Canadian politics thread

[68style]

Where do you do your banking man?

Legit never seen. Maybe try a diff branch? lol

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by unit

they are just looking for more liberal policies to criticize to gain more attention. drug decriminalization was extremely unpopular so they know they can just dunk on it for an easy 2 points for their base.
now they can just keep saying "another failed liberal policy..."

Yea.. you can dunk on a failed policy.. when it fails..

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

Where do you do your banking man?

Legit never seen. Maybe try a diff branch? lol

East Van, South Van, etc.

My buddy filmed a guy taking a shit basically inside the doors of the kits Safeway.

It’s everywhere.

[68style]

I go out all the time in multiple cities in the lower mainland including downtown Van twice a week and never seen it... must just be lucky... or it's not everywhere. I'm not trying to mock you, but maybe just cuz you see something a couple times it doesn't mean something's an epidemic or it's everywhere or all the time?

Sometimes there's a dude or 2 passed out on the Canada line though. Not every time... but like once a month?

Also doesn't the bank bear some responsibility too? They should be instituting better measures for their customers, they have literally billions of dollars at their disposal which is way more than you, me, the police or any government has.

[Hondaracer]

Sure, but my point is, this visibility into these issues have increased substantially with the decriminalization

As I’ve said before, I’m all for recovery and support, I’d even be into paying more taxes if they could effectively implement. Who wants to see this national disgrace that the DTES is right at our door.

All decriminalization did was victimize “regular” people at the expense of drug users.

[Manic!]

Honda tell me again the cons don't want to ban abortion.

Twitter

[68style]

I cannot understand why right wingers hinge their existence on stopping what amounts to, in most cases, keeping mostly a bunch of teenagers or unprepared girls from trying to correct a bad decision.

It's bizarre. There are so many tinfoil hat issues or government oversight rabbit holes to go down or heck even beat the drum of the "Conservatives are better at managing money" however false that narrative is... but abortion? It's so wacky.

I get why they went that route in the USA, way more religious zealots down there and it's just step 1 in undermining a whole bunch of other rights and freedoms through a slanted Supreme Court nowadays... but up here it's just not going to fly. PP might as well light himself on fire, Canadians don't want what he's preaching.

[Hondaracer]

Ya lost me at that Ukraine flag in his X name sorry

Can’t wait to see Canadas wild ride play out, Turd put us in a tail spin and PP put us into the ground?

I think your angle or whatever this is that I support PP is misguided? I have conservative values and prefer conservative type approaches to law and order and the judicial system, I’ve never once said I actually support PP directly, I think he’s a fucking clown as well.

But the cons get my vote because there’s no other option and generally, their party values align closer to mine than whatever the fuck we are seeing from the liberals these days. And I can pretty much guarantee the vast majority of Canadians feel the same in that it’s time for anyone but the Liberals.

[Hondaracer]

So the feds reinstate the criminalization of drug use in public spaces today, and this is an actual quote from the liberal minister who spoke about it:

From todays press conference.: "Moving forward to any kind of pilot like the one in B.C., we know that we have to have a balance, public safety and public health," she said. "That means there needs to be sufficient health services in place, scaled out to meet people where they're at, and also law enforcement to have the tools that they need to ensure that public safety is a priority"

Lol EXACTLY what I just said on the last page??.. we are such a joke.

The fact that they pulled this 180 at the federal level in a matter of days with ZERO push back or disscussion obviously 100000% reinforces my previous statements as well.

If this was a matter of “oh you know, it’s kind of worse” or “you know.. I don’t really see a difference” there would not even be a discussion. The fact that it went back to the feds and it flipped on a dime in a matter of days goes to show A) it’s a VERY real, visible problem, as I’ve already said and B) they have the data to back this up.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by 68style

I cannot understand why right wingers hinge their existence on stopping what amounts to, in most cases, keeping mostly a bunch of teenagers or unprepared girls from trying to correct a bad decision.

It's bizarre. There are so many tinfoil hat issues or government oversight rabbit holes to go down or heck even beat the drum of the "Conservatives are better at managing money" however false that narrative is... but abortion? It's so wacky.

