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Gumby 10-28-2022 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9080168)
Well.. that was quick:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/1...vince-support/

“Not hosting the games is 10 steps back in reconciliation”

Andddd.. ya lost me

First off, I agree with the government’s decision to not support the Olympic bid.

But your quote is totally inaccurate. One of the chiefs said “for me, this is 10 steps backward in reconciliation”. She’s referring to the process in which they were informed the bid would not be supported, not the decision itself. Apparently they were informed over a Zoom call, which to some can be seen as disrespectful.

68style 10-31-2022 07:35 AM

Should they have held a ceremony?

Sent a signed letter by carrier pigeon?

They seem more angry that they feel the province didn’t really consider it seriously, that’s my take on the article.

And, well, given the corruption of the Olympic Games and economic state of the world I wouldn’t have considered it seriously either…

They're just mad cuz them and their buddies won’t get unjustly enriched at the detriment of everyone else living here, which is, ironically, exactly what they’re opposed against in the first place.

Hondaracer 11-01-2022 12:30 PM

So a guy caught with $400,000 worth of Drugs, after a MONTH LONG, multi-province investigation is caught, and then instantly released:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/1...r-man-charged/

wHy iS thErE a dRuG cRIsIS?!?

Like was kinda half joking before about why not commit crimes but 100% there’s no repercussions for your actions here. In the R/E thread we talk about how to move up/become a “success” start breaking into peoples homes.. what’s the worst that could happen? You spend 10 minutes in a police cruiser?

Manic! 11-01-2022 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9080436)
So a guy caught with $400,000 worth of Drugs, after a MONTH LONG, multi-province investigation is caught, and then instantly released:

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/1...r-man-charged/

wHy iS thErE a dRuG cRIsIS?!?

Like was kinda half joking before about why not commit crimes but 100% there’s no repercussions for your actions here. In the R/E thread we talk about how to move up/become a “success” start breaking into peoples homes.. what’s the worst that could happen? You spend 10 minutes in a police cruiser?

innocent until proven guilty. He still has to go to court. If he is found guilty he will go to jail. If the judge thought he was a threat to society he would be in jail.

Traum 11-01-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9080469)
innocent until proven guilty. He still has to go to court. If he is found guilty he will go to jail. If the judge thought he was a threat to society he would be in jail.

My counter-argument here is -- given how the guy has been caught with a massive amount of drugs, and how deadly the current fentanyl is proven to be, having him out on the street would constitute a danger to society.

With a court date scheduled only being less than 10 days away, I don't see anything wrong with holding him in custody until his court date.

Great68 11-01-2022 07:12 PM

I'm far less concerned with a non-violent person peddling drugs as I am with someone with a rap sheet for violent attacks, especially if they're unprovoked/random.

People can avoid the former by simply not taking drugs. Who knows if you're unlucky and run into the latter on a bad day, one day.

Traum 11-01-2022 10:21 PM

As a pragmatist, I would have to disagree with the portion that I've highlight, and I have actually written a big long blurb just now as my reasons. But alas, let's just leave it as "I can't agree with that".
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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9080487)
I'm far less concerned with a non-violent person peddling drugs as I am with someone with a rap sheet for violent attacks, especially if they're unprovoked/random.

People can avoid the former by simply not taking drugs. Who knows if you're unlucky and run into the latter on a bad day, one day.


Hondaracer 11-02-2022 12:57 AM

$400,000 worth of fentanyl, promoting a drug crisis more deadly than Covid

Eehhh whatevs! Hehe

We live in a country where it’s a more severe, immediate punishment to not disclose your vaccination status than it is to be smuggling hundreds of thousands of dollars of the worst drugs imaginable across provincial borders! Hahahaha we are a fucking joke!

Serious question, is there another country on earth where this would happen? You’re caught red handed with 400,000 worth of drugs and you’re instantly released?

Manic! 11-02-2022 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9080510)
$400,000 worth of fentanyl, promoting a drug crisis more deadly than Covid

Eehhh whatevs! Hehe

We live in a country where it’s a more severe, immediate punishment to not disclose your vaccination status than it is to be smuggling hundreds of thousands of dollars of the worst drugs imaginable across provincial borders! Hahahaha we are a fucking joke!

So you think the police should be able to lock any one up for months before going to court? Also there should be conditions on his release. I doubt he can leave the county.

westopher 11-02-2022 06:17 AM

Ahhhhh yes all those people rotting in Canadian prisons waiting for trial that didn’t disclose their vaccination status. Maybe that’s why we don’t have the room to detain the violent criminals and drug dealers?

Great68 11-02-2022 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9080511)
So you think the police should be able to lock any one up for months before going to court? Also there should be conditions on his release. I doubt he can leave the county.

USA style bail system! we all know that works SO well!


