Canadian politics thread

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I totally agree, companies will follow their bottom line, but what you're describing is the proverbial race to the bottom.

Yes, people work to survive in places like India, but why should be adopt that mentality?

Just because there are people willing to struggle and suffer more to survive does not mean we should mitigate our society and standards simply because of that fact. We should be a positive example of a balanced and stable society, an example other societies should aspire towards.

As opposed to racing to the bottom, shouldn't we concentrate more on raising the tide to lifts all boats?

To his credit, your savior Trump, espoused those very virtues.

The way I see it is this... of course I am biased AF, but here's the truth that I'm teaching my kids and something I learned from my folks.

If you are thinking to work for money, you are doomed. See the examples above for the crazy prices we used pay for web dev and software engineering in general. Eventually, someone who's "good enough" would come in and undercut you.

The true way forward, for humanity as a whole and best for our children is to get into areas where it's hard for both AI and human: creativity.

There is no limit on where creativity can lead you. And it's hard to replace as everyone would have a different take. You get inspiration from the greatest minds, and work out your own ways.

Creativity doesn't just apply to art, but science as well. Creativity is about thinking outside of the box, while still trying to define a box. I've always taught my kids one thing "try solving the problem before you ask me about it. I'm always there for you to help. But I'd rather be helping you find the solution, than just give it to you."

As far as Trump goes, I don't think he's a great leader, but he more or less follows a principle that I believe in... manage everything, including a country, as a business. Yes... it's not perfect, but it's at least efficient.

When you try to be accommodating to everyone, you just create an environment that fixates on the lowest common denominator. Because that's the only way to accommodate everyone.

Instead, get the idea of this... failure is guaranteed, whether it's for business, being a person, or managing a country. Success is for those who fought above and beyond to avoid failure.

Instead of having a government that looks to set a bar low that allows everyone to achieve mediocracy, be ok for just some to achieve excellence and use the experience or resources of those to help people who fail.

I'm all for pushing for programs that help people to achieve their dreams. Whatever that might be. Get training programs. Provide resources and opportunities for those who just can't make on their own.

Think people in DTES for example, they want to collect gov't subsidy? Get working. Gov't can easily set up subsidized workplaces that do basic hand labor that many businesses need. The problem of getting these people hired for even basic labor is simple: if I'm paying the same wage, why don't I hire someone who doesn't have all these complications? So gov't steps in, they pay x percentage or even all the wages for these companies that need basic labor. And if they succeed at becoming good at something, have a pathway toward a permanent position. By providing opportunities, education (key component) and training, that's the only way to even have a chance to get these people out of it.

If they are really not in the condition to work at all... be it mental, physical or whatever... set up group homes that host those people and have the resources such as MDs, psychiatrists... etc to help them either become better or at least cope with their conditions.

When dealing with a problem in business, you try to get to the root of it and work from there. Just handing out money to those people and hoping that they would put it to good use has never proven to work.

[mikemhg]

That is the most ridiculous take I've heard on this forum, but then again it's you.

Not everyone is built to be "creative". If everyone was a creative, we wouldn't have the people who do the actual "work".

Being creative or entrepreneurial is often times the luxury of the rich (a socioeconomic status you're a part of). There are many people that don't have the luxury of sitting around on their parent's dime being "creative", able to start or fund a business that isn't economically viable immediately, or even having the capital in the first place to take such a risk.

I think we're talking about different things here, I've never pushed the idea of a simple handout. The problem in this country is that we've created a stiff system of crony capitalism. As it was mentioned earlier in this thread, these "Canadian" companies carry little about Canada, or Canadians.

Why should they be protected and insolated via policy perspective by government, enshrining this system of monopoly in this country? We are socializing risk on the back of taxpayers while privatizing profits.

[westopher]

So many words, so little conveyed. I'm not surprised you like trump. It's just the word salad tactic.

[donk.]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

The problem in this country is that we've created a stiff system of crony capitalism. As it was mentioned earlier in this thread, these "Canadian" companies carry little about Canada, or Canadians.

