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whitev70r 08-29-2023 08:09 AM

Strangest shit ... I was talking to a early to mid 20's something fellow and he said that one of the past times of his peers (mostly ladies) is to go shoplifting ... WTF is going on? And I do believe that these people are pretty well to do so it's just for shitz and giggles ... ??!!

Hondaracer 08-29-2023 08:21 AM

Crazy what happens when there are no repercussions for your actions

Obviously what’s changed compared to westophers example as now it’s not just B&E’s but blatant shoplifting with no regard for anything. Walk in, pick something up, walk out, threaten violence when needed. What is a business owner or low level employee going to do?

We’ve created a culture where it’s acceptable to do this. And as per the article, you receive zero punishment for your crime so why wouldn’t you continue to do it?

Hondaracer 08-29-2023 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9107786)
Um, we never had a referendum for prop rep on the federal level.

I think you're thinking of the provincial referendum in 2018. Nothing to do with Trudeau and the federal liberals.

Ah yea.. you’re correct

The electoral reform at the federal level that was promised in 2015 by Turd and Co was abandoned when it didn’t suit them

whitev70r 08-29-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9107791)
Crazy what happens when there are no repercussions for your actions

Obviously what’s changed compared to westophers example as now it’s not just B&E’s but blatant shoplifting with no regard for anything. Walk in, pick something up, walk out, threaten violence when needed. What is a business owner or low level employee going to do?

We’ve created a culture where it’s acceptable to do this. And as per the article, you receive zero punishment for your crime so why wouldn’t you continue to do it?

While I totally agree that there should be consequences, I don't think it is effective or efficient to run these people through the system, put them in jail for however long, that actually works out to be more expensive and time consuming in the long run. Maybe some sort of restorative justice where they have to make license plates, clean the neighbourhood, or community service ... I dunno.

Hondaracer 08-29-2023 08:44 AM

How about after the 30th time, you go away for a little bit?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lib...c0ef72f71/amp/

Quote:

In 2017, Edmonton police tracked 2,880 people who had been arrested and then released on bail or ordered to attend court. In the following three years, 1,784 of them committed another 12,743 crimes, including three homicides.

In 2020, Edmonton police tracked 3,647 similar individuals and found that 2,482 of them went on to commit another 19,186 crimes in the following three years. This time there were 26 homicides.

In Toronto in 2022, there were 44 deaths by shooting with 24 of the alleged killers already out on bail, according to Conservative numbers.
Don’t mind me though, it’s such a right wing wacked out idea to not let violent repeat criminals out continuously to commit more and more crime. I apologize

Everything is shit, but I guess it’s wayyyyy too much to ask to feel some semblance of safety in your community

whitev70r 08-29-2023 08:49 AM

I'd have to agree with you about repeat offenders.

westopher 08-29-2023 09:07 AM

It's not that people disagree with what you want, it's that it's not liberal policy that's causing it like you think it is. That's been a Canada thing as long as we have been alive. It doesn't excuse current government from addressing it, but there's a difference between not fixing it and being the cause of it.
Property crime in canada 2021 hit the lowest rate it has been since 1967, so really, that dictates there is probably nowhere to go but up, which it clearly has been. Public perception is based on short term memory, as we know.
Cause of property crime isn't lack of punishment, it's lack of financial opportunity, which I definitely would place some blame on the current government.
Violent crimes were higher from 2001-2012, dropped until 2016 drastically, and have been slowly increasing back to the rates I mentioned.
All this stuff is easily mathematically explained, and easily available, so if you have a perception, just find the numbers and find out if you are right or not. If more people did that we wouldn't have so many stupid news stories and opinions pieces on either side of the spectrum making people think their political party is saving the world while the other ruins it.

Great68 08-29-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9107792)
Ah yea.. you’re correct

The electoral reform at the federal level that was promised in 2015 by Turd and Co was abandoned when it didn’t suit them

I find it kind of funny to complain about a party you never voted for not doing something, when the party you did vote for had no plans to do that thing either, in fact stating they would actively try to block that thing from happening....