Politically, they seem to need to do this because the extreme right are very politically active. This has backfired on center right (see wildrose takeover of UCP).

IMO every right wing party needs to flirt with and manage tension with the far right if they don't want to get replaced.

[Great68]

I just have missed the part where the conservatives said their platform was going to provide the support service s you speak of.

What even is their platform? because right now it just seems "opposite of what Trudeau does"

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Great68

I just have missed the part where the conservatives said their platform was going to provide the support service s you speak of.

What even is their platform? because right now it just seems "opposite of what Trudeau does"

Why would they have to propose anything? They have no power, the NDP won’t back them.

The opposite of the liberals sounds like a winning strategy, even without any sort of plan outlined.

[westopher]

They will fix housing, drug use and healthcare.
How? Nobody has any fuckin idea. It's a secret but Canada will be a utopia with the flick of a switch and absolutely no plans.

[Hondaracer]

It’s the best it’s ever been right now, so I guess it’s all downhill for them

We live in a democracy, Canadians will vote the way in which they feel will guide the country in the right direction. If the majority votes that way, what else is there to do but accept it.

A decade of the liberals and the country is in terrible shape, at the very least, it’s time to try something new. We can go through a decade of the other guy before the next round of bullshit

We’ve gone through a decade of a federal govt. trying their hardest to appeal to fringe minority groups and sending money abroad because we have a terrible global reputation. If you’re not going to meet your goals globally, you’d think we’d be living far better internally, but that’s hardly the case.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

We live in a democracy, Canadians will vote the way in which they feel will guide the country in the right direction. If the majority votes that way, what else is there to do but accept it.

Holy fuck take your own advice for the last 5 years bud lol.

I wish someone would swoop in and save us from our options at this point, but realistically we are just along for the ride with our crackhead downstairs neighbour.

[Hehe]

The problem with Western society's politics is that we have a whole bunch of pussies.

We disguise problems as being compassionate or "what people would want". Yet, there is no tolerance for things that aren't the problem.

Take gun control as an example... we keep adding limitations on gun laws and what does it affect at the end? Law-abiding gun owners. Your gun license is basically bye-bye in the most tedious of things. I don't put a lock on restricted firearms, buh-bye license. I keep a loaded firearm, regardless with or without lock, bye license.
Criminals are not going to give a flying fuck about gun controls.

And is gun ownership really the problem? No. It's the penalty. Our society is too lenient on crimes. The opportunity cost of a crime involving a firearm is too little. Make every shooter pay. Intentionally threatening someone with firearms? 10yrs in prison. Intentionally hurting someone with firearms? 25yrs in prison. Intentionally killing someone with firearms? Life-setence. All that without the possibility of parole. Make it so that the cost of not following the law is extremely high. Anything not for self-defense is a crime.

Same thing goes with drugs. You get caught using illegal drugs, mandatory rehab until you are fully sober, minimum 3 months. You get caught selling/trafficking illegal drugs, minimum 15yrs in prison. You get caught making illegal drugs, minimum 25yrs in prison. Again, all without the possibility of parole if done intentionally.

Want to fix housing affordability? Kill any by-laws or development restrictions (other than separating residential, commercial and industrial areas and some requirements for safety/environmental reasons) and increase FAR/FSR all to 3.0 minimum.

Don't elect officials who can make easy decisions. Elect those who are willing to make the difficult decisions.

We elected a bunch of officials who deal with nothing but soft issues such as abortion, sending money to fund a war, dealing with hate speech... etc. And yet when it comes to hard decisions such as going hard on drugs, crimes and housing... they go soft.

Don't try to tax or conversely fund your way out of a problem. Keep throwing money on drugs and crimes would not solve them. Make it harsh and strictly enforce it and the problem would go away. Thousands, if not millions are willing to break the law if the consequence is only a few month/years in prison given enough incentive. There aren't many incentives one can offer me if I need to exchange it with 10yrs of my life locked up.

Funding Ukraine would not stop the war. Make it harsh for anything that use anything Russian. China/India use Russian oil? 1000% duty on anything made in those countries until they stop importing stuff from Russia. Russia can continue the war because their cost is too little. They can't sell their stuff to EU/NA? They sell it to China and India. They would take them because it's so cheap. And they can then make stuff to sell to EU/NA on the cheap.