Hondaracer 11-02-2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9080514)
Ahhhhh yes all those people rotting in Canadian prisons waiting for trial that didn’t disclose their vaccination status. Maybe that’s why we don’t have the room to detain the violent criminals and drug dealers?

Didn’t answer my question.

Is there anywhere in the world besides Canada this person would be released instantly upon arrest?

And lol @ “I doubt he can leave the country” yea no shit. What he is doing in the meantime is I’m sure giving as much information as possible to whatever group he’s associated with so they can avoid future seizures.

So someone with a loaded handgun in their vehicle should just be released instantly because there’s no way they could possibly be up to something nefarious, the gun of course must have fell from a window, the lawyers will surely sort it out.

I don’t know what cloud you guys are living on but Jesus Christ count me out.

underscore 11-02-2022 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9080487)
I'm far less concerned with a non-violent person peddling drugs as I am with someone with a rap sheet for violent attacks, especially if they're unprovoked/random.

If the dude was just a mule maybe, but the gangs moving large quantities are hardly non-violent.

Great68 11-02-2022 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9080523)
If the dude was just a mule maybe, but the gangs moving large quantities are hardly non-violent.

I feel like I don't have to worry about high level drug dealers randomly assaulting me while I'm walking around downtown...

westopher 11-02-2022 08:01 AM

Honda I don’t agree with him being released either, just making a point that when you use comparisons like that maybe they shouldn’t just be completely made up?
America is probably a pretty good example of how people end up out on bail for serious crimes while awaiting trial, you just have to be wealthier probably.

underscore 11-02-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9080525)
I feel like I don't have to worry about high level drug dealers randomly assaulting me while I'm walking around downtown...

That's an interesting metric to use. I don't have to worry about drunk drivers in Prince Rupert crashing into me but I still think they should be arrested.

mikemhg 11-02-2022 12:49 PM

If you really want to know how corrupt our legal system is for some folks, look no further then this guy:

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/n...nada-1.5782329

If you read about his (John Philip Stirling) criminal history smuggling Meth/Fent into Canada for decades, you'd think he had a horseshoe up his ass.

Really it's just he's a highly connected HA member which the RCMP has shown they will happily turn a blind eye on (being an "informant" must be nice).

The irony is that it took the Americans to finally put this guy in jail -- something the RCMP conveniently avoided doing.

Needless to say he's now back in Canada, likely continuing his smuggling business.

Great68 11-02-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9080548)
That's an interesting metric to use. I don't have to worry about drunk drivers in Prince Rupert crashing into me but I still think they should be arrested.


I thought we were talking about pre-trial detention here?

Who said anything about people not being arrested?

underscore 11-02-2022 02:08 PM

My point is that they're still a risk to somebody. Just because it isn't you, that seems like an odd reason to be fine with them being out.

Great68 11-02-2022 02:17 PM

Your point makes no sense to what we're discussing here.

We're discussing pre-trial detention of chronic violent offenders, (or the current lack of discretion thereof).

If someone has a history of repeated drunk driving offences, and can be proven to be a threat to public safety, ie they're going to go out and drive drunk again during that period where they are charged but await trial, then by all means, they should be kept in detention. That IS a threat to me, I could be on that road.

Manic! 11-03-2022 02:03 PM

Federal government just made students loans intrest free. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/inve...eeland-fiscal/

Hehe 11-04-2022 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9080675)
Federal government just made students loans intrest free. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/inve...eeland-fiscal/

While I'm not opposing this as I think it has its merits, but this is clearly another example that our gov't is always acting reactively and have no plan for the future whatsoever.

The idea to lower the cost of higher education is so that people are motivated to get higher education.

Where the fuck were you when we were at low-interest rate time? Should the gov't budgeted this during low-interest time, it could have saved billions for Canadian taxpayers. But no... our interest rate is increasing at the fastest rate in recent history and inflation through the roof.. yes, a great time to make student loan interest free. A time where many have to decide between whether to bring food to the table or pay for mortgage/rent... what a fucking great time to pursue higher education.:pokerface::rukidding:

westopher 11-04-2022 05:34 PM

So are you saying better never than late? Because it sounds like it.

Manic! 11-04-2022 05:40 PM

PP had no problem supporting the freedumb convoy but when teachers in Ontario protest it's a different story.

https://i.redd.it/fdgovfpzwxx91.jpg

Hehe 11-04-2022 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9080821)
So are you saying better never than late? Because it sounds like it.

no. I'm saying that if they budgeted this when interest rate was low... cost (interest to finance the transaction) would be much lower.

To put this into perspective, it's like finally buying into AMZN when it hit 3000 (150 post-split) and hold the bag now on margin.

Now the asset is worth less (less people likely to take advantage of tax free loan to get higher education), and the rate is much higher (cost a lot more to taxpayers).


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