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mikemhg 10-17-2023 12:03 PM

Let me just add that your homies on the Conservatives end would make this problem even worse, if we take anything from what they're doing in Alberta :lol

https://breachmedia.ca/rise-in-alber...tion-strategy/

westopher 10-17-2023 12:07 PM

Depends on the level. To be an advanced care paramedic you basically cram med school into 3 years lol. The thing that's really fucked about it is they don't have as big of a scope of practice as a doctor, but they end up operating outside that scope so often as the goal is to keep people alive. It can create a lot of difficult decisions and situations where you are essentially "breaking the rules" to properly do your job. I went to school to be an EMT but called it quits after one day of practicum. The biggest roadblock for me was the idea of unbiased care. Could I really treat an injured drunk driver to the best of my ability after he kills someone in an accident? Absolutely fuck no.

underscore 10-17-2023 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9112253)
Those are the types of things we should be puting money into to entice more people to get into. But we just pump so much into irrelevant BS.

I've long thought that healthcare should be the first priority for the budget, regardless of who is in charge. If you want to be economically conservative then cut funds from something else lower down the list. Have our roads be shittier or don't bid on the Olympics because if we don't have healthcare wtf is the point of anything else? Doctors/nurses/paramedics/whatever should be a bit overpaid so we can easily hire as many as we need and even be able to pick and choose the best.

/rant

Traum 10-17-2023 02:28 PM

According to Indeed, the average salary for paramedics is $69.06/hr.

https://ca.indeed.com/career/paramed...itish-Columbia

Multiply that by 40 hrs per week, and 52 weeks of pays, we're looking at ~$143k/yr.

It is not shockingly high pay, and I'd say the pay is too low given the tough decisions, the importance, and the yuck factor the job comes with. But I also wouldn't call it a crappy pay, esp when I'm sure it'd be super easy to raking up additional OT hours.

Or is Indeed just BS-ing?

westopher 10-17-2023 02:35 PM

That's 100% not true and I have no fucking clue where they got that from. Nowhere in North America pays that. 1st year paramedics in BC get paid about $27 an hour. The cap for advanced life support paramedics is like $46/hr.

Traum 10-17-2023 03:13 PM

$27/hr is abysmal for a job as important and as repulsive as that. Even at $46/hr, it is still an insult.

No wonder we have a shortage of them...

westopher 10-17-2023 03:18 PM

I think the reason the indeed data was skewed is because they probably have travel contracts and private paramedics for places like mines and large industrial facilities.
I know some of the travel nursing organizations offer contracts that end up being like 120-150 an hour for certain places in the US, especially when covid was destroying the US. My wife thought about doing it, but that was at a time when no one really did know what was going on and I wasn't comfortable with the risks.

hud 91gt 10-18-2023 09:24 AM

The worst part of a firemen’s job is being a first responder. The mental trauma from that job is life changing.

A paramedic ONLY sees that part, and are paid half as much? It’s kinda messed up. Don’t even get to save a cat from a tree.

68style 10-18-2023 09:26 AM

^ or be in a calendar

Hondaracer 10-18-2023 09:47 AM

Firemen is GRAVY compared to paramedic.

mikemhg 10-18-2023 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9112278)
I've long thought that healthcare should be the first priority for the budget, regardless of who is in charge. If you want to be economically conservative then cut funds from something else lower down the list. Have our roads be shittier or don't bid on the Olympics because if we don't have healthcare wtf is the point of anything else? Doctors/nurses/paramedics/whatever should be a bit overpaid so we can easily hire as many as we need and even be able to pick and choose the best.

/rant

Because underscore, we need FIFA and the Olympics, because...business!

You should know that, damnit.

mikemhg 10-18-2023 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9112298)
$27/hr is abysmal for a job as important and as repulsive as that. Even at $46/hr, it is still an insult.

No wonder we have a shortage of them...

To add to this, when they're "on-call" they're paid a few bucks per hour, $2 to be exact.

This was bumped up to a whopping $12 :lol

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...42%20an%20hour.

"The deal between B.C. Emergency Health Services (BCEHS) and the union representing paramedics, the Ambulance Paramedics of B.C., means that paramedics who are on call waiting to be dispatched to an emergency will receive “pager pay” of $12 an hour, up from $2 an hour."

