In nearly 20 years of voting, I can't recall an election such as the one coming this fall, where the options just aren't there without heavily compromising principals/ideals. I'd even give Bernier a look if his party had more of a track record and he would flip his policy on net-neutrality and telecom deregulation.

Referring to 100B in debt

I do have an opinion on climate change as well. Yes it is real, yes it is accelerating. It's not the first time in our planets history though. The Ice Age, the Carboniferous period. Both times, planetary chemistry and climates were vastly different. Extinction of life on our planet isn't that big of a deal either, as long as there is bacteria still alive, and I bet that they will be sticking around. The earth isn't some living being that has feelings to be hurt. The universe does not give a fuck what happens. We are living in a sliver of time on earths life supporting existence, if we end up fucking shit up so bad that humans can't survive, which would have to be pretty bad, and i figure very gradually, then mankind is the only fallout of that.

Fair enough, I was mistaken, for some reason I seem to recall headlines of deficits around 25B/year.

Officially:

Federal Debt end of 2015: 612.3B
Federal Debt end of 2018: 669.6B
Predicted deficit for 2019-2020: 20B

Increase to net debt after 4 years: 77.3B, average of 19.3B/year

I must have some Liberal tendencies, when I see these numbers I'm kinda like:

"Mehhh, 77B, 100B, what's the difference."

Maybe we can consider giving the NDP a fair shake

That pretty much sums up how I feel... Whether it's happening or not is a science question and the consensus is yes. Is it going to affect life on earth? Sure... but what do species do since there was life on this planet? When faced with a new predator or changing environment, all life either adapts, evolves or goes extinct. Those able to withstand the new environment will go on. The strong will survive. Even if humans can't survive, life will on earth will go on. That said, clean up after yourself, recycle, reuse, reduce polution.... because I don't want to live on a dumpy planet... lol

Testimony/story from Butts is as expected ... not buying it. JWR being shuffled out of AG portfolio was such an obvious act to get her out of the way.

So Butts, why did you resign again if you didn't do anything inappropriate?

https://www.ourwindsor.ca/news-story...n-snc-lavalin/

My guess is that a few things will eventually come out of this:

1. Evidence that Lametti's first order of business as newly appointed AG was to pursue a DPA for SNC.

2. Evidence that various members of parliament and the PMO colluded in applying pressure to JWR seeking to obtain a DPA for SNC

3. Evidence that the strategy behind the cabinet shuffle that saw JWR moved out of the position of AG was the result of her refusal to issue a directive to the DPP to pursue a DPA with SNC

On the subject of DPA's and the Liberal narrative that the pursuit of a DPA was to save 9000+ Canadian jobs...

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../page-179.html

With respect to Bill C-74 and the associated changes to the Criminal Code of Canada that establishes provisions for a DPA, from PART XXII.1, Section 715.3 Remediation Agreements:

The Liberals seem unaware that they are acting in contravention of a law that they developed in June of 2018, the argument that economic impact warrants the SNC DPA directly conflicts with Section 715.3 of the Criminal Code.

Baboons.

:joy:

Exactly!
Someone who will step in and tell the corporations that we're not bending to their whims is what I envision in a leader. Someone who doesn't belong to the lobbyists, as opposed to someone protecting the SNC Lavalins of the world.

I've heard this narrative before. Only, the other person referred to it as "draining the swamp".

It's probably the only positive thing that Trump has done during his time in the Oval Office. He has caught the attention of the proletariat.

That said, even Hitler had some good ideas. Now, I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, but I am saying that you can easily lost sight of the good things when there are so many bad things to focus on.

I'd love to see Trudeau step down over this. Aside from legal MJ,which the provinces completely messed up, he didn't have much more to offer.

If he goes down who will we see doing the Indian dance again? Who will see trying to so hard to promote gender equality that he invented a new word "peoplekind". ?

Jagmeet

At least he wouldn't look so out of place.
:lol

I mean, imagine Trump, or Markle, or Jinping dressing up like that. It just wouldn't happen because they're actual politicians. Not just a pretty pair of socks with great hair.

Trump is a real politician?
Also, Megan Markle is an actress.
Angela Merkel is a politician.

When has one seen Trump wear anything that wasn't a navy or black suit? LOL.

My god, I'm still laughing that Trudeau dressing up in Indian garb was his biggest scandal thus far, fuck who cares already, move on.

There are politicians in the states dressing in black face, and we're complaining about a politician placating to the local populace on a visit?

The more I read about this whole SNC Lavalin "controversy" the more I'm laughing at Conservatives that are up in arms about the whole thing.

Let me get this straight. The Conservative party, and Conservatives for that matter are supposed to be pro jobs, pro business. Their very philosophy is the economy and jobs over everything else. SNC Lavalin employs something like 8000 workers in Canada, they are the largest construction firm in Canada.

