Canadian politics thread

[GS8]

Originally Posted by Manic!

People have been saying that since the first pioneers from India came. After a few years their plans change.

The reality is that you cannot come to Canada in poverty, stay in Canada and somehow become rich unless you win the lottery or marry someone rich. You have to cash out and go back to where you came from. Now, if they fix the issue with starting at the bottom, career wise (nurse, doctor, engineer etc.), then maybe these people can have a chance.

Some of the people I spoke to actually regret not going to the US because their currency is better. Again, it's the same delayed memo.

US = bad because guns and racist violence
Canada = good because no guns and racism



It was only after they land here that they realize how stupid they are in believing Canada was better simply because 'it's what tiktok told them' (actual quote).

But they don't complain. Their goals are set and they stick to it. While it's not exactly 10 people in a basement suite. It's more like 4 in a 3 bed townhouse but rents are spiking because more people are moving to the Prairies, so expect to see $2500 / month condos in Winnipeg soon

[Hondaracer]

Look at nursing, you cross the border and do the exact same work, likely far less stressful than in Canada, and you’ll automatically make 25-40% more working 25 km away.

The Canadian dream is spending 75% of your net income on housing while the govt. figures out the most irrelevant bullshit to focus on.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by GS8

The reality is that you cannot come to Canada in poverty, stay in Canada and somehow become rich unless you win the lottery or marry someone rich. You have to cash out and go back to where you came from. Now, if they fix the issue with starting at the bottom, career wise (nurse, doctor, engineer etc.), then maybe these people can have a chance.

Some of the people I spoke to actually regret not going to the US because their currency is better. Again, it's the same delayed memo.

US = bad because guns and racist violence
Canada = good because no guns and racism



It was only after they land here that they realize how stupid they are in believing Canada was better simply because 'it's what tiktok told them' (actual quote).

But they don't complain. Their goals are set and they stick to it. While it's not exactly 10 people in a basement suite. It's more like 4 in a 3 bed townhouse but rents are spiking because more people are moving to the Prairies, so expect to see $2500 / month condos in Winnipeg soon

100% you can. You cannot just do it working 40 hours a week and eating at Cactus. You got to be able to put in the long hours and do every overtime shift you can. But that's the trade you make to get to live in the best country in the world. That's what my parents did.

Here is a truck driver talking about making $2500 in 4 days. https://truckstopcanada.ca/2022/08/1...ays-in-canada/

Right now we have a kid who came to Canada as a student who spend his first to days on the streets of Vancouver getting ready to perform at Coachella. He has also done large tours in India, England and North America including Rogers Arena.

This is the cover of the first issue of Billboard Canada. The 4 guys are all born in India. He is the one in the middle.



From wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Mexican_Americans

For decades in the early 20th century, Punjabi farming families sent their sons out of Punjab to earn money.[1][2] Intending to return to the Indian state of Punjab, only a handful of men brought their wives and families. In the United States, however, due to changed immigration laws it was not possible for the families of Punjabi workers to join them. Beyond this, poor wages and working conditions convinced the Punjabi workers to pool their resources, lease land and grow their own crops, thereby establishing themselves in the newly budding farming economy of northern California.[3]

They are not going back.

[Hondaracer]

Jesus Christ you’re delusional.

[68style]

My parents bought a house for $143,000 in Richmond when they came here too. What the fuck is wrong with all these noobs in 2024 not working hard enough???? lol

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by 68style

My parents bought a house for $143,000 in Richmond when they came here too. What the fuck is wrong with all these noobs in 2024 not working hard enough???? lol

When my parents lived in England my dad worked 12 hour shifts at a steel factory. One of the reasons he moved to Canada is shifts where only 8 hours. He work 6.5 days a week when he came to Quesnel B.C.

One of our former employees came to Canada with his wife and 3 kids just before covid. He was the nephew of my dads friend. He was pretty smart, worked for Dell in India. He worked for us for less than a year. Had multiple job offers. Took a job at a car dealership. Stayed less than a year before he transferred to one to their dealerships on the mainland. His daughter goes to UBC. A few months back saw a facebook post where he was named employee of the month.

It may be harder now but it was always been hard for people who come from places like India. Just wait and see how they are doing 10 years from now.

[68style]

Okay I will wait and see with all the anticipation in the world.

[underscore]

And still none of this is relevant to what the situation is going to be like for refugees coming here. They aren't going to be young single dudes with no dependents.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by underscore

And still none of this is relevant to what the situation is going to be like for refugees coming here. They aren't going to be young single dudes with no dependents.

