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In nearly 20 years of voting, I can't recall an election such as the one coming this fall, where the options just aren't there without heavily compromising principals/ideals. I'd even give Bernier a look if his party had more of a track record and he would flip his policy on net-neutrality and telecom deregulation.
Good point on some how piling on nearly 100 billion in debt in 5 years during an era of one of the largest global economic booms recently. The economy could have gone the complete opposite direction but we're here because of Trudeau's, not only inability, but almost refusal to get anything done to take advantage of the high demand for energy right now. And the worst part is the window is all but closed, and Canada's economy is already slowing significantly.
I've not yet formed a scientific opinion on global warming, it's not because I'm some tinfoil-hat-wearing climate change denier, it's because the matter appears to be quite complex. At a basic level do I believe that the constant generation emissions from the consumption of petroleum products certainly can't be good for the planet. Having said that, until we, as consumers, are willing to make drastic changes to the way we live our lives there will not be any meaningful reduction in GHG's, we are exceptionally wasteful people.
What I have formed an opinion on is that exports represent economic injections and are therefore extremely important to improving the quality of life for Canadians.
I was being facetious.
The motivating factors for her appointment fit the JT agenda of gender and ethnicity, specifically his claim of being a "feminist" and his desire for "truth and reconciliation". I would suggest that appointments are normally made on the basis of what is most beneficial to the Party, not what is most pleasing to the narrative/public eye.
Taxation through increased economic activity as opposed to taxation through increased tax rates.
Referring to 100B in debt
I do have an opinion on climate change as well. Yes it is real, yes it is accelerating. It's not the first time in our planets history though. The Ice Age, the Carboniferous period. Both times, planetary chemistry and climates were vastly different. Extinction of life on our planet isn't that big of a deal either, as long as there is bacteria still alive, and I bet that they will be sticking around. The earth isn't some living being that has feelings to be hurt. The universe does not give a fuck what happens. We are living in a sliver of time on earths life supporting existence, if we end up fucking shit up so bad that humans can't survive, which would have to be pretty bad, and i figure very gradually, then mankind is the only fallout of that.
I do have an opinion on climate change as well. Yes it is real, yes it is accelerating. It's not the first time in our planets history though. The Ice Age, the Carboniferous period. Both times, planetary chemistry and climates were vastly different. Extinction of life on our planet isn't that big of a deal either, as long as there is bacteria still alive, and I bet that they will be sticking around. The earth isn't some living being that has feelings to be hurt. The universe does not give a fuck what happens. We are living in a sliver of time on earths life supporting existence, if we end up fucking shit up so bad that humans can't survive, which would have to be pretty bad, and i figure very gradually, then mankind is the only fallout of that.
That pretty much sums up how I feel... Whether it's happening or not is a science question and the consensus is yes. Is it going to affect life on earth? Sure... but what do species do since there was life on this planet? When faced with a new predator or changing environment, all life either adapts, evolves or goes extinct. Those able to withstand the new environment will go on. The strong will survive. Even if humans can't survive, life will on earth will go on. That said, clean up after yourself, recycle, reuse, reduce polution.... because I don't want to live on a dumpy planet... lol
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OTTAWA—Attorney General David Lametti has sought an external legal opinion on “issues” raised by the controversial SNC-Lavalin case, which has seen two ministers resign over the PMO’s handling of the affair, the Toronto Star has learned.
“The minister has sought outside advice on some of the issues raised by the matter, which is typical on high-profile or otherwise important questions,” said Lametti’s spokesperson David Taylor, in response to questions from the Star.
Asked to clarify if Lametti went outside to get the external legal advice that former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould testified she refused to seek, Taylor said: “To be abundantly clear, the advice is not of the variety that PMO is alleged to have suggested to the former minister to get. It’s not in that realm.”
Wilson-Raybould testified last week that she resisted repeated efforts by the Prime Minister’s Office to persuade her to seek an outside legal opinion as a “solution” to resolving an impasse with the PMO. She said she believes she was demoted from her post as attorney general for refusing to bend to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s will. She resigned weeks later as veterans affairs minister, saying she no longer had confidence to sit around the cabinet table.
