Canadian politics thread

[68style]

Originally Posted by Manic!

It's not even close to perfect but better than nothing. What have the cons put forward?

Don't care, would never vote Conservative... they put lot of my friends out of work last time they were in

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by sdubfid

I think hondaracer is saying if you voted for ndp you expect ndp (not ndp/liberal combo). Same thing if you marry a woman but then find out she is sleeping with her brother then you wouldn’t have married her.

But at the end of the day your one vote for green/blue/orange/red really have minimal impact on your life. Reading books and applying that knowledge is far more powerful than ticking a box on a piece of paper expecting that a bloated out of touch political party thousands of kilometres away has your best interest.

I don't think a lot of people care. My parents voted NDP last election and Liberal before. A number of years back there where rumors of an NDP Liberal merger. Parties working together like this is pretty common in Many countries. What really matters is the end result.

[Manic!]

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Manic!

I don't think a lot of people care. My parents voted NDP last election and Liberal before. A number of years back there where rumors of an NDP Liberal merger. Parties working together like this is pretty common in Many countries. What really matters is the end result.

That’s very socialist of you.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by westopher

They didn’t have their lights on. Does that change any of what I said about the drinking.

Yes, a pretty serious thing to fail to do out on the water in the middle of the night, and the primary reason why she was found not guilty. I mean, if you don't have any boating experience I can understand the ignorance in overlooking this fact.

What’s a shit fucking idea is to slam some drinks while you’re waiting for the police to show up after a motor vehicle accident, unless you’re trying to hide how many drinks you had before the accident.

She blew a warn when police tested her. Blowing a warn is not a criminal offence. If her plan was to get drunk at home to mask earlier drinking, she didn't do a very good job.

I hate rich douchebags as much as the next person, but at least get your facts straight.

[westopher]

You don’t blow a warn with half a glass of wine several hours earlier, so was she lying or not? I could be riding a donkey down sea2sky wearing all black at midnight and the amount of drinks someone had before they hit me wouldn’t change.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by westopher

You don’t blow a warn with half a glass of wine several hours earlier, so was she lying or not?

The accident happened at 11:30pm and she was screened at 1:12am by the cops. In that one hour and 45minute period, she had that drink. If she knew she was plastered, why the fuck would she purposefully drink more and further risk blowing over?

Unless you work to some different level of logic than the rest of the world?

I mean you can also ignore the paramedic who testified that he made no observations of the effects alcohol when he attended.

Or maybe the actual trial judge's finding:


"Judge Humphrey said court concluded that alcohol “played no part” in relating to the charge that Linda O’Leary faced."

I could be riding a donkey down sea2sky wearing all black at midnight and the amount of drinks someone had before they hit me wouldn’t change.

Now that it was legally decided that alcohol didn't play a part in the accident, yes it matters very much that the other boat didn't have lights on. Not to mention that boat's passengers actually lied about turning their lights off, as proven with the video evidence. In fact they were the ones not operating their boat with care.

But, you know keep figuring you know a story just by reading the headlines and thinking "fuck right people".

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

That’s very socialist of you.

How did you feel about the reform party and the Canadian alliance party merging to mak e the con party or the wild rose party in Alberta merging with the Progressive Conservatives to form the UPC?

[westopher]

I’m not sure if you are just glossing over the fact I’ve never once said the other party isn’t to blame, at least partially for the accident. I don’t know if you’ve never had a drink in your life but it’s pretty easy to understand a half of a glass of wine at dinner doesn’t register on a fucking breathalyzer at 1:12am. Findings, trials, legality, etc have no bearing on the fact that I assume since she is alive, she has a liver, and therefore there had to have been lies involved. I didn’t say those lies were a legally binding guarantee of guilt, and I didn’t say it based on political affiliation, as if I did, I wouldn’t be saying the same thing about the cop who’s affiliation I have no idea of.
You can believe everything has to do with political identity if you feel like it, but I’d be saying the same thing about trudeaus wife if that’s what happened.
Again, if I smashed a fucking boat and was waiting for the cops to show up, I wouldn’t pour myself a drink, but I guess that’s different logic than the rest of the world. Big brain energy to crush a pint while you wait after a car accident if you smoke someone.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Manic!