[68style]

Where are al these pussies you speaketh of... I feel like as I et older there' a distinct lack of them and they're that much harder to get and I don't like it

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Funding Ukraine would not stop the war. Make it harsh for anything that use anything Russian. China/India use Russian oil? 1000% duty on anything made in those countries until they stop importing stuff from Russia. Russia can continue the war because their cost is too little. They can't sell their stuff to EU/NA? They sell it to China and India. They would take them because it's so cheap. And they can then make stuff to sell to EU/NA on the cheap.

How fast you gonna get voted out when everyone's iPhone costs $15,000 with your 1000% duty man? Nevermind all the other stuff everyone takes forgranted that they use every day. Our country would grind to an absolute halt and descend into utter chaos.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by 68style

How fast you gonna get voted out when everyone's iPhone costs $15,000 with your 1000% duty man? Nevermind all the other stuff everyone takes forgranted that they use every day. Our country would grind to an absolute halt and descend into utter chaos.

Apple has 130B in cash or cash-equivalent and its corporate debt has one of the lowest interest rate on the market. Countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, and even Mexico can fill the void within a matter of days given enough incentive. Disruption? sure. But it won't take long.

This very same mentality of "oh, what if xxx happens when you do that" is EXACTLY what our pussy politicians are... well... pussies. They fear what *might* go wrong without having the slightest idea of what actually happens.

It's like Google Glass... people were screaming about "oh... it's such an invasion of privacy and we need to ban it"... when that thing was a beta product that's out of reach for most people. They killed innovation before it's anywhere of being ready.

The market adjusts far faster in this age than ever in any time in human history thanks to advancements in telecommunication and logistics. No one is so dominated in this world where they are irreplaceable. Apple can fund an entire production line like nothing ever happened with its warchest. An entire Foxconn factory requires about 1B in investment... add another 50% because one wants it to happen ASAP. Apple can build 10 of those without breaking a sweat.

There are only a handful of countries in the world that are self-sufficient in the worst case scenario for basic necessities (food, water and energy), and Russia isn't one of those. Some say "oh... this isn't right for Russian people because it's their gov't deciding to go to war". They elected Putin. Given enough pain... they will overthrow Putin. As powerful as Hitler in Germany, Napoleon in France or Caesar in Rome, they were overthrown one way or another because their people were feeling pain.

[68style]

I don't think elections in places like Russia are held fairly... or it's kinda hard to lose when everyone who runs against you dies?

It think you're slightly discounting the fallout of some of these policies, but they're all what if scenarios so nobody can prove it one way or another.

That said we do have prior experience with running a country that's 'misbehaving" into the ground... ala Germany after WW1 and look how that went? They rebuilt with a giant anti-western chip on their shoulder and a crazy auotocrat leader voila WW2.

[westopher]

Damn I forgot how well the war on drugs went. We should do that again for sure.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by 68style

I don't think elections in places like Russia are held fairly... or it's kinda hard to lose when everyone who runs against you dies?

Come on, it's totally believable that in a fair election a candidate can win every single region in the country by 80% or more of the vote....

[GLOW]

so if i don't want to vote JT or PP who's left as a reasonable option?

Jagmeet?

abstain?

[bcrdukes]

Hondaracer for prime minster

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hehe

There are only a handful of countries in the world that are self-sufficient in the worst case scenario for basic necessities (food, water and energy), and Russia isn't one of those. Some say "oh... this isn't right for Russian people because it's their gov't deciding to go to war". They elected Putin. Given enough pain... they will overthrow Putin. As powerful as Hitler in Germany, Napoleon in France or Caesar in Rome, they were overthrown one way or another because their people were feeling pain.

Dude you need a fucking history lesson, none of these guys were overthrown by their own people. They were either invaded and taken down by foreign armies or murdered by their own elites (Caesar). I can't think of any case of a leader outside of African kleptocracies that were "overthrown" in the past 50 years. Maybe Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines and Suharto in Indonesia but these were due to internal economic issues not sanctions.