Hondaracer 08-29-2023 09:41 AM

Well regardless of the party I am for electoral reform

So I’m not such a blind/biased constituent that i can’t see the good in some of the other parties initiatives

Great68 08-29-2023 11:20 AM

That's fine, but still ironic.

Traum 08-29-2023 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9107781)
It's been like that as long as anyone can remember. My house was robbed twice when I was 8 and 10 in edmonton.
Both times the people were caught (with my snes and PS1 respectively) and neither time were they charged because there wasn't enough evidence to make it stick.
Doesn't make it less stupid, but it isn't new.

How can there be no consequences for the perpetators? At a minimum, they were in possession of stolen goods -- a fact that cannot be overturned. Even if it was just a slap on the wrist, charges could have been laid.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to see the police not wanting to press charges even if the evidence is there. But that's different than not having enough evidence to make it stick.

Manic! 08-29-2023 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9107849)
How can there be no consequences for the perpetators? At a minimum, they were in possession of stolen goods -- a fact that cannot be overturned. Even if it was just a slap on the wrist, charges could have been laid.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to see the police not wanting to press charges even if the evidence is there. But that's different than not having enough evidence to make it stick.

What should be done to someone who steals a couple of chocolate bars or $50 worth of makeup?

Traum 08-29-2023 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9107855)
What should be done to someone who steals a couple of chocolate bars or $50 worth of makeup?

It's a waste of resources to be sure, but there should be consequences as a deterrent. Fines / mandatory community service, etc.?

The perpetrator may or may not care, but for those who may be just doing it for shxts and giggles, perhaps the consequences might make them think twice?

donk. 08-29-2023 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whitev70r (Post 9107788)
Strangest shit ... I was talking to a early to mid 20's something fellow and he said that one of the past times of his peers (mostly ladies) is to go shoplifting ... WTF is going on? And I do believe that these people are pretty well to do so it's just for shitz and giggles ... ??!!

The real question is, have you ever shoplifted?

If the answer is no, then your missing out on an "experience", and a feeling like no other.

Il give you some personal experiences, just for ricescene entertainment value
Spoiler!


Middleschool: we had a buddy that would always shoplift at 711, petty shit, just because he knew he could. Eventually he got caught, was banned from the 711. This is the same guy that would eat the meat out of my brother's sandwich every day, because they shared a locker. (He was a thiCC boi)

Middleschool again: another buddy we rode with, would walk into Safeway, and walk right out with a 2L sunny-D, no cashier needed. Why? For the reaction on our faces. It's "what you do" as a teenager

Highschool: can't afford that t shirt you wanted cuz all you do is smoke weed and don't want to work? Well the solution to that, is to shoplift. Got friends that also was that shirt or shoes? PERFECT let's get in on it together. One distracts the storefront person, while the other grabs 2 sets.

Myself: not sure if middleschool, or highschool, I had a "habit" of "picking up" an extra item when buying a chocobar or drink at times. The guys I was with also did it, and you know how peer pressure operates in that time of your life.
Gives you this rush knowing your doing something bad and can get away with it.
Kind of like speeding in a 50 zone, misfiling your taxes, rolling through a stop sign, leaving work 15 minutes early but billing for it, etc.
Anyways: one time I was in some chain corner store:
I walked in and had my mind set on getting a free bar and a free bar only. When I walked in I was already hella suspicious, you could see it on my face. Did too many laps in the store, being shady like a junkie in a store.
Went for a bar, pocketed it. Buddy guy behind the counter straight up asked me what's in my pocket, and at that point, I had this disgusted feeling in my stomach, knowing what I was doing was wrong, and the fact that I got caught. I took it out, gave it back, and walked out of there with the biggest shame I have ever felt. Since then, never stolen again.
It's fun, until it isn't.

Anyone can point a finger at someone else and say "that's wrong" but the reality is, we all do something wrong. Just need the right person to point it out on us

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9107855)
What should be done to someone who steals a couple of chocolate bars or $50 worth of makeup?

Public shaming infront of MANY people. Preferably with an invite of their parents/friends. If that does not work, then a small fine for a "first" offence

Badhobz 08-30-2023 05:34 AM

I dated this white chick who’s sister used to get off on shoplifting. Like she had a serious problem. We bailed her outta jail a few times. The final time she tried to jack jewelry and she got into some pretty heavy shit. Sentenced to 5 years.