Taylor said the advice sought by Lametti was not to determine whether any pressure brought to bear on Wilson-Raybould was undue, unethical or unlawful.
So it remains an open question why Lametti went outside his own department in the matter, and what advice he got.
My guess is that a few things will eventually come out of this:
1. Evidence that Lametti's first order of business as newly appointed AG was to pursue a DPA for SNC.
2. Evidence that various members of parliament and the PMO colluded in applying pressure to JWR seeking to obtain a DPA for SNC
3. Evidence that the strategy behind the cabinet shuffle that saw JWR moved out of the position of AG was the result of her refusal to issue a directive to the DPP to pursue a DPA with SNC
On the subject of DPA's and the Liberal narrative that the pursuit of a DPA was to save 9000+ Canadian jobs...
With respect to Bill C-74 and the associated changes to the Criminal Code of Canada that establishes provisions for a DPA, from PART XXII.1, Section 715.3 Remediation Agreements:
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(3) Despite paragraph (2)(i), if the organization is alleged to have committed an offence under section 3 or 4 of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act, the prosecutor must not consider the national economic interest, the potential effect on relations with a state other than Canada or the identity of the organization or individual involved.
The Liberals seem unaware that they are acting in contravention of a law that they developed in June of 2018, the argument that economic impact warrants the SNC DPA directly conflicts with Section 715.3 of the Criminal Code.
Baboons.
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In nearly 20 years of voting, I can't recall an election such as the one coming this fall, where the options just aren't there without heavily compromising principals/ideals.
I'd even give Bernier a look if his party had more of a track record and he would flip his policy on net-neutrality and telecom deregulation.
Exactly!
Someone who will step in and tell the corporations that we're not bending to their whims is what I envision in a leader. Someone who doesn't belong to the lobbyists, as opposed to someone protecting the SNC Lavalins of the world.
Exactly!
Someone who will step in and tell the corporations that we're not bending to their whims is what I envision in a leader. Someone who doesn't belong to the lobbyists, as opposed to someone protecting the SNC Lavalins of the world.
I've heard this narrative before. Only, the other person referred to it as "draining the swamp".
I've heard this narrative before. Only, the other person referred to it as "draining the swamp".
It's probably the only positive thing that Trump has done during his time in the Oval Office. He has caught the attention of the proletariat.
That said, even Hitler had some good ideas. Now, I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, but I am saying that you can easily lost sight of the good things when there are so many bad things to focus on.
I'd love to see Trudeau step down over this. Aside from legal MJ,which the provinces completely messed up, he didn't have much more to offer.
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It's probably the only positive thing that Trump has done during his time in the Oval Office. He has caught the attention of the proletariat.
That said, even Hitler had some good ideas. Now, I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, but I am saying that you can easily lost sight of the good things when there are so many bad things to focus on.
I'd love to see Trudeau step down over this. Aside from legal MJ,which the provinces completely messed up, he didn't have much more to offer.
If he goes down who will we see doing the Indian dance again? Who will see trying to so hard to promote gender equality that he invented a new word "peoplekind". ?
I mean, imagine Trump, or Markle, or Jinping dressing up like that. It just wouldn't happen because they're actual politicians. Not just a pretty pair of socks with great hair.
When has one seen Trump wear anything that wasn't a navy or black suit? LOL.
My god, I'm still laughing that Trudeau dressing up in Indian garb was his biggest scandal thus far, fuck who cares already, move on.
There are politicians in the states dressing in black face, and we're complaining about a politician placating to the local populace on a visit?
The more I read about this whole SNC Lavalin "controversy" the more I'm laughing at Conservatives that are up in arms about the whole thing.
Let me get this straight. The Conservative party, and Conservatives for that matter are supposed to be pro jobs, pro business. Their very philosophy is the economy and jobs over everything else. SNC Lavalin employs something like 8000 workers in Canada, they are the largest construction firm in Canada.