How did you feel about the reform party and the Canadian alliance party merging to mak e the con party or the wild rose party in Alberta merging with the Progressive Conservatives to form the UPC?

Those times might as well be 70 years ago. It’s a completely different world today.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Those times might as well be 70 years ago. It’s a completely different world today.

The UCP merger happened in 2017.

With the NDP lib agreement we have stability for 3 years. Or would you like to have another election right now?

[Hondaracer]

Whatever would happen is probably preferable over the current situation.

You couldn’t get a country more divided, or worse off financially if you tried

This goes back longggg ago before Harper or Trudeau but it’s pretty sad when you look at the current state of Norway with their nationalized oil. Most articles you can dig up peg their inflation at 3% or so, things seem pretty good, stable etc.

And here we sold our soul to private giants and now the liberals have a 10-20 billion dollar pipeline on their hands with almost nothing to show for it.

[westopher]

You think the country would be less divided if the cons were in power? We’d just keep the fucked up economy and have the same arguments. Canada has been selling itself to corporations and foreign investors. We learned from the best, our big brother down south.
A few years from now we will be worse off, cons or libs or NDP. It takes decades to create problems of this magnitude.

[Hondaracer]

The “housing crisis” happened exclusively under Trudeau. 300-400% increases in home values while the liberals were just blinded by the dollar signs?

You can blame other regimes for things but eventually when like, everything is falling on the party in power and it’s this culminating shit storm, you can’t just keep saying it was the previous guys!

No one can say the country was this divided under Harper, it simply wasn’t.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Whatever would happen is probably preferable over the current situation.

You couldn’t get a country more divided, or worse off financially if you tried

This goes back longggg ago before Harper or Trudeau but it’s pretty sad when you look at the current state of Norway with their nationalized oil. Most articles you can dig up peg their inflation at 3% or so, things seem pretty good, stable etc.

And here we sold our soul to private giants and now the liberals have a 10-20 billion dollar pipeline on their hands with almost nothing to show for it.

The Conservative government of Prime Minister Brian Mulroney introduced legislation on Oct. 1 saying the first 15 percent of the Petro-Canada will go on sale once market conditions are right. It plans to sell all of Petro-Canada eventually. It just wants to do it one piece at a time, as it did with Air Canada. The government sold the airline in two lots.

So you want nationalized oil? I thought you didn't like socialism?

[Hondaracer]

Nationalizing resources isn’t handing out dental Plans for people who don’t want to work.

I’m not part of this right wing trope where I think everything would be better for me if the cons were in power. All I’d like is some reasonable policies on crime, logical policies on firearms, addressing the opioid epidemic, and some sort of plan to actually put money in peoples pockets as opposed to pulling it out.

We don’t have that though, we have Justin trotting around Ukraine trying to play some sort of quasi superhero role with Freeland at his heels snorting amphetamines lapping up his bullshit.

The whole gun thing is a pretty good metaphor for his entire time in office.

Legal gun owners, hunters, sportsman etc. - “Absolutely punish illegal firearm possession to the full extent, do whatever you need to do, you’re found with an illegal handgun which obviously has malicious intent, lock them up for 10 years”

Turd - Yea so we’re going to ban these guns that were never used in any sort of crimes, we are also going to restrict the sale of these firearms that look scary, but we don’t really understand the difference between looks and function so some will be and some won’t be

Legal gun owners - please investigate the import of illegal firearms, please release the details into the Nova Scotia massacre so we can avoid this in the future and prevent it

Turd - yea so we’re actually going to reimplement the long gun registry (which we said we never would btw) in a way we avoid having to take this to the parliament. This will make Canada safer

Legal gun owners - sorry, how does this make anyone safer?

Turd - Anyways, Ukraine, reconciliation, bad truckers.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The “housing crisis” happened exclusively under Trudeau. 300-400% increases in home values while the liberals were just blinded by the dollar signs?

You can blame other regimes for things but eventually when like, everything is falling on the party in power and it’s this culminating shit storm, you can’t just keep saying it was the previous guys!

No one can say the country was this divided under Harper, it simply wasn’t.

And it just happens that basically every other developed country on the planet has their own version of the same issues? The increased costs of living? The out of control capitalism and giant corporations fucking everyone? Division between left and right? If you think this is a Canada problem it’s because you aren’t paying attention to anything or anyone than the person you feel like blaming for it.