Wow! Imagine having to sit at the health authority's beck and call for a mere $12 an hour (below minimum wage). Your day is filled with not being able to make plans or do fuck all because if your pager goes off you need to roll out immediately, so most of the day you're making $12 an hour, you're only paid the $27 an hour rate when you're actually in the ambulance heading to a call.

It's literally a shit job.

Badhobz 10-18-2023 03:37 PM

https://globalnews.ca/news/10032931/...n-plan-letter/

WTF, alberta wants to pull out of CPP!? i mean thats a real ballsy move but im pretty sure all canadians will suffer if alberta pulls out. Good for Albertians though

BC and ontario should pull out too... GOOD LUCK QUEBEC!

Hondaracer 10-18-2023 03:50 PM

Good for them.

Turd - this will hurt all Canadian pensions, yea no shit bro.

Gonna have an even greater domino effect as we see the boomers retire who have no home paid off and can no longer afford the rents. Gonna be a good ol’ time!

Traum 10-18-2023 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9112440)
https://globalnews.ca/news/10032931/...n-plan-letter/

WTF, alberta wants to pull out of CPP!? i mean thats a real ballsy move but im pretty sure all canadians will suffer if alberta pulls out. Good for Albertians though

BC and ontario should pull out too... GOOD LUCK QUEBEC!

And Alberta -- well, Danielle Smith -- thinks they deserve to retrieve over 1/2 of the money that is currently sitting in the CPP funds. If Ontario were to use the same formulae to estimate the portion of CPP they deserve, they'll get over 60%!

60+% + 50+% = 110+%

The math is just excellent~!

The fortunate thing is -- the majority of Albertans right now are not buying Smith's BS. But with Alberta... you just never know how redneck stupid they can be.

The CPP is one of the best run retirement funds in the world. For Alberta to pull out, they would be exposed to greater risks while having fewer options to invest in.

CivicBlues 10-18-2023 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9112440)
https://globalnews.ca/news/10032931/...n-plan-letter/

WTF, alberta wants to pull out of CPP!? i mean thats a real ballsy move but im pretty sure all canadians will suffer if alberta pulls out. Good for Albertians though

BC and ontario should pull out too... GOOD LUCK QUEBEC!

LOL Quebec opted out of CPP ages ago. It's the QPP over there.

GL Maritimes and remaining flyover provinces.

underscore 10-18-2023 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9112465)
The CPP is one of the best run retirement funds in the world.

That's what'd really hurt them, I have a hard time believing an APP would be managed very well.

Badhobz 10-19-2023 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CivicBlues (Post 9112480)
LOL Quebec opted out of CPP ages ago. It's the QPP over there.

GL Maritimes and remaining flyover provinces.

wtf really ?!? God I hate those separatist bastards.

westopher 10-19-2023 05:14 AM

Go to Montreal and you won't. It's so much nicer than here. Those qubecois have complained themselves into paradise over there.

Badhobz 10-19-2023 05:43 AM

i go 4 times a year for port related events. I dont find it all that great, the city itself is quite ugly geographically.

I do like the old port district but the road condition and the overall traffic downtown is a horrible mess.

Hondaracer 10-19-2023 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9112492)
Go to Montreal and you won't. It's so much nicer than here. Those qubecois have complained themselves into paradise over there.

When’s the last time you went?

In 2021 downtown Montreal was a complete dump compared to what it had been the last time I had visited

CivicBlues 10-19-2023 07:10 AM

Eh it's fine. Some people like the urban grit and there's fewer homeless cause they'd freeze to death in Winter. Much culture though. Montreal isn't really Quebec though, it's Montreal. World away from Provincial Quebec.

Hondaracer 10-19-2023 07:20 AM

Went to Quebec city, Montreal, and Tremblant during that trip

I dunno.. for me who loves Europe more than anything this pseudo-euro vibe quebecers have always tried to potray has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way

That area around tremblant etc. is quite nice but it’s nothing compared to the interior here

68style 10-19-2023 07:33 AM

^ Somehow I read that as queers instead of quebecers and was like "oh my... that's rather avant garde even for honda" hahaha

Hondaracer 10-19-2023 07:34 AM

^ those types of places were a victim of Covid unfortunately.. lol


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