I am no fan of crony capitalism in the slightest, I think that's pretty clear here. SNC Lavalin is appointed on a wide range of government projects, criminal proceedings against the company would've cost them potentially billions, as well as risking numerous jobs.

Do any Conservatives here really think Andrew Scheer wouldn't have done the same? If the economy is shit, you blame Trudeau, when he supposedly does something to protect the economy and jobs, you call him trash.

Once again, I'm not a fan of Trudeau, but how the hell do you want it?

Let's just call this what it is, a nothing burger. The people who have a problem with this never liked Trudeau in the first place, and are grasping for straws due to their distaste for his snow flaking "political correctness".

Just be honest about it.

Anyone watching any of the stuff during sitting periods in the house of commons? it really gives a better idea on how fucked up this whole thing is, regardless of whether youre on team blue or red.

Trudeau is literally unable to answer a single question. Its like hes a robot with 10 pre-programmed responses and he just plays the same respone everytime.

Anyone: "Mr Prime Minister: Will you sit before and answer questions to the committee regarding this matter:
JT: "Our government will continue to support the opportunity for hard working Canadians to keep their jobs"

Anyone: "Mr Prime Minister: Can you answer yes or no, did you ever contact the former AG?"
JT: "Our government will continue to support the opportunity for hard working Canadians to keep their jobs"

Anyone: Mr Prime Minister: Can you pick a number between 1 and 10"
JT: "Our government will continue to support the opportunity for hard working Canadians to keep their jobs"

When did Trump drain the swamp? I must've missed that memo because D.C looks still looks very much the same these days

I used to work at SNC Lavalin during the Vancouver RAV line construction. I surfed a lot of porn and took 30 min shits every day.

At the same time?

:heckno:

I'd have to disagree with most of what you've written here, Mike.

To me, the issue that crossed the line is -- what JT, Gerry Butts, Morneau, PMO, and others have done here effectively amounts to the obstruction of justice. In a society governed by the rule of law, this is a very serious charge.

It is one thing for JT and his cronies to disagree with JWR. It is quite another to repeatedly "persuade" her over an extended period (of 4 months) in attempt to alter her decision as AG.

As the opposition party that stands to gain the most out of the situation, of course the Cons are jumping up and down and up in arms about it. It is political theatrics -- that is quite easy to see through. But people should be legitimately upset about this because an attempt has been made to breach a core value that Canada should believe in. It doesn't matter if it was the Liberals, Cons, NDP, or Greens doing it.

Where else would I get the TP to clean up?

But just to stay on topic JWR, who is a lawyer and under consultation with a former Supreme Court judge stated that the actions were NOT criminal and NOT illegal. So the obstruction of justice is just a narrative that some people wanna jump on.

I agree that despite everything JT and co. has done, it is difficult / impossible to show their actions are illegal. However, it was definitely completely inappropriate, and that puts it somewhere in the gray area between regular persuasion and obstruction of justice.

JT & co. doesn't need to do something criminal or illegal for the general public to judge him in the court of public opinion. I'd say that out of all his blunders since becoming PM, the current scandal is definitely the most serious and damaging event in his political career.

Markle is a representative of the Royal Family and well known for her fashion sense. My point is that you can take a girl from a questionable upbringing and throw her on the world scene, and even she has more sense than JT.

Also, Merkel is a sea cow who happens to speak German.



Exactly. Even the dotard who triggers you incessantly knows that when you're visiting with foreign dignitaries, that is not the time to play dress-up. It was embarrassing for us as a country.


What about when they were haranguing with a known criminal on the same trip, Jaspal Atwal. This is a guy who tried to kill Ujjal Dosanjh!
https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/...ew_web_jpg.jpg

Sophie Gregoire took the fall for that one. For a feminist, JT really doesn't support his women...

Hey fucktard, there is a US politics thread for you to whine in if you want to talk about that.

I agree with the CPC. This is a real problem as we're viewed on the world scene. You're probably just some kid, but I remember a time when Canadians were welcomed to Asia and Europe. When you could put a Canadian flag on your backpack and have dinners bought for you in places like Brussels and Munich. Between our canoodling with the Ghaddafis and our treatment of Huawai execs, those times are changing.

Many industry analysts have said that the fallout wouldn't be as bad as JT is making it out to be. Not all 9000 jobs are going to go. In fact, with the typical timeline of a court case, chances are SNC would be able to complete the many projects they have on the go. SNC Canadian business is tiny compared to their global business.

Did you know that SNC Lavalin has over 50,000 global employees?
They have 8732 employees in Canada, while many of them are foriegners contracted from outside of the country.

But hey, JT gots to save dem Canadian jobs...

Ugh, hyperbole.
Do you have any actual facts?

I have no idea what you're trying to say. It's like CIC took over your keyboard.

Get back on your meds, Mikehmg.

Pretty funny at the beginning how JT totally deny the SNC affair to totally saying it happen coz he did it to keep jobs in Canada in a month.