When they get off the plane here they should all be given a surfboard and told to go ride that Punjabi wave

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Look at nursing, you cross the border and do the exact same work, likely far less stressful than in Canada, and you’ll automatically make 25-40% more working 25 km away.

This is not true -- at least not from the medical professionals that I've talked to.

The US medical field is troublesome because:

1) people are far more likely to sue
2) healthcare plans are a massive clusterfuck, so if you have to deal with billing and what sort of thing is covered and what isn't, it becomes a massive PITA

Malpractice insurance is $$$$ because of #1, and it is still stressful if you're put into a situation where you're being sued. Of course for some, the higher pay would still justify working down in the States. But it is not as enticing as you are trying to make it sound.

[Hondaracer]

My sister has masters in nursing and teaches, wife’s cousin is an ER RN. Both of them had opportunities to go work just across the border to make substantially more money with very little in terms of barriers

The cousin already has a vacation property just across the border and that basically opened all sorts of doors for her, she was even doing interviews for positions. You think working in a private clinic would be more stressful than Surrey memorial ER?

Who is going to sue a nurse or when would a nurse ever have to deal with billing? You work in private clinics/facilities where you’re covered for all that.

On the flip side we have two very good friends who live in Australia, ones an xray tech, once’s a kiniesologist (sp) both are fully credentialed and have been professionals in their fields for more than a decade. They can transfer to the UK and work without barriers almost at will

In Canada they would have to take 2 years of schooling and make 20-40% less than they make in buttfuck no where Australia. Nice system.

[Traum]

Who is going to sue a nurse? Pretty much any patient can sue a nurse. They are the frontline staff that deals with patients everyday.

If a patient decides to sue in the US, you can bet that their lawyer is gonna help them cast a wide net, and sue anyone and everyone that's involved -- the clinic, the doctors, the nurses, the whole shebang. If you don't get malpractice coverage for yourself, you better make sure your workplace has a big enough coverage to keep you protected. But even then, just the stress of having to deal with the lawsuit is not pleasant.

[CivicBlues]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mil...ents-1.7090779

Well looks like the Liberals are finally listening. Although some may see it as a cynical poly to get in ahead of the election and beat the Cons with their playbook.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Jesus Christ you’re delusional.

This is a guy who's entire life is based on nepotism All his properties, investments, V10 R8, et al didn't come from selling cigarettes and scratch 'n sniff lottery tickets at his dads gas station. Of course he's delusional. He's been busted countless times fabricating stories or posting fluff articles to prove some political point he's trying to make, I'm not sure why anyone entertains him honestly.

As for your nursing comparison yes, it's true. A friend of mine has just moved to Arizona from Vancouver as a nurse and she will never come back. From her cost of living alone she's saving 30%, above and beyond her increase in salary in USD and paying less taxes. She's just one example that I know. I'm actively trying to move south as well and many of my friends and industry cohorts are thinking of doing the same. The brain drain is accelerating.

[mikemhg]

Does Manic not realize the Canada his parents came to decades ago is much different than today?

Can you really be that daft?

My Irish family came here in the 60's, my dad came here from Nigeria around the same time. All of them would have a much different experience in terms of wealth accumulation, access to affordable land and property than if they immigrated here today.

Majority of the Irish side of my family who immigrated here took residence in Gibsons, my uncle worked at the Mill out there, able to buy a house and land off essentially a solitary salary. My cousins and extended family ended up working there as well.

If you think someone could immigrate to Canada, work in a pulp mill, buy a house off a single salary and pay off that mortgage in a relatively short amount of time today, you're fucking nuts.

That's just basic facts.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Traum

Who is going to sue a nurse? Pretty much any patient can sue a nurse. They are the frontline staff that deals with patients everyday.

If a patient decides to sue in the US, you can bet that their lawyer is gonna help them cast a wide net, and sue anyone and everyone that's involved -- the clinic, the doctors, the nurses, the whole shebang. If you don't get malpractice coverage for yourself, you better make sure your workplace has a big enough coverage to keep you protected. But even then, just the stress of having to deal with the lawsuit is not pleasant.

Given the sheer volume of both private and public practices in the states, I’m sure they’ve got this handled.

[CivicBlues]

Go read any forum about US v.s. Canada salaries it's a wonder how there's anyone living in Canada anymore.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by Traum

This is not true -- at least not from the medical professionals that I've talked to.