I am no fan of crony capitalism in the slightest, I think that's pretty clear here. SNC Lavalin is appointed on a wide range of government projects, criminal proceedings against the company would've cost them potentially billions, as well as risking numerous jobs.
Do any Conservatives here really think Andrew Scheer wouldn't have done the same? If the economy is shit, you blame Trudeau, when he supposedly does something to protect the economy and jobs, you call him trash.
Once again, I'm not a fan of Trudeau, but how the hell do you want it?
Let's just call this what it is, a nothing burger. The people who have a problem with this never liked Trudeau in the first place, and are grasping for straws due to their distaste for his snow flaking "political correctness".
Anyone watching any of the stuff during sitting periods in the house of commons? it really gives a better idea on how fucked up this whole thing is, regardless of whether youre on team blue or red.
Trudeau is literally unable to answer a single question. Its like hes a robot with 10 pre-programmed responses and he just plays the same respone everytime.
Anyone: "Mr Prime Minister: Will you sit before and answer questions to the committee regarding this matter:
JT: "Our government will continue to support the opportunity for hard working Canadians to keep their jobs"
Anyone: "Mr Prime Minister: Can you answer yes or no, did you ever contact the former AG?"
JT: "Our government will continue to support the opportunity for hard working Canadians to keep their jobs"
Anyone: Mr Prime Minister: Can you pick a number between 1 and 10"
JT: "Our government will continue to support the opportunity for hard working Canadians to keep their jobs"
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I used to work at SNC Lavalin during the Vancouver RAV line construction. I surfed a lot of porn and took 30 min shits every day.
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7seven: I really can't stand all these idiots who hit the gym now just because they watched 300 and want to be like a spartan. Case in point, this skinny guy comes into the gym the other day, must have only weighed ~ 140lbs, loads on 2 plates on the bench rack, mutters to himself, for sparta, unracks the barbell and proceeds to drop it directly on his chest.
I'd have to disagree with most of what you've written here, Mike.
To me, the issue that crossed the line is -- what JT, Gerry Butts, Morneau, PMO, and others have done here effectively amounts to the obstruction of justice. In a society governed by the rule of law, this is a very serious charge.
It is one thing for JT and his cronies to disagree with JWR. It is quite another to repeatedly "persuade" her over an extended period (of 4 months) in attempt to alter her decision as AG.
As the opposition party that stands to gain the most out of the situation, of course the Cons are jumping up and down and up in arms about it. It is political theatrics -- that is quite easy to see through. But people should be legitimately upset about this because an attempt has been made to breach a core value that Canada should believe in. It doesn't matter if it was the Liberals, Cons, NDP, or Greens doing it.
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The more I read about this whole SNC Lavalin "controversy" the more I'm laughing at Conservatives that are up in arms about the whole thing.
Let me get this straight. The Conservative party, and Conservatives for that matter are supposed to be pro jobs, pro business. Their very philosophy is the economy and jobs over everything else. SNC Lavalin employs something like 8000 workers in Canada, they are the largest construction firm in Canada.
I am no fan of crony capitalism in the slightest, I think that's pretty clear here. SNC Lavalin is appointed on a wide range of government projects, criminal proceedings against the company would've cost them potentially billions, as well as risking numerous jobs.
Do any Conservatives here really think Andrew Scheer wouldn't have done the same? If the economy is shit, you blame Trudeau, when he supposedly does something to protect the economy and jobs, you call him trash.
Once again, I'm not a fan of Trudeau, but how the hell do you want it?
Let's just call this what it is, a nothing burger. The people who have a problem with this never liked Trudeau in the first place, and are grasping for straws due to their distaste for his snow flaking "political correctness".
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At the same time?
Where else would I get the TP to clean up?
But just to stay on topic JWR, who is a lawyer and under consultation with a former Supreme Court judge stated that the actions were NOT criminal and NOT illegal. So the obstruction of justice is just a narrative that some people wanna jump on.
