Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

He’s doing a pretty amazing job dragging himself down, I highly doubt anyone sees these “attack” ads and has some epiphany about changing their allegiance.

People who supported him in the past are finally coming to the realization the liberals don’t give a fuck about anyones tangible interests and will go down appealing to these minuscule minority groups they’ve seemed to cling to in the last 3-4 years

Who needs an affordable home when you can build a 30 person committee to support LGBTQ+ indigenous blue eyed albinos?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

He’s doing a pretty amazing job dragging himself down, I highly doubt anyone sees these “attack” ads and has some epiphany about changing their allegiance.

People who supported him in the past are finally coming to the realization the liberals don’t give a fuck about anyones tangible interests and will go down appealing to these minuscule minority groups they’ve seemed to cling to in the last 3-4 years

Who needs an affordable home when you can build a 30 person committee to support LGBTQ+ indigenous blue eyed albinos?

And you think PP does. He does not even care about his own dad. His campaign is funded by big real estate execs.

https://pressprogress.ca/big-real-es...conservatives/

[westopher]

I am betting voter turnout is an absolute tank if things continue the way they are.
I can't I'm good conscience vote liberal or conservative. If I go vote for anyone else I've pretty much just wasted 18 minutes.
What is a woke libtard that still understands we live in a society that operates on money being exchanged for goods and services like myself to do?
I hope Trudeau does the smart thing and realizes that he's past his shelf life, but he's just a figurehead. Is the party capable of better with someone else at the helm? It would certainly be beneficial for them to make sure they have enough time before an election to prove it if it is a possibility.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

... will go down appealing to these minuscule minority groups they’ve seemed to cling to in the last 3-4 years

Who needs an affordable home when you can build a 30 person committee to support LGBTQ+ indigenous blue eyed albinos?

Isn't this exactly what the conservatives are doing when they appeal to pro-abortion religious rights and racists?

Like literally word for word exactly? Perhaps even more miniscule of a group in Canada than super left wing ideologists.

I'm not sure what about the Conservative platform makes anyone think housing is going to become more affordable... other than PP said (with no backup material) that it magically would lol

You want interest rates to come down too right? That's going to create an even bigger spike of prices here locally... gotta make up yo mind! Can't have it both ways.

[Traum]

At this point, I'd say it is really more voter fatigue with both the Liberals and esp Trudeau than anything else. 8 years over 3 terms of government, with a good sprinkling of scandals and embarrassments, not to mention the life-changing COVID years for a lot of people. That is quite long time. And esp bcos of COVID and the aftermath, it really feels like a super long time.

At this point, I'd really say the election would be for PeePee to lose. But we are still a good 2 years away, so if PeePee gets too cocky, he'll slip up and spoil his own chances.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by westopher

I hope Trudeau does the smart thing and realizes that he's past his shelf life, but he's just a figurehead. Is the party capable of better with someone else at the helm? It would certainly be beneficial for them to make sure they have enough time before an election to prove it if it is a possibility.

IMO the biggest difficulty for the Libs to replace Turd is -- they don't have another appealing retail politician that they can market. Turd would obviously score the highest points in that regard, but he is also more of a liability than an asset at this point.

They really need to use the time between now and Oct 2025 to groom a proper PM candidate.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

Isn't this exactly what the conservatives are doing when they appeal to pro-abortion religious rights and racists?

Like literally word for word exactly? Perhaps even more miniscule of a group in Canada than super left wing ideologists.

I'm not sure what about the Conservative platform makes anyone think housing is going to become more affordable... other than PP said (with no backup material) that it magically would lol

You want interest rates to come down too right? That's going to create an even bigger spike of prices here locally... gotta make up yo mind! Can't have it both ways.

Same shit, different pile. And I think most people are ready for a change.

Pitty peoples rights are going to be taken away as a result of supporting a party they thought had their best interests at heart heheh

In terms of a turd replacement, Diane Watts comes to mind, although BC liberal is essentially federal conservative

No one answered my question from before, what’s better now than it was 8 years ago?

