Canadian politics thread

[MarkyMark]

Who knows what's going to happen, if the conservatives could have just put out someone that didn't come off as a total idiot it would have been a slam dunk as Trudeau running again is basically the Liberals best chance to lose.

The trans one is obvious, for something that's like 0.5% of the population it's fucking everywhere lol. For such a small fraction I sure get a lot of news stories about something I've never once searched for.

[mikemhg]

^It's always been a consorted effort on the right, this whole trans thing is a pump fake to their voters.

They're using the topic of trans people (a very tiny marginalized group, with little support overall) to tie in this entire culture-war crap about gays, feminism, abortion, religious freedoms (for Christians), etc.

It's the same way they use this whole topic of child trafficking, who isn't against children being trafficked? Oh, you don't support Trump and the Republicans? You're a child rapist then, oh but don't look at the church, the very place where most of this stuff actually happens.

We've reached peak idiocrasy.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

well, in every federal building there are tampons in the men's washrooms now... confirmed. lol.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by 68style

Carbon tax is 14 cents a litre

The price swings alone from big oil are 50 cents back and forth every couple months... 14 cents a litre isn't going to change my life in ANY way and I have 5 cars lol

Like what the average person fills up once a week? 60L? $8 in tax a tank? $32 a month? Nah bro... that's barely lunch money.

Yikes, horrifically ignorant take. The issue with the carbon tax isn't what a tiny end user pays at a gas pump, it's the cost per tonne on industry in the country that produces everything from steel and lumber to the food on your plate. It's a serious contributor to inflation, and we're at a time when people are having to skip meals or can't afford housing because everything costs so much. People literally NEED lunch money right across the country

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

And umm, isn't the carbon tax we pay here implemented by the Province. Since umm...checks watch...2008?

Yes but the provincial policy had to meet the federal requirements, QC and NWT do the same. BC still has to follow federal policy on this.

[westopher]

Being that the UK pays less than half of Canada per ton when it comes to their carbon tax, why is their inflation higher than canadas?
Switzerland has a higher price on carbon than Canada, and it has some of the lowest inflation in the world.
Currently Canada has the 10th LOWEST inflation rate in the world. So I don't know, I can't even say that correlation =/= causation here, because there isn't even a correlation. I know it's a great talking point to get people riled up, but that's only because so many people don't seem to bother looking up even the most basic of math, and if they do they have no idea how to interpret it.
Speaking of horrifically ignorant takes.

[twitchyzero]

sauce that canada has 10th lowest inflation?
past year was almost 7%, i find that hard to believe?

[westopher]

Google has multiple hits that say that. It's current, so that's not to say it wasn't higher at points in this cycle.
This is a worldwide problem though, and big surprise, corporate profits are at an all time high.....

[murd0c]

go to the grocery store and look at the prices, inflation is way higher then the 7% they are claiming, way way higher.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

Being that the UK pays less than half of Canada per ton when it comes to their carbon tax, why is their inflation higher than canadas?
Switzerland has a higher price on carbon than Canada, and it has some of the lowest inflation in the world.
Currently Canada has the 10th LOWEST inflation rate in the world. So I don't know, I can't even say that correlation =/= causation here, because there isn't even a correlation. I know it's a great talking point to get people riled up, but that's only because so many people don't seem to bother looking up even the most basic of math, and if they do they have no idea how to interpret it.
Speaking of horrifically ignorant takes.

Bra, BC is almost 25 times the size of Switzerland with Switzerland having a slightly larger population.

Not really apt considering the most basic argument the carbon tax effects in the distribution of goods.

Same goes for UK. You could drive from Dover to Scotland in the time it takes to drive from here to Quesnel.

[JD¹³]

There are a myriad of reasons to why every country is experiencing inflation differently. The UK is a small island nation of over 67 million people with some of the highest population density in Europe, Switzerland is a geographically tiny country of only 8 million. They also have completely different economies and living standards.

Canada has a resource based economy (thus emissions emitting) and is one of the largest land masses in the world. Victoria and St John's are over 5000km apart. Purely from a transportation of goods aspect a carbon tax has a noticeable effect on national industry in Canada. Saying that adding carbon taxes on these goods, which are then taxed again by federal and provincial taxes, which causes the cost of the goods to be higher through all the hands that they change down the line to the end consumer ISN'T correlated to inflation is just sticking your head in the sand sorry. As you state, corporations are taking advantage. The stupidest part of it all is that none of the taxed money goes to green initiatives, it's just a slush fund for the government to waste. That money is FAR better off in our hands.

