Canadian politics thread

[Badhobz]

He should change his last name to gropely

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...xamined-by-pm/

Lol, just come into Canada, overstay your visa and apply for a work permit or PR.

What a slap in the face to everyone who came to Canada legally.

[westopher]

Behind a paywall.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...xamined-by-pm/

Lol, just come into Canada, overstay your visa and apply for a work permit or PR.

What a slap in the face to everyone who came to Canada legally.

Canada has a history of sending back minorities even if they came here legally.

[Badhobz]

Lousy stinking immigrants….

[Razor Ramon HG]

Originally Posted by westopher

Behind a paywall.

The federal cabinet could discuss plans as early as next week to provide a path to citizenship for thousands of migrants living in Canada without valid documents, including rejected asylum seekers, so they can remain here legally.

Immigration Minister Marc Miller is preparing a plan for discussion by cabinet before Parliament breaks for its summer recess within weeks.

It would propose that people living in Canada without legal status – including former international students whose study permits have expired – have a chance to apply to regularize their position and gain permanent residence.

Depending on the numbers who apply, the government may consider staggering the granting of permanent residence to undocumented migrants over several years to avoid a sudden surge, granting them work permits first.

Last year, Ottawa froze the number of permanent residents it aims to welcome to Canada for 2026 at 500,000 in the face of shrinking public support for immigration.

The federal government has also stuck with its targets of 485,000 permanent residents for 2024, and 500,000 for 2025.

Polls have shown a sharp drop in public support for immigration as Canadians increasingly associate a lack of affordable housing with an influx of newcomers.

But Syed Hussan, executive director, Migrant Workers Alliance for Change, said people who are living and working here already would not apply additional pressure on housing.

He said regularizing the status of migrants who are living here could also lead to the injection of billions of dollars into the economy. He said a program to give status to people living in Canada would be a “litmus test” of the government’s commitment to support migrants.

Many migrants without valid papers have been working here for decades and have children but risk deportation because they overstayed in Canada or have been denied the right to remain.

People who entered the country legally, including as temporary workers, but remained here after their visas expired are among those who could qualify to stay, rather than facing deportation.

In an interview with The Globe and Mail last year, Mr. Miller estimated hundreds of thousands of people may be living in the country without valid documents. He said he plans to present a proposal to cabinet in the spring on allowing undocumented immigrants to “regularize their status.”

Two well-placed sources whom The Globe is not naming because they are not authorized to speak on the matter, said the cabinet is on track to discuss his proposal.

The plan would fulfill the Prime Minister’s mandate letter to former immigration minister Sean Fraser in 2021, which asked him to “further explore ways of regularizing status for undocumented workers who are contributing to Canadian communities.”

A number of countries have introduced plans to allow migrants without correct papers to regularize their status.

In Ireland, a program launched in 2022 ran for six months and gave people who had lived there for four years the chance to apply for official permission to remain.

Canada is also expected to insist that migrants have lived in communities for some time, and have not just arrived. People who have committed serious crimes and terrorist offences would also be barred from the program and would still face deportation.

FYI, you can usually get around paywalls by just pausing the page during loading.

[Hondaracer]

More sandwhich artists and bagel burners

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

More sandwhich artists and bagel burners

What do you have against min wage workers. Did you apply at tim's at one point and not get hired? Just because someone works a win wage job does not make them a loser.

[Badhobz]

The guy who makes my subway sandwiches downtown has an MBA from some university in India. I forgot which.

Hes the nicest guy ever so I asked him why he’s working at subway. He’s like ohhh too many IT guys right now, I can’t even get a good job in IT so I gotta do this in the meantime. He also drives Uber at night all so he can afford his rent of 2200 a month.

Pretty rough out there.

[Manic!]

A lot of these people working mcjobs are brought in as temporary foreign workers. They have to work at that place for 3 years before they can get there PR. Does not matter what there educational background is.

[Traum]

From my own experience in working with Indians in the IT sector, academic credentials from India is often a mixed bag though. Many with a computer science university degree knows little more than a regular kid in highschool. Some with a so-called Masters degree seem to know about as much as a 1st or 2nd year ugrad kid. And then of course there are people with the expected amount of knowledge and experience as their credentials suggest.

Essentially, just their education level alone really doesn't give you a good grasp of how capable they are. People graduating from reputable Canadian post secondary institutions are far more consistent in how capable they are.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Originally Posted by Traum

From my own experience in working with Indians in the IT sector, academic credentials from India is often a mixed bag though. Many with a computer science university degree knows little more than a regular kid in highschool. Some with a so-called Masters degree seem to know about as much as a 1st or 2nd year ugrad kid. And then of course there are people with the expected amount of knowledge and experience as their credentials suggest.

Essentially, just their education level alone really doesn't give you a good grasp of how capable they are. People graduating from reputable Canadian post secondary institutions are far more consistent in how capable they are.

I also work in the IT industry and can agree with the above statement. I've experienced too many first hand experiences during interviews and third hand experiences from friends and family also in IT to know that it's not an uncommon situation among Indian nationals.

The last couple rounds of hiring I've been involved with, I wouldn't even bother with any foreign nationals that didn't graduate with a Canadian degree/diploma unless they already had a few years of work experience. Of course, I would prioritize local Canadians above all - why hire a foreigner when a local needs the job?