And please don’t come back with that drivel of “everywhere’s bad!!!” There are plenty of first world countries doing perfectly fine, if not better than a decade ago both financially and politically. And in many of those countries homelessness isn’t rampant and you don’t wait 8 months to see a doctor for an ear infection.

[68style]

TBH I don't think that much is better besides tolerance in society stuff... I guess my income has improved significantly? So that's a positive change. That happened within the last 8 years.

That said, I actually do think that Canada is kind of settling back to its own norm... I honestly felt like we were out-performing ourselves from a livability standpoint for a very long time... this country is super small potatoes on the world stage as an economic power and we were up there with all the big players fighting for space for awhile... I think there has been a regression but I am not so sure it's caused by political parties, moreso a coming back down to Earth for what this country actually is.

Just my 2 cents.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

No one answered my question from before, what’s better now than it was 8 years ago?

And please don’t come back with that drivel of “everywhere’s bad!!!” There are plenty of first world countries doing perfectly fine, if not better than a decade ago both financially and politically. And in many of those countries homelessness isn’t rampant and you don’t wait 8 months to see a doctor for an ear infection.

Canada has not been doing well over the last 8 years. This has been well-documented in a lot of global surveys. There have been lots of reporting on how Canada has fallen behind in various world rankings in different categories while other countries move ahead.

Can Trudeau and Libs be blamed for this? Objectively speaking, I'd say yes for some, and no for others. In particular, I'd say Canada handled the COVID economic impact really well bcos Turd was not shy nor stingy in giving money out (to its own citizens).

The Canadian system has a lot of bureaucracy and inefficiencies that are detrimental to economic growth. Kleenex and Dellissio bailing out of the Canadian market are examples of those inefficiencies, and you can't really blame those on Turd. It is true that he didn't do enough to get rid of those bureaucracy and inefficiency, but a lot of it is beyond his control as well.

To the average voter, of course, this is not going to matter. Even when it is the CoV that is holding you back from getting a new detached home building permit issued quickly, a lot of people are still going to blame Turd for not making housing affordable or easy.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

There are plenty of first world countries doing perfectly fine, if not better than a decade ago both financially and politically. And in many of those countries homelessness isn’t rampant and you don’t wait 8 months to see a doctor for an ear infection.

Which ones?

It's less bad than it would be if we'd had the Cons in charge for the last 8 years. And it's stupid that they set the bar so low that the Libs barely have to try. It's tedious having to worry more about avoiding the Cons in charge than about whether who is in charge is actually useful.

[Hondaracer]

Lol it’s “less bad” than the worst it’s ever been? Ok..

[The Producer]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

There are plenty of first world countries doing perfectly fine, if not better than a decade ago both financially and politically. And in many of those countries homelessness isn’t rampant and you don’t wait 8 months to see a doctor for an ear infection.

which ones? Classic first world England and France are way worse now than they were 10 years ago. USA is immeasurably worse now than it was 10 years ago.

I agree that when you identify the "better ones", we should emulate them, and the socialist practices that allow them to succeed where we fail.

I'd start w driving the private sector back out of energy and (re) nationalizing it. then bolster our oil and gas sector w massive public investment into alternative energy. Canadian New Deal - want a good paying job? No problem. Use the returns on those investments to prioritize health care - especially mental health needs. There are way less homeless problems in countries where the population accepts that it's cheaper to treat and house people (financially and socially) than it is to just ignore them - or worse, vilify them.

do you think that PP is planning to lead with any of those ideas? to even consider them? pretty sure his owners won't like that. His job will just be to keep riling up whatever disenfranchised youth he can find, and their boomer base. Keep talking about irrelevant subjects, while simultaneously offering nothing tangible in their own platform.

we can't have these nice things like Scandinavian countries because we're convinced that it's only capitalism or communism - despite the countries you are referring to proving time and time again that this is untrue.

I can't vote for Trudeau again, and obviously I can't vote for the conservative party under any circumstances. Unless the libs can find a new leader, with some fresh ideas it's a spoiled ballot for me I guess.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Lol it’s “less bad” than the worst it’s ever been? Ok..

I'm struggling to read what you're saying here. If you think that now is the worst it's even been, and that it's impossible for things to be even worse, you need to be more imaginative. Or just look down south at the shit show Donny created.