An individual nations inflation ratio or price on emissions never tells the whole story. Either way the carbon tax needs to go, it is nothing but a virtue signal and economically this is not the time for it to be increasing or charged at all.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by murd0c

go to the grocery store and look at the prices, inflation is way higher then the 7% they are claiming, way way higher.

I believe that'd be where the "corporate profits being at an all time high" part comes in.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Bra, BC is almost 25 times the size of Switzerland with Switzerland having a slightly larger population.

Not really apt considering the most basic argument the carbon tax effects in the distribution of goods.

Same goes for UK. You could drive from Dover to Scotland in the time it takes to drive from here to Quesnel.

Are we getting our goods from northern Manitoba? Might make a difference if that huge mass of land contributed to how far our goods have to travel, but you know that we are a port city right? If you want to talk about how it's creating a problem for Saskatoon, sure, but everything in a Vancouver grocery store isn't travelling further than the groceries need to travel in a country that's 1/100th the size of Canada.

[Hondaracer]

You think all those costs to get those goods all across the country are not passed directly to the consumer regardless of where you live? Of course they are.

Regardless of how much gouging is going on from the distributors side, if there weren’t visible taxes introduced on EVERYTHING ie. carbon tax, there would be much more pressure on those distributors to lower prices as they would have no excuse.

The flights I just booked with air Canada, at check out I had the option to donate money to offset my fucking carbon foot print

You think any other airline in China, the Middle East, etc. Would ever even consider that? Lol. We’ve gone so far off the deep end with this shit we can’t even see the surface anymore.

[68style]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

An individual nations inflation ratio or price on emissions never tells the whole story. Either way the carbon tax needs to go, it is nothing but a virtue signal and economically this is not the time for it to be increasing or charged at all.

When is a good time for you? Would that be before or after you've decided how many virtues shall be signaled or what that even is by your definition... please tell us Mr. Environment Minister with a Science Degree from............. anywhere? No? What about your economics degree? Don't have one of those either? Are you putting your name down to be the next Finance Minister too since you've got it all figured out? Didn't think so. Just a grudge against the current establishment suffices nowadays I suppose.

You've been randomly popping in to tell us all the world is going to end for like 5+ years now

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The flights I just booked with air Canada, at check out I had the option to donate money to offset my fucking carbon foot print

This is different and often scummy and has been going on for many many years before Covid... private companies collecting carbon offset donations and forwarding them to other companies that pretend to fund initiatives. It's got nothing to do with the federal or provincial government or any tax.

On the topic of the tax, you have said yourself that "just doing nothing" isn't a solution on so many other topics... so how come for this one you want to fall back on a "We aren't polluting as much as China/India/other countries so why should we be the first to pay, we should do nothing" argument now? That's rather convenient isn't it? Pick and choose when to do nothing?

[Hondaracer]

lol come on.. do you actually think air Canada would be asking me to donate if there wasn’t this overarching theme of the carbon tax? They are obviously passing on all the costs of this to the end consumer. It’s not like a for-profit publicly traded AIRLINE is doing their part lol.. AC has a fleet of aging planes they can’t afford to replace with their more efficient counterparts, so as the carbon tax increases, so do the cost of airfare.

I’ve always been an advocate of using the resources we have to transition to whatever the fuck the end goal is as opposed to taxing out and actively destroying the one asset Canada actually has. Other governments have done their part, JT and the liberals have sealed the coffin shut.

If a tax adds absolutely nothing tangible, then what it is providing for me? Is the air cleaner because of the carbon tax? Is it doing anything but forcing the bottom end of society into further poverty? Please explain to me what the carbon tax does.

[CivicBlues]

It's not supposed to do anything to save the environment directly. It's supposed to make you think twice before you fill up and go for an unnecessary drive, or plane ride, or buy random shit off of Amazon. It's a punitive tax on carbon, it's not supposed to solve climate change. It's supposed to change your (the peasant's) behavior.