[GLOW]

i'm not a gun person or know anything about guns other than me playing call of duty...

just thinking out loud here though...so if you ban certain guns bad people may use or look scary or that can cause great damage, won't those same bad people just choose whatever guns are left available to them and you still have pewpewpew? so isn't it better to vet access to guns period than supply of guns? /shrug

[Hondaracer]

The guns used in the vast majority of crimes are not from law abiding citizens. You cannot buy the guns used in crimes ie. handguns, high capacity semi automatics etc. without going through the proper avenues regardless. Those firearms also cannot be transported anywhere but to the range and home. As in the nova Scotia shooter situation the liberals tried very hard to bury the information that pretty much all the firearms used were illegally imported from the states. Guns that you cannot buy in Canada period.

So when the guy rolling around with no licence and an unregistered handgun is arrested and released the same day, that involves MULTIPLE federal offences. Yet it results in a slap on the wrist and no long term penalty. A situation no legal, law abiding owner would ever be in.

The whole firearms thing doesn’t effect me at all really as I don’t have any plan to purchase more, or any sell I have. However it just underlines how oblivious the govt. is to addressing the actual root causes of problems instead of the non-stop window dressing they use for almost every issue

[68style]

The housing crisis happened under Trudeau???

That shit started in the late 1990's, the foundation was set back then... actually, you could argue it's from even earlier... because for all intents and purposes, Vancouver wasn't on anyone's mind in the rest of the world until Expo 86 happened... and until people in HK got afraid of China (the first time) and came over in droves... realized they could buy mansions for the price of their shoebox in HK and spread the word. The feds never made it difficult enough to buy remotely, Canada is an extremely naive country. Maybe MULRONEY should have done something in the 80's??? He was in power a loooooooooong ass time. Chretien also had a lot of opportunity to curb that shit.

I vividly remember my friend buying a Richmond townhouse at the corner of Railway and Granville in 2000 for $149,000 and my dad saying "Holy shit that's the same price I paid for my house in 1985" and 3 years later in 2003 I bought a 2 bedroom condo on pre-sale at Garden City and Alderbridge for $254,900 and my friend sold his townhouse for almost $400,000.

So between 2000 and 2003 prices almost tripled! Then they went up another 30% between 2003 and 2006 because I sold my $254,900 condo for $368,000 in 2006.

But yes, it's Trudeau's fault LOL............... he was too busy (allegedly) groping female reporters at music festivals in 2000 bro

[Hondaracer]

There is a HUGE difference between going from 50 to 150 and 400 to 2 million.

I track a lot of sales I see walking etc. and the period of the 90’s through late 2000’s saw very minimal growth, places that sold for 60k in the early 90’s were selling for 180-200 in the mid 2000’s

From 2015 to today, I’ve seen a tonne of sales that were 250/300k that are now touching 2 million. Wages relative to prices is the biggest factor. Those increases were seen in a handful of years, not decades.

[68style]

Bullshit, there's nothing that was selling for 250-300k in 2015 that's $2M now.

I bought a condo again in 2011 for $368k and it's worth $520ish-k now.

I'm surrounded by townhouses that were $600k in 2011 and they're $1.1-ish right now.

All central Richmond.

The most rapid growth BY FAR happened between 2000 and 2010ish

It was flat from 2011 to 2017 or so... then started ramping up again.

Prices quintupled between 2000 and 2010.

Prices less than doubled between 2011 and 2023. Doubling in 10 years is still shitty as fuck... but to say it's been worse in recent years than it was before defies any math available. Worse in the final price yes, but the growth relative to previous years hell no.

[Hondaracer]

Here’s a couple nice Trudeau specials

[westopher]

I wonder if Trudeau increased the home prices in SF 20% since the start of the year too?

[Hondaracer]

Every major metro area in Canada saw similar gains. The same can’t be said about the states.

Apples and oranges but if you want to bring up SF I’d say it’s relevant

Again, you can say whatever you want it was other peoples fault etc. but it all happened under the current liberals. My own place doubled in value and I got it right after Trudeau got elected. It went from being a stretch for two well paid professionals to being completely out of reach for 2 doctors in a matter of 6 years.

The way you guys are talking though I guess it’s just not a big deal? No problem