[westopher]

I still try to understand what rights are being taken away that you're referring to Honda? Meanwhile you have a party who is trying to openly pressure their leader to reopen the debate to take away women's reproductive rights.
Economically canada is a clusterfuck, and that's absolutely reasonable to be upset about, but when people talk about rights and freedoms when all they are really doing is harbouring resentment over a fucking vaccine it's really, really petty.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

I still try to understand what rights are being taken away that you're referring to Honda? Meanwhile you have a party who is trying to openly pressure their leader to reopen the debate to take away women's reproductive rights.
Economically canada is a clusterfuck, and that's absolutely reasonable to be upset about, but when people talk about rights and freedoms when all they are really doing is harbouring resentment over a fucking vaccine it's really, really petty.

What you said there is what I’m getting at not vaccine stuff, albeit the liberal approach to vaccines and vaccine passports has forever ruined the public’s confidence re: public health crisis

The inept “progressive” policies the liberals have tried to enact while in power have been completely futile. These groups including indigenous people etc. are all in the same, if not worse scenario than before.

And by continuing to support this liberal govt. those supporters have now created an environment where disenfranchised liberal voters will now hop over to the cons and as a result, we will see stuff like reproductive rights, lgbt stuff, etc. all come into question because the liberals could never be moderate into their approaches with any of this. Now people have completely lost interest in those topics which don’t directly effect them and as a result, will vote in a conservative govt. that cares even less about those issues (at least they don’t pretend to)

Doesn’t really affect me directly, so don’t really care tbh and that’s the political climate this liberal regime has created

Look out for number 1, avoid paying any tax or govt. cash grab where possible, and the only thing that matters is the number in your bank account

[westopher]

Still wondering what rights you have that have been taken away?

[Hondaracer]

That’s not what I’m saying..

I’m saying these things like perceived “victories” for these minority groups the liberals claim are going to be all for not.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6869803

Crazy, “hate” is on the rise? Who’s responsible for that?

https://www.politico.eu/article/cana...ng-g7-meeting/

People on the global stage rolling their eyes at his woke takes on their countries when his own country is hardly a model for anything

Then he goes on and on and eventually isolates a whole religious segment saying Muslim people are dumb enough to fall for “right wing” propaganda in the lgbtq debate

What I’m saying is.. all of this is for not. You guys always go on about how these issues are minuscule and kids gender identity in schools etc. isn’t anything to get excited about

Yet.. our PM has literally become exhausted in trying to justify his varrying stances on these subjects, to the point where he doesn’t even know what he’s saying anymore

YouTube

What I’m saying is the amount of energy expended by the liberal govt. on these “freedoms” and “safety” for these tiny minority groups within our country is going to end up being all for not. And when Pp gets into power, none of this is going to matter any longer.

So these people who, let’s be real, at this point even staunchest LGBTQ advocate has no faith in this govt.

My use of “rights” was wrong fair enough, but I’ll rephrase it as this “progress” JT and the libs think they made with these tiny, marginalized groups was and will be, all for not.

To summarize, no “rights” were lost, but odds are by supporting this regime that pretended they cared about these issues, it’s pushed people to the opposite side and now those “issues” will go by the wayside.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

No one answered my question from before, what’s better now than it was 8 years ago?

My bank account.

[Great68]

8 years ago I could be criminally charged for smoking a plant. So yeah, that's way fucking better.

[Hondaracer]

Lol as if, come on

Even as kids cops were giving our weed back.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah every stoner I know used to live in fear of the cops breaking down their door to steal their weed

[westopher]

Make sure you flip out about decriminalizing possession in a different conversation though.

[Hondaracer]

Not flipping out about anything. I think everything I said is very much grounded in the reality of the Canadian voter.

[Great68]

Illegal is illegal. As someone who has actually been stopped and actually had my shit confiscated by the cops, you can get fucked with that "they don't care" bullshit.

[Manic!]

Maybe in BC but not in other parts of Canada they took weed more seriously.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ures-1.4064195

https://www.cannabisculture.com/cont...04/03/23/3387/