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7seven: I really can't stand all these idiots who hit the gym now just because they watched 300 and want to be like a spartan. Case in point, this skinny guy comes into the gym the other day, must have only weighed ~ 140lbs, loads on 2 plates on the bench rack, mutters to himself, for sparta, unracks the barbell and proceeds to drop it directly on his chest.
But just to stay on topic JWR, who is a lawyer and under consultation with a former Supreme Court judge stated that the actions were NOT criminal and NOT illegal. So the obstruction of justice is just a narrative that some people wanna jump on.
I agree that despite everything JT and co. has done, it is difficult / impossible to show their actions are illegal. However, it was definitely completely inappropriate, and that puts it somewhere in the gray area between regular persuasion and obstruction of justice.
JT & co. doesn't need to do something criminal or illegal for the general public to judge him in the court of public opinion. I'd say that out of all his blunders since becoming PM, the current scandal is definitely the most serious and damaging event in his political career.
Trump is a real politician?
Also, Megan Markle is an actress.
Angela Merkel is a politician.
Markle is a representative of the Royal Family and well known for her fashion sense. My point is that you can take a girl from a questionable upbringing and throw her on the world scene, and even she has more sense than JT.
Also, Merkel is a sea cow who happens to speak German.
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When has one seen Trump wear anything that wasn't a navy or black suit? LOL.
Exactly. Even the dotard who triggers you incessantly knows that when you're visiting with foreign dignitaries, that is not the time to play dress-up. It was embarrassing for us as a country.
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My god, I'm still laughing that Trudeau dressing up in Indian garb was his biggest scandal thus far, fuck who cares already, move on.
What about when they were haranguing with a known criminal on the same trip, Jaspal Atwal. This is a guy who tried to kill Ujjal Dosanjh!
Sophie Gregoire took the fall for that one. For a feminist, JT really doesn't support his women...
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There are politicians in the states dressing in black face, and we're complaining about a politician placating to the local populace on a visit?
Hey fucktard, there is a US politics thread for you to whine in if you want to talk about that.
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The more I read about this whole SNC Lavalin "controversy" the more I'm laughing at Conservatives that are up in arms about the whole thing.
I agree with the CPC. This is a real problem as we're viewed on the world scene. You're probably just some kid, but I remember a time when Canadians were welcomed to Asia and Europe. When you could put a Canadian flag on your backpack and have dinners bought for you in places like Brussels and Munich. Between our canoodling with the Ghaddafis and our treatment of Huawai execs, those times are changing.
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Let me get this straight. The Conservative party, and Conservatives for that matter are supposed to be pro jobs, pro business. Their very philosophy is the economy and jobs over everything else. SNC Lavalin employs something like 8000 workers in Canada, they are the largest construction firm in Canada.
I am no fan of crony capitalism in the slightest, I think that's pretty clear here. SNC Lavalin is appointed on a wide range of government projects, criminal proceedings against the company would've cost them potentially billions, as well as risking numerous jobs.
Many industry analysts have said that the fallout wouldn't be as bad as JT is making it out to be. Not all 9000 jobs are going to go. In fact, with the typical timeline of a court case, chances are SNC would be able to complete the many projects they have on the go. SNC Canadian business is tiny compared to their global business.
Did you know that SNC Lavalin has over 50,000 global employees?
They have 8732 employees in Canada, while many of them are foriegners contracted from outside of the country.
But hey, JT gots to save dem Canadian jobs...
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Do any Conservatives here really think Andrew Scheer wouldn't have done the same? If the economy is shit, you blame Trudeau, when he supposedly does something to protect the economy and jobs, you call him trash.
Ugh, hyperbole.
Do you have any actual facts?
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Once again, I'm not a fan of Trudeau, but how the hell do you want it?
Let's just call this what it is, a nothing burger. The people who have a problem with this never liked Trudeau in the first place, and are grasping for straws due to their distaste for his snow flaking "political correctness".
Just be honest about it .
I have no idea what you're trying to say. It's like CIC took over your keyboard.
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