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Guy probably hates Trudeau and is going to use it to make a point.
“I get fired for blackface and he doesn’t?!”
Either that or it literally had nothing to do with blackface and he’s going as something stupid like a tire.
If it WAS part of something "innocent". As a teacher, in a public facing role, in the year 2021... at no point when they were literally applying black paint to their face should the thought go "hmm... maybe this is a bad idea"?
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People are fucking stupid man. But I’d say the outrage at a guy going as a tire being racist is as stupid as the guy who put the face paint on.
Context matters.
Intent matters.
Again though, I’m only throwing hypotheticals out there. It’s all fuckin stupid.
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B.C. Premier John Horgan has announced the lump he discovered in his throat a few months ago is cancer.
Horgan underwent surgery and a biopsy last Friday. In a statement Thursday, he says the pathology confirmed the growth in his throat is cancerous.
“My prognosis is good and I expect to make a full recovery,” Horgan said.
He is set to begin radiation treatment in the coming weeks, during which time he says he will participate in meetings and briefings virtually.
Minister Mike Farnworth, who was appointed deputy premier last week, will attend any in-person commitments, while other cabinet ministers may also attend in his absence.
Wishing him the best, I appreciate how he is open about it and letting the public know of every step along the way. I think he is going to win a lot of hearts by being honest and real about a struggle that touches SO many people.
B.C. Premier John Horgan has announced the lump he discovered in his throat a few months ago is cancer.
Horgan underwent surgery and a biopsy last Friday. In a statement Thursday, he says the pathology confirmed the growth in his throat is cancerous.
“My prognosis is good and I expect to make a full recovery,” Horgan said.
He is set to begin radiation treatment in the coming weeks, during which time he says he will participate in meetings and briefings virtually.
Minister Mike Farnworth, who was appointed deputy premier last week, will attend any in-person commitments, while other cabinet ministers may also attend in his absence.
Hope he has a quick recovery....
i know its bad, but him cancelling the kamloops cancer centre...this just seems like bad karma
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It’s one thing to remove statues etc. that can trigger people and are prominently displayed in public view, but to start stripping museums of entire displays rather than putting a disclaimer or building a section to explain the section further would seem more fitting..
When you start doing shit like this you’re literally just burying the past..not educating people on it
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yeah i think i agree with you there, displaying the past is not the same as glorifying it. it would be if it were a monument in the middle of the city but not in a museum.
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4 years ago when my Audi was being serviced.
In all those decades the exhibit has not changed but way we look at colonization has. History has always been taught from the winners point of view. Maybe it's time for that to change.
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^ so that’s sonthing I kind of thought of after writing the post..the exhibit is old af.. I’m the same as you I went there numerous times and it’s been the same since. Wife and I went to the museum probably 3-4 years ago on a trip to Victoria and it was the same as when I went in grade 7’m
So I don’t know if it’s just this daily hive article or how much they are reflecting the museums true intentions. However, as I said, this is the history of this land, this is what happened. If Colonization is such a heinous thing and there is this endless narrative of “learning from the past” deleting it from memory doesn’t really serve a purpose.
If they are going to scale down that portion of the museum or change it to reflect modern opinions of the times, sure. But if they are just going to remove the entire thing in favour of new installations and not recognize the colonization portion of BC’s history, I think it’s a huge disservice to a “history” museum
I get colonization is this trigger for people and fair enough. However, it’s kind of the reason most people are here? Lol.. like the story as to how this place became a thing isn’t important enough to be told?
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reminds me of this Nazi museum somewhere. It had all these Nazi Germany items on display and showed how the party gained power and the horrible things they did during WW2.
It's these places that should still exist so future generations can learn and reflect about the
human history of our world through these events even if they are negative.
Yah 2 most sobering places I’ve ever been to in my life were the Auschwitz death camp in Poland and the Hiroshima nuclear bomb museum… if you can walk out of either place with anything resembling a smile on your face there’s something deeply wrong with you.
My buddy and I didn’t even say a word to each other for like 2 hours after we left Auschwitz…
^ so that’s sonthing I kind of thought of after writing the post..the exhibit is old af.. I’m the same as you I went there numerous times and it’s been the same since. Wife and I went to the museum probably 3-4 years ago on a trip to Victoria and it was the same as when I went in grade 7’m
So I don’t know if it’s just this daily hive article or how much they are reflecting the museums true intentions. However, as I said, this is the history of this land, this is what happened. If Colonization is such a heinous thing and there is this endless narrative of “learning from the past” deleting it from memory doesn’t really serve a purpose.
If they are going to scale down that portion of the museum or change it to reflect modern opinions of the times, sure. But if they are just going to remove the entire thing in favour of new installations and not recognize the colonization portion of BC’s history, I think it’s a huge disservice to a “history” museum
I get colonization is this trigger for people and fair enough. However, it’s kind of the reason most people are here? Lol.. like the story as to how this place became a thing isn’t important enough to be told?
I heard they are not simply replacing the exhibit but updating/expanding it to reflect more current viewpoints.
The reality is the current exhibit does not accurately reflect the history of this province. It should - for better or worse. What's the point in teaching a false historical narrative?
As has been pointed out already - it's due for a rework regardless.