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What drives these companies? People buying their shit

People LOVE capitalism, but proceed to say "I hate capitalism, fuck Jeff bezos, fuck Loblaws." Then they go and buy shit off Amazon and superstore.
People are to blame, not the companies that meet their demands

Anyone that cries about capitalism, I tell em to go buy at mom and pop stores, then they say "it's too expensive"

[Hondaracer]

Well yea.. it is?

If you’re poor, are you going to go out of your to pay more for -anything-?

The system created this environment, not the individuals using it. Most people are forced to shop at Walmart, they aren’t actively choosing Walmart over the farmers market by choice.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by donk.

What drives these companies? People buying their shit

People LOVE capitalism, but proceed to say "I hate capitalism, fuck Jeff bezos, fuck Loblaws." Then they go and buy shit off Amazon and superstore.
People are to blame, not the companies that meet their demands

Anyone that cries about capitalism, I tell em to go buy at mom and pop stores, then they say "it's too expensive"

I've never purchased a single item off of Amazon, so some of us that talk shit do back it up, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm lucky I don't have to make that choice. That said, there's plenty of people who just buy cheap garbage off of Amazon that could be getting something better, and then end up angry at the whole experience and never learn.

[Badhobz]

we used to buy farm-to-table holiday Luncheon meat


spam was too luxurious.

[whitev70r]

Ken Sim's ABC Vancouver (majority on the council) defeated a motion to densify Shaughnessy neighbourhood.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-neighbourhood

Hmmmm .....

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

we used to buy farm-to-table holiday Luncheon meat


spam was too luxurious.

I still buy this.. and its getting expensive, even dollarama is like $2.25 now... used to be $1.25, than $1.75.. then $2.00 now this...

Still better than 99% of the store that wants smth stupid like $3.75 though...

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

That is the most ridiculous take I've heard on this forum, but then again it's you.

Not everyone is built to be "creative". If everyone was a creative, we wouldn't have the people who do the actual "work".

Being creative or entrepreneurial is often times the luxury of the rich (a socioeconomic status you're a part of). There are many people that don't have the luxury of sitting around on their parent's dime being "creative", able to start or fund a business that isn't economically viable immediately, or even having the capital in the first place to take such a risk.

I think we're talking about different things here, I've never pushed the idea of a simple handout. The problem in this country is that we've created a stiff system of crony capitalism. As it was mentioned earlier in this thread, these "Canadian" companies carry little about Canada, or Canadians.

Why should they be protected and insolated via policy perspective by government, enshrining this system of monopoly in this country? We are socializing risk on the back of taxpayers while privatizing profits.

We are not creative because we killed that with our curriculum. We are not trained to be creative. We are trained to know "how to do" things.

Kids are trained to take everything as given and are given pretty much everything.

My parents didn't really make their money until the later part of my highschool years. But something they have always taught me is to think about how to do it better whether it's for school or whatever. Figure a solution to work things out. Instead of just giving up because of whatever was in my way.

Want to go backpack in Italy with friends? Figure out how to come up with the money.

Want to go to study in North America? Here's your budget for university, no more, no less. Figure your way out on everything from visa to housing.

We are so careful about anything and everything today that we don't allow the society to learn.

I'm only human—an average one at best. So I made a lot of mistakes. And the idea of my folks was always to encourage me to take some risks and learn from mistakes.

My parents were fortunate enough to make some serious dough. But they never showered me and my brother with money. Their connections and experiences made many things easier and take a lot of control on potential mistakes and risks, but we were always left to ourselves to figure things out.

Which I believe is the best way.

Instead of telling kids what to do... let them figure it out. We'd provide as much assistance as we can as parents, but they need to do it themselves.

Instead of giving these people money, we provide them ways to make it. They would always have assistance along the way. But let them figure it out.

My parents started with very little. My dad started working after elementary school. But he never gave up on learning and force himself to write every day. He's got the best Chinese penmanship that I know of. The place we lived in when we first moved to South America was a basement kinda place. It was leaking water and had some weird slimy things on the wall, but that's what we could afford. Second place was a bit better but it was a 2br apartment with 8ppl living in there.

Enough of this hypocrisy "some people just don't have what it takes. You are in a different social circle" blah blah.