I think the worst situation I've been a part of was when my boss hired an Indian national out of Ontario to assist us with Linux work. He was excellent during his remote interview, but when he started working everyone knew was an absolute idiot. He ended up getting fired after two weeks and we still had to pay him. Pretty sure that dude swapped places with someone else for the interview.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Manic!

A lot of these people working mcjobs are brought in as temporary foreign workers. They have to work at that place for 3 years before they can get there PR. Does not matter what there educational background is.

So you take away jobs that were made for kids to get work experience and hand them to the Indian guy because he’s more ignorant of labour laws and will do pretty much anything he’s asked.

[Badhobz]

I’ll take manic people over the lousy gen z interns I’m getting.

Fuck those kids and their gay ass pronouns

[bcrdukes]

I think the problem is locals do not want to do the McJobs. They want CEO-paying jobs w/o putting any effort.

This is why foreign nationals are covering the skillset gap.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

I think the problem is locals do not want to do the McJobs. They want CEO-paying jobs w/o putting any effort.

This is why foreign nationals are covering the skillset gap.

Back a few decades ago when we were all in secondary/post-secondary education, these lower paying jobs were basically all occupied by local students and older immigrants (e.g. aunties and uncles).

I find it a bit hard to believe that nowadays the same demographic (students/immigrants) don't need work considering the rising cost of living.

[bcrdukes]

What cost of living? Their parents are covering their expenses.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

Back a few decades ago when we were all in secondary/post-secondary education, these lower paying jobs were basically all occupied by local students and older immigrants (e.g. aunties and uncles).

I find it a bit hard to believe that nowadays the same demographic (students/immigrants) don't need work considering the rising cost of living.

A few decades ago how many places where open 24/7? During a weekday a high school kid only has a small window of time he can work. Maybe 4 to 11. If kids are playing sports or other after school activities even less. Plus some parents want their kids to focus on school.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I just feel like there is this assumption that no one wants to work an entry level job when in reality it's probably not as simple as that.

There are examples out there of people of all ages unable to find entry level work for months, especially in Ontario where the bulk of new temporary foreigner workers and international students are landing.

This is a genuine question, but have folks ever wondered and asked themselves if there are potentially other reasons why entry level employers (especially franchised businesses) such as Walmart and Tim Hortons are increasingly being staffed by people from only one race?

I quite frankly believe it to be a hiring bias by managers and I do not think it's a stretch all things considered.

Look into the situation enough and you see examples of rampant discrimination (at least within the Indian community) when it comes to housing, employment, etc. Caste-based discrimination was serious enough that the Toronto school board banned it due to the increasing South Asian population over there.

[Manic!]

We have had a business for over 30 years. For the first 25 even non family member who we hired was pretty much white. We would put a sign on our door and we would get some resumes but that dried up. We would be lucky to get 2 or 3 resumes a month. Many of them would flake out before we even hired them.

I know a Costco lifer. He tells me they have job fairs because they are so desperate for workers. Maybe they would find 2 or 3 to hire. Some of those would not even last a day. They would quite mid shift.

Another person I know owns a bunch of fast food places and has over 400 employee's. Years ago he started bringing in workers from the Philippines and India because he could not find locals. None of them would ever call in saying they can't come into work because there boyfriend of 2 months sisters best friends cousins having a birthday party at cactus and she has to be there. Next day they come in begging for more shifts because they work a min wage job and went to cactus and blew there budget.

Razor you will have no problem finding a job if you want one. I bet you will have multiple offers. If you need help let me know.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I've been happily employed for several years now at my current employer. Although being in IT, I imagine that if I were to be laid off over the next little bit that it could be tough given the current job market (or so I've been told).

On the opposite end of the spectrum, today's youth aren't as lucky. Youth unemployment (15-24) is at 12.8% with many new graduates as part of that percentage. It's not weird to assume that those same graduates will start looking for a job to hold them over temporarily, in which case they'll then have to compete with all the temporary foreign workers.

Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in a situation where their parents can subsidize all their costs and give them allowances, which is why I thought it was such a weird take to assume no one wanted to work an entry level job.

[Manic!]

I'm sorry you may lose your jub but are you really going to work at mcdicks if you do?

[Razor Ramon HG]

Originally Posted by Manic!

I'm sorry you may lose your jub but are you really going to work at mcdicks if you do?

If I was suddenly laid off, couldn't find a job for months, and I was offered a position why not?

You can only send out so many resumes per day. Bills stack up and emergency funds get drained.

People that got laid off during COVID did anything they could to survive.

Don't really get what your point is.

[Razor Ramon HG]

BTW, I'm not against temporary foreigner workers as I know they're necessary for certain positions.

What I am against is allowing more temporary foreign workers and international students into Canada in a massive influx all in a short period of time, especially when a large majority is all coming from one particular country.

It's pretty much why I shared that PEI protest thing since it's so ridiculous that a bunch of non-skilled workers are protesting and demanding work permits when we already have enough unskilled labour.

[Hondaracer]

What does giving an unskilled Indian guy a job for 3 years to get PR provide for Canadian society?

If anything it’s time to start shutting down the places that require this TFW labour as opposed to bringing more people in for the sake of fast food and delivery jobs.