EDIT: I've been to the Hiroshima ground zero exhibit also. Very sobering. I've also been through the imperial war museum in London a few times. These places aren't really supposed to make you feel good, and buy souvenir t-shirts. These are places to reflect on the past, and ideally help to frame modern viewpoints.
Yah 2 most sobering places I’ve ever been to in my life were the Auschwitz death camp in Poland and the Hiroshima nuclear bomb museum… if you can walk out of either place with anything resembling a smile on your face there’s something deeply wrong with you.
My buddy and I didn’t even say a word to each other for like 2 hours after we left Auschwitz…
Yeah there and Birkenau were sobering reminders of just how brutal we can be to each other. This is partly why I find it disgusting when far-right supporters of late compare COVID rules to Nazi Germany. They have no clue how egregiously ignorant they sound.
My initial reaction was similar to honda's... I have so many great memories of going to that museum, and they all came flooding in when I saw those pictures. I enjoyed the colony exhibits for their immersion, and the museum also sparked fascination with Native culture and art at a young age.
However, I think some of those displays to lean towards 'glorification' and could be updated. Maybe that's too strong of a word, but I think you guys can get where I'm coming from.
It shouldn't be fun to ride on a ship where the intent was to take over the land from the people already there, and treat them worse than animals for a century.
But being able to walk through replicas of early towns, logging and mining, was such an important part of the experience. I hope they're able to replace it with something similarly fascinating and mentally stimulating. I hope it can be just as immersive without being so 'fun'
However, as I said, this is the history of this land, this is what happened. If Colonization is such a heinous thing and there is this endless narrative of “learning from the past” deleting it from memory doesn’t really serve a purpose.
If they are going to scale down that portion of the museum or change it to reflect modern opinions of the times, sure.
From my understanding of the article, that's what they're planning to do
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“As part of our work to implement modernized museum practices, in particular our efforts around decolonization, we will be closing the third-floor so we can decant our galleries. This is necessary to begin the long-term work of creating new narratives that include under-represented voices and reflect the lived experiences and contemporary stories of the people in BC.”
Since it sounds like it's been largely unchanged since 1967, I'm going to guess there's not a lot of accurate First Nations history included in there currently.
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just took my family there this summer, may take them again to see the updated version.
last updated 1967? i wasn't surprised hearing it, it looked dated
It's kind of funny that I've done work in that building for years. Crawled all through the attics, service rooms, and basement tunnels yet I've never actually visited as a customer.
Visited for the first time as an Adult this summer. It was an interesting museum and they had a cool temporary exhibit about Orcas. But so many Canadian museums across the country just have this kinda formulaic layout where they have a whole gallery dedicated to "natural history" - basically a collection of taxidermied animals and another gallery dedicated to "First Peoples" where they display FN artifacts a lot of times out of context.
That being said, I found the most memorable part of the museum was the late-1800s simulated town but now it seems like that's on the way out. Hopefully they can rebuild something as or more engaging. Things change - remember museums used to just be stuffy old rooms full of creaky drawers and stuffed dead animals.
Yah 2 most sobering places I’ve ever been to in my life were the Auschwitz death camp in Poland and the Hiroshima nuclear bomb museum… if you can walk out of either place with anything resembling a smile on your face there’s something deeply wrong with you.
My buddy and I didn’t even say a word to each other for like 2 hours after we left Auschwitz…
It's so true, i went to Israel; Yad Vashem. The World Holocaust Remembrance Center.
They had a part which audio were being played among the pictures and it was bone chilling to feel the saddness. People didn't talk for 1-2 hours just to get their hearts settled.
THEN I saw these gentleman in his 60s and a lady in her late 50s (in our tour group), RUSHING thru the museum so they can get to the cafeteria JUST to use the WIFI. WTFFFFF. *It took me 2 hrs just to see 1/2 the place, they spend 15 mins and off they go....
^ Dude I was standing in the gas chamber at Auschwitz and a tour group from China was there laughing and taking photos with flash on, some manager had to go up and tell their leader to have some respect for the dead and quiet down.
Then later on there’s a brick wall full of bullet holes where they lined people up to execute them and they’re posing for photos against the wall in poses like they’re pretending to get shot… just fuckin gross behaviour.
There is a big debate that seems to be going on right now with the concentration camps turning into this mass tourism stop, a few different travel vloggers I watch have been told
The same thing by your guides there
When you get a disgusting group from china where Auschwitzs is their 4th stop of the day on a guided tour bus tour, no one respects the trip compared to the individual that found their own way there with the intent to see the camp for what it is
I went to Sachsenhausen near Berlin, the only camp I’ve been to but it was enough. Still stirs sonthing up in me thinking about it from time to time and that was back in 2017. I’ve also been to the holocaust museum at the London war museum and a few different random ones I’ve stumbled across, all very humbling. One of the most humbling ones I’ve actually seen was this tiny little one in this random park in Portland. It was just a concrete slab with a few quotes and some bronzed shoes and luggage on the ground but man, it was powerful
Next September we have a Europe trip planned where we will be in Munich which is a short drive to Dachau. I have no interest in going to another camp as a tourist. If I’m ever in Poland I’ll go to Auschwitzs but going to any other ones, I’ve had my fill.
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Another article that is making the waves in the media today (with a huge comment thread on r/Canada) is a survey depicting the generational chasm between those 41+ and those under the age of 40:
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