Yes, we were fortunate enough to achieve some success financially. But I believe that with some assistance, whether from parents, the gov't or whatever... everyone can achieve some level of success. I'm not saying for everyone to become a millionaire, but to make ends meet, live within your means and be a contributing part of society, I think it's definitely within reach of many if we set up the program accordingly.

[6793026]

Love the creative aspect.

Saw a video - this kid was selling burritos at school and was making a life for himself but got shut down cause you can't sell food (without permit) or run a business.

Next day, he sold napkins at school and gave burritos for free.

That's creative.

[inv4zn]

PP calls the Rainbow bridge car explosion a Terrorist Attack, blames Trudeau.

When called out for not checking facts before calling it a terrorist attack, he then blames "the media".

"The media", in this case CTV, checks timestamps and it turns out the story, which was worded "officials considered the explosion to be linked to terrorism", was run 10 minutes AFTER pp used the term.

[westopher]

These dumb motherfuckers lol. I literally couldn't imagine a less likely avenue for a terrorist attack than a fucking Bentley coupe crashing into a building that would have a maximum of 2 people in it.

[Manic!]

He was probably watching fox news. He should have been watching the CBC.

[JDMDreams]

Who's spying on who now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...ce-background/

[whitev70r]

^ interesting twist!

[underscore]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

PP calls the Rainbow bridge car explosion a Terrorist Attack, blames Trudeau.

When called out for not checking facts before calling it a terrorist attack, he then blames "the media".

"The media", in this case CTV, checks timestamps and it turns out the story, which was worded "officials considered the explosion to be linked to terrorism", was run 10 minutes AFTER pp used the term.

If only there were some way he could gain access to the sensitive gov't security reports. Some kind of confidentiality agreement he could make.

[westopher]

Spends campaign attacking the media
Frothing at the mouth to use misinformation in the media to blame political opponent.
Hmmmmmm where have I seen this before?

[inv4zn]

lol, and he just did it again...
https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...38ad15430.html

An existing trade agreement between Canada and Ukraine was set to be updated and ratified, and PP+Cons all voted against it - PP's reasoning was:

Poilievre says the Tories “stand unequivocally with Ukrainians in their fight for freedom,” and that he is not against previous iterations of the agreement.

But he claimed Trudeau was “betraying Ukraine with this terrible agreement to force a carbon tax on Ukrainians.”

Railing against the federal price on carbon is nothing new for the Conservative leader, who counts “axe the tax” among his most-used slogans.

“Just to show you how pathologically obsessed Trudeau is with his tax, he did something that has never been done in the history of trade agreements, which is to put a carbon tax in one,” Poilievre told reporters Thursday.

“He expects (Ukrainians) to rebuild from a war with a devastating and crippling tax on their energy. The Ukrainian farmers, he expects them to pay a carbon tax while they’re trying to feed their hungry people. This is cruel and frankly, it is disgusting that Trudeau’s ideological obsession with taxing working-class people, seniors and suffering families has come ahead of what should have been a free-trade agreement.”

Except that simply isn't true, and Ukraine has had a carbon tax longer than Canada has.

Spew spew spew, very little facts coming out, mostly just catch phrases to rile up the morons in this country. No actual platform, no alternative solutions, just Trudeau is bad, Trudeau doesn't get anything done, but also Trudeau is evil and is making things worse for everyone.

It's terribly similar to what republicans do with Joe Biden - he's old and senile and useless, but he's also an authoritarian with nefarious reach in every aspect of society who is solely responsible for their shitty lives.

[Manic!]

This is the JT Canadians want to see and a reason why JT may beat pp in the next election.

https://twitter.com/tMayor_McCheese/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[MarkyMark]

People are going to vote with their wallet I believe, we'll see what happens.

[Hondaracer]

This is the type of coalition I can get behind

[donk.]

You would, like to be behind both of them, wouldn't you

[Manic!]

I know pp's bio dad would love to be in that photo.

[SkinnyPupp]

So many boomers on my facebook that hate Justin Trudeau are homosexually obsessed with him, and constantly post pictures of him in sexually explicit poses and outfits. Not surprised to see some of it here from Revscene's resident Boomer. Whatever gets you off!