Messed up that poor girl I was dating…. And in turn ruined our relationship cuz she kept obsessing about her sister.

Great sex though….

sonick 08-30-2023 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9107873)
I dated this white chick who’s sister used to get off on shoplifting. Like she had a serious problem. We bailed her outta jail a few times. The final time she tried to jack jewelry and she got into some pretty heavy shit. Sentenced to 5 years.

Messed up that poor girl I was dating…. And in turn ruined our relationship cuz she kept obsessing about her sister.

Great sex though….

So you pulled white chicks back in the day, what are you complaining about :awwyeah:

68style 08-30-2023 07:25 AM

The relationship really went south when Badhobz said "Can we do some roleplay where I'm a guard and you're your sister in jail?"

donk. 08-30-2023 08:37 AM

POGGERSPOGGERSPOGGERSPOGGERSPOGGERSPOGGERS

Jesus 68style......

That reminds me of being in a bar once, I tried to hit up the hot front door person.
Asked her out, she said no, I said why not, she said because her BF died, so that was cut short.
I walk over to my buddies, they ask me how it went, I told them the above.
My buddy looks over and says "should have replied: well your still alive aren't you?"
Half of us nearly spat our dranks out

sonick 08-30-2023 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9107878)
The relationship really went south when Badhobz said "Can we do some roleplay where I'm a guard and you're your sister in jail?"

Things really went south when it turned out Hobz wanted to play the sister.

Traum 08-30-2023 11:08 AM

OK, less posting about Canadian politics, and more posting about Badhobz and his hot Caucasian ex!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9107873)
I dated this white chick who’s sister used to get off on shoplifting. Like she had a serious problem. We bailed her outta jail a few times. The final time she tried to jack jewelry and she got into some pretty heavy shit. Sentenced to 5 years.

Messed up that poor girl I was dating…. And in turn ruined our relationship cuz she kept obsessing about her sister.

Great sex though….


inv4zn 08-30-2023 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9107873)
I dated this white chick who’s sister used to get off on shoplifting. Like she had a serious problem. We bailed her outta jail a few times. The final time she tried to jack jewelry and she got into some pretty heavy shit. Sentenced to 5 years.

Messed up that poor girl I was dating…. And in turn ruined our relationship cuz she kept obsessing about her sister.

Great sex though….

What heartless judge sentenced a 82 year old woman to 5 years??

Badhobz 08-30-2023 03:47 PM

no, unfortunately it wasnt my Mabel. Although im pretty sure she was a damn fine piece of ass in her prime. She's totally got the Hepburn persona going on, the whole AH-HA!!! HA!!!! darling, why i never .....

Plus she always has a bowl full of bon bon's at her desk. :awwyeah:

https://youtu.be/5vyBtRTM9B8?si=Ug9Xkb6FK028l4Eb&t=68

Hondaracer 08-31-2023 09:30 AM

Lol.. this is what it’s come to?

Eby begging the bank of Canada not to raise rates?

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/0...st-rate-hikes/

The fed seems like they have no clue how to control inflation, and as a result our wonderful govt. will force the BoC’s hand in raising rates once again.

If ya voted Liberal, ya voted for rate hikes in insane, out of control spending with no end goal.

68style 08-31-2023 09:41 AM

CIBC and RBC already released statements saying they don't believe there will be a hike tomorrow.

https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.ne...25&type=column

Just a return to the norm of 20 years solid from before? If it's Liberal policy fault what happened between 1993 and 2005 when Liberals were in power? It steadily dropped save for 1 big spike....

And what happened between 2015 and 2022 when Liberals were in power again?

When Cons took over in 2005 it went up to 5% for like 4 years are we just ignoring that?

Hondaracer 08-31-2023 09:52 AM

My financial advisor said almost every big bank is factoring in a 50/50 chance of a rate hike.

Controlling inflation is on the govt. not the rates

Also going from 3% to 5% mattered Farrrrrrr less when incomes were $60,000 and homes were $200,000


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