The US medical field is troublesome because:

1) people are far more likely to sue
2) healthcare plans are a massive clusterfuck, so if you have to deal with billing and what sort of thing is covered and what isn't, it becomes a massive PITA

Malpractice insurance is $$$$ because of #1, and it is still stressful if you're put into a situation where you're being sued. Of course for some, the higher pay would still justify working down in the States. But it is not as enticing as you are trying to make it sound.

This is somewhat wrong. My GF is starting her travel nursing this April.

I also have a few friends that are working down there doing the same work, both in Texas, California, Arizona, and North Carolina. One of my good friends has been doing it for a few years now. She was STRUGGLING for years trying to get forward working at Royal Columbian, spinning her tires financially.

She's now been down in the states for a few years now and was able to buy her first house based on the income she made in 1 year alone.

The rest of them all love it down there, yes malpractice exists, but there is insurance you purchase to protect you from that. It might be a bigger issue for doctors, but for nurses, not so much.

Add to that as well, they absolutely love it down there. You're paid more, your housing is measurably cheaper, the hospitals are more advanced, and much nicer.

In a lot of ways it's a no brainer.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Does Manic not realize the Canada his parents came to decades ago is much different than today?

Can you really be that daft?

My Irish family came here in the 60's, my dad came here from Nigeria around the same time. All of them would have a much different experience in terms of wealth accumulation, access to affordable land and property than if they immigrated here today.

Majority of the Irish side of my family who immigrated here took residence in Gibsons, my uncle worked at the Mill out there, able to buy a house and land off essentially a solitary salary. My cousins and extended family ended up working there as well.

If you think someone could immigrate to Canada, work in a pulp mill, buy a house off a single salary and pay off that mortgage in a relatively short amount of time today, you're fucking nuts.

That's just basic facts.

Outside of Manics dream of 8 guys sharing hot beds in a basement suite, we can do some basic math to see how unrealistic his claims are.

Say $1800 a month anywhere in the lower mainland for a 1br rental

$800 a month in food and consumables.

You’re sitting at $31,000 per year with NOTHING else.

Some uneducated, or even educated foreigner moving here would likely be incredibly happy making 65k a year. What’s the take home on a 65k salary? 45?

Now try and save up to purchase the same place you’re renting. Or save for ANYTHING, what’s it going to take to save 150k? 20 years?

But hey.. there’s always the slim chance you could wind up on Indian idol and singing at Coachella!

[underscore]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Go read any forum about US v.s. Canada salaries it's a wonder how there's anyone living in Canada anymore.

Live here and work remotely for a US company. Get their salary without having to deal with the bs of actually living down there. I'll gladly take their money but I've been down there enough to know I'd never want to live there.

[6793026]

the only issue to worry about for travel nursing, if you're caught at hte border.. aren't you going to get in a lot of crap?

again.. just wondering..

[westopher]

Originally Posted by 6793026

the only issue to worry about for travel nursing, if you're caught at hte border.. aren't you going to get in a lot of crap?

again.. just wondering..

Well you don't just go without the proper credentials lol. You need all the paperwork to be legally allowed to work before you can work. You also have to figure out the tax part of it depending on where you are living and for how long.
We have big regrets not taking advantage of that, but I would have had to leave my job to do it, and then Covid hit, now we'd never do it with a kid. Any extra money my wife made would be offset by my paycut most likely.

[Hondaracer]

Yea the situations I outlined and I’m sure others are talking about are all completely legitimate.

If you were caught crossing the border to work in some clinic as a nurse without proper documentation you’d likely be banned from the states

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by underscore

Live here and work remotely for a US company. Get their salary without having to deal with the bs of actually living down there. I'll gladly take their money but I've been down there enough to know I'd never want to live there.

You open up the potential of getting taxed in both countries doing this depending on your contract and employer. CRA would convert your USD salary to CAD and go in dry. It defeats the purpose, the only way to truly take advantage is to move out of country and eliminate all forms of Canadian residency on paper and live abroad (anywhere) with your Canadian citizenship. It's the only way to escape the CRA.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

You open up the potential of getting taxed in both countries doing this depending on your contract and employer. CRA would convert your USD salary to CAD and go in dry. It defeats the purpose, the only way to truly take advantage is to move out of country and eliminate all forms of Canadian residency on paper and live abroad (anywhere) with your Canadian citizenship. It's the only way to escape the CRA.

As with everything it depends on what you want. For my purposes it works great. I make more than I would for a purely Canadian company but I still get to live here.