Canadian politics thread

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I think even liberal supporters have had enough of this wackiness.

Now they will jump ship as per usual and we’ll have a conservative majority and people can go back to bitching about that.

Dunno what the future holds for democratic societies but doesn’t seem like shits working too well

No matter how shitty the liberals do, most of the left leaning voters won't vote for a party that allows members like the conservatives do. There's more ABC voters in canada than conservative voters, and until they can join the 21st century, it will remain that way.

[Hondaracer]

We’ll see

[westopher]

You really want to put some 2025 bets down I'm in. It will be here before you know it.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by westopher

Cons need to oust the nutcases to the PPC if they want a chance.

I agree that's what they need to do, but then you come back to the question -- do they take PeePee with him to PPC, or does he get left behind in the Cons? Cuz as quick-witted as he is, he is also a borderline nutcase, and could comfortably fit in at PPC as well.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

You really want to put some 2025 bets down I'm in. It will be here before you know it.

Feel like I’ve lost enough political bets as is.. maybe closer to the date lol

[westopher]

It will be something not so painful haha. Bottle of scotch? Something nice, but not "I drink this while sitting in my garage while looking at my gt3RS nice"

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Traum

I agree that's what they need to do, but then you come back to the question -- do they take PeePee with him to PPC, or does he get left behind in the Cons? Cuz as quick-witted as he is, he is also a borderline nutcase, and could comfortably fit in at PPC as well.

And that's why yet again, the cons will do nothing. He's going to embolden the men's rights wiener movement, as well as the Karens who yell at hostesses, but just regular people who would consider switching to cons because they think Trudeau is a twat, will also think he's an even bigger twat.

[Traum]

I hope I am as optimistic as you are about PeePee and the Cons, Westopher, and I hope you'd be right about regular folks thinking PeePee is that even bigger twat than Turdeau.

[68style]

Fuck I hope so too

[Hondaracer]

As canadas debt skyrockets how much longer can we possible support shit like this

https://globalnews.ca/news/9400363/u...efence-system/

This donation of NASAMS has an approximately $406 million value.

It comes from the $500 million military aid package to Ukraine announced on Nov. 14, 2022.

25 million for Pakistan floods?

https://globalnews.ca/news/9398485/c...lood-recovery/

To date, Canada has provided a total of $58 million in funding to Pakistan in response to the floods

Another 20 million + for Haiti, that should surely fix it (btw I watch a few YouTubers who have gone to Haiti recently and literally everyone they interview on the ground says money is just consumed through corruption and greed and nothing ever changes, or has changed in the last 10+ years since the earth quake

https://globalnews.ca/news/9292975/trudeau-aid-haiti/

Why I think PP may have some sort of chance is I have friends who are not involved in politics whatsoever and are smart enough to understand first world countries need to aid other countries. But they see shit like the missle defense system etc. and ask me like holy fuck can we stop cutting these billion dollar cheques when people can’t afford groceries for a few minutes?

Another one that just popped up, the potentially 2b+ gun “buy back”?

https://apple.news/AyxHpjAXISOud4bxB9l7itg

[westopher]

Canada has always put money into foreign aid. It costs us less money than going to war. Look how much the US spends on defence and right wingers down there love the fact that the country spends nearly 4x their GDP percentage over Canada.

[Hondaracer]

When does the justification end?

When you lose your home?

Haiti, Pakistan, Afghanistan:

https://www.international.gc.ca/coun....aspx?lang=eng

4 billion dollars to Afghanistan over a 20 year period so that 4 months after pulling out women can’t go to school or get a job. That was money well spent

These ventures are futile.

Not only that but trudeaus numerous missed bids on the UN Security Council just highlight how insincere any of this is, and he was called out appropriately for it, saying all this shit is about gender equality and human rights then he hides all the SNC lavalin shit who had hidden deals with Libya

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...justin-trudeau

“The mission really reinforced the perception that we wanted to ‘tick a box’ – as opposed to really doing the heavy lifting,” said Juneau.

This is all just a facade and an ego building exercise for the liberals.

[westopher]

This has literally been happening for decades. It's not "Trudeaus canada" that has invented foreign aid. As you mentioned, that 20 year period includes Harper. What is going to cause me to lose my home? That $17 of my tax money out of the tens of thousands that went into that? Afghanistan's in crisis, so we shouldn't try because it hasn't worked yet? That person over there had cancer and died from it. We should give up on the research? There's still homelessness so why keep trying to solve it?
Those people lost the birth lottery we won, so fuckin let them die, right? That's their problem.