Whether or not that's going to save our Planet when elites jet around in Gulfstreams to lunch in St. Barts is up for debate.

[twitchyzero]

i prefer going to burnaby to get my plastic bag that I was gonna re-use anyways

if they actually went after industrial/commercial waste/pollution then carbon tax might make more sense

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

lol come on.. do you actually think air Canada would be asking me to donate if there wasn’t this overarching theme of the carbon tax? They are obviously passing on all the costs of this to the end consumer. It’s not like a for-profit publicly traded AIRLINE is doing their part lol.. AC has a fleet of aging planes they can’t afford to replace with their more efficient counterparts, so as the carbon tax increases, so do the cost of airfare.

I’ve always been an advocate of using the resources we have to transition to whatever the fuck the end goal is as opposed to taxing out and actively destroying the one asset Canada actually has. Other governments have done their part, JT and the liberals have sealed the coffin shut.

If a tax adds absolutely nothing tangible, then what it is providing for me? Is the air cleaner because of the carbon tax? Is it doing anything but forcing the bottom end of society into further poverty? Please explain to me what the carbon tax does.

Westjet has been offering carbon offset credit purchases for 10+ years. Way before anyone knew about a carbon tax.

It’s not collected by them, it goes to a partner company that (in theory) funds environmental programs like wind generators or tree planting or biodegradable whatevers… that said, in my research, it’s often a bit shammy and those companies (in Westjets case, I sleuthed it out to be a company based in Bellevue) they say in the fine print that they don’t publish what percentage of credits goes to initiatives Vs overhead much like a charity so I felt like it was probably a 1-2 man BS company that keeps 80 cents of ever dollar. For this reason, I have never purchased said offset credits.

It’s not being collected by the airline to offset their fuel purchases. Check the fine print. So yes basically you’re misinterpreting the request.

I just checked AirCanada for you. 1 of their carbon offset partners is 10Tree. That's where the money is going, NOT to Air Canada.

[Hondaracer]

Read this

https://www.burnabynow.com/local-new...n-bail-8062864

[twitchyzero]

the offset credit seemed like a new option to me, didn't realize some have been around that long

feels like those big grocer chains asking on the machine if you want to donate 2$ to kids who cant read good

[donk.]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

The stupidest part of it all is that none of the taxed money goes to green initiatives, it's just a slush fund for the government to waste. .

Keep voting conservative, npd, and liberal everyone! Who cares about the next generation!!!

Its not like there is a green party

[Infiniti]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

The issue with the carbon tax isn't what a tiny end user pays at a gas pump, it's the cost per tonne on industry in the country that produces everything from steel and lumber to the food on your plate.

The data seems to suggest otherwise.

[Manic!]

The Alberta Advantage. This is what happens when you elect an idiot who thought smoking was good for kids.

Alberta drugs bought from Turkey posed serious risks to newborns, documents show
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...clogged-tubes/

Alberta’s use of acetaminophen imported from Turkey increased the risk of a life-threatening illness in neonatal patients, according to provincial government documents detailing some of the issues that plagued Premier Danielle Smith’s $75-million deal for children’s medication last winter.

The documents, obtained by The Globe and Mail through an access to information request, consist of 28 pages of e-mails between officials at Alberta Health, the government ministry and Alberta Health Services, the provincial health authority.

The Alberta government had procured the Turkish acetaminophen from Istanbul-based Atabay Pharmaceuticals to restock empty shelves amid a surge in pediatric respiratory illnesses. The documents show that the imported medication, which is thicker than products typically used by AHS, clogged feeding tubes used to deliver medicine to fragile patients in some instances. Tubes then had to be flushed with water.

Officials determined the higher volume of liquid increased the risk of a complication called necrotizing enterocolitis, which inflames the intestines of infants. Staff were subsequently ordered to stop using the product in neonatal intensive care units in May, according to AHS spokesperson Kerry Williamson, ahead of hospital-wide transition back to standard acetaminophen products in July. It is unclear how long the imported product was used for neonatal patients.

[68style]

I mean, she's a fuckin moron there's no question of that.............. but she and the people who put the order through likely weren't aware of this.. it's a "after the fact, we realized this wasn't such a good idea" thing. There's lots of other stuff to hammer her on for sure but this one feels a bit of a reach, she was trying to do something during a shortage I guess.