity that is successful. Meanwhile the Liberals can continue to just be "meh" and win elections handedly. If the NDP ever find a leader as likable as a Jack Layton again, I'd say the Liberals would be in more trouble, but as it stands, they will continue to cruise to fairly easy victories IMHO. |
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Nowadays you have Youtube, Podcasts, Substack, go down the list of avenues in which one can consume ideas and media. The reality is the hardcore right has invested time and money into cultivating these platforms for the last 2 decades now. They've now created a beast in which they can no longer control, and you're seeing this problem blowing up in western democracies in Europe as well. The right is moving more from the center, and to its extreme ends, accelerated and fueled by online media. Until the electorate becomes more savvy to this bullshit, it will continue to evolve. The reality is that humans are primal -- we naturally adhere to tribalism, rightwing ideas of "us vs them" fit perfectly into that type of mentality. We have become atrophied in a political and cultural sense, I truly don't have an answer on how to fix this problem. It's no wonder why countries like China keep such a firm stranglehold on internet media and online discourse. |
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Organizationally, it seems to me that at the federal level, the NDP is also nowhere nearly as organized as the Liberals or even the Conservatives. They field candidates that seem to lack experience, or is at least giving the impression that those candidates lack experience. |
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