[donk.]

Giving away a couple pennies on the dollar to live in Canada

Count me in

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

This has literally been happening for decades. It's not "Trudeaus canada" that has invented foreign aid. As you mentioned, that 20 year period includes Harper. What is going to cause me to lose my home? That $17 of my tax money out of the tens of thousands that went into that? Afghanistan's in crisis, so we shouldn't try because it hasn't worked yet? That person over there had cancer and died from it. We should give up on the research? There's still homelessness so why keep trying to solve it?
Those people lost the birth lottery we won, so fuckin let them die, right? That's their problem.

Yea the 20 year period including Harper basically giving up on the UN Security Council then Trudeau spending the most of any country to try and get back in but to just get ignored lol.. the feigned interest to build his ego on the world stage

[68style]

Okay so the money supposedly isn’t always getting where it needs to go.

Let’s spend billions setting up and staffing our own aid organizations in foreign countries waiting for bad things to happen to them then. Sound good? That’s the best way to ensure no dollars get wasted right?

[Hondaracer]

We cut enough blank cheques here in Canada which are squandered and embezzled. We don’t have to do it everywhere.

Not one of you could say with a straight face 25 million to Haiti is gonna do a damn thing. I 1000000x bet you this YouTube “indigo traveller” who raises money for places he visits will have more impact with his viewership and influence in building something tangible there then the 25 million+ we sent.

I know 25 million is nothing, but all of these actions are just frivolous.

[68style]

I agree in concept, like it annoys me at work that I can spend half a day trying to justify someone using the wrong credit card for a tank of gas meanwhile $25M gets sent to X country and it’s like “Why do I even bother?” but it’s kinda what Canada is known for and differentiates us from shitty / closed off countries.

[CRS]

If Hondaracer is going for a bet, I'll be down again.

I ain't saying no to free money in this economy.

[bcrdukes]

Would be nice to see him wager his home and car to make it juicy and worthwhile.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

We cut enough blank cheques here in Canada which are squandered and embezzled. We don’t have to do it everywhere.

Not one of you could say with a straight face 25 million to Haiti is gonna do a damn thing. I 1000000x bet you this YouTube “indigo traveller” who raises money for places he visits will have more impact with his viewership and influence in building something tangible there then the 25 million+ we sent.

I know 25 million is nothing, but all of these actions are just frivolous.

Man I've been watching a lot of his videos lately. He went from producing some pretty cool travel videos at famous backpacker haunts (like India, Nepal, Morocco, Egypt) then started going to some obscure countries like Bangladesh Iran, North Korea, Iraq. Now with his latest stuff he's just doing full on poverty-porn which, while interesting, gets pretty damn repetitive. I mean is talking to a refugee in South Sudan that much different than talking to a slum dweller in Ghana or a gangster in Haiti? I dunno what happened, his early stuff was genuinely fun to watch, but now it just seems like he wants to win a pulitzer with his robotic interviews ("What does the government need to do to help you?") or whatever the youtube equivalent is.

[mikemhg]

I like Indigo Traveller, but he really gases up some of his shit.

"I'm about to go into the most dangerous place on the planet, a literal warzone"

He then proceeds to walk through a safe market, nothing happens

I've been to the places he visited in Northern Nigeria in a recent video of his, it's not the literal warzone he tried to depict those places to be (Kano for example). Much of his stuff is sensationalism.

It's like when vloggers post videos in places like Tepito in Mexico City -- "ZOMG, the most dangerous place in Mexico City, they'll kill you right here!!!", they proceed to visit, nothing happens, it's just a black market exchange within the city itself.

It's travel-porn.

[Hondaracer]

Some places he goes though 100% you could get killed for your camera and no one would care your dead

I would assume the guides he hires etc. he puts in place some sort of insurance policy agreement like, keep me safe and the day I fly out I’ll throw ya another $5000 lol

[CivicBlues]

Yeah his latest series on Ghana was weird and short (only like 4 eps). He literally just went straight to the biggest slum you could find in Accra. Didn't want to show anything else like how the middle class lived or even the upper class. Never been but know for a fact it's not that desperate there.

But he's gotta get them shock-porn clicks I guess.

[mikemhg]

^This exactly, which is why I'm not a fan of his journalism style.

He never shows the good parts of the places he visits, just poverty porn.

It makes me question his intentions in terms of how he portrays the countries he visits.