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From my own experience in working with Indians in the IT sector, academic credentials from India is often a mixed bag though. Many with a computer science university degree knows little more than a regular kid in highschool. Some with a so-called Masters degree seem to know about as much as a 1st or 2nd year ugrad kid. And then of course there are people with the expected amount of knowledge and experience as their credentials suggest.
Essentially, just their education level alone really doesn't give you a good grasp of how capable they are. People graduating from reputable Canadian post secondary institutions are far more consistent in how capable they are.
ive been to india a few times and they have engineering schools all over the place, many of which do not look like something you would want to brag about attending. it was my impression that credentials are thrown around all over the place over there.
even the worthless diploma mills over here do the same thing. we had a bunch of applicants that had an mba or were studying for one, and when you look at the school it's like 'coquitlam college' or 'oxford international college' or something like that. absolutely useless degrees.
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I'd argue that an even more important part of all this is it doesn't do much for the Indian guy either. This is all about keeping our corporate overlords (and lobbyists) able to get cheap labour.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
This is a genuine question, but have folks ever wondered and asked themselves if there are potentially other reasons why entry level employers (especially franchised businesses) such as Walmart and Tim Hortons are increasingly being staffed by people from only one race?
it's simple, they are either students or here for their PR and the immigration company has set them up in those positions as higher ups on paper to allow them to work as valuable team members. once they arrive they are paid min wage to do normal jobs there, and have to repay the wage difference to their employer. the employer benefits by having employees that complain less because they don't have a choice, and the employee has to stay for 2-3 years. if you hire a local kid, they will not show up sometimes, not want to work bad shifts, will complain about pay and working conditions, and then leave with no warning.
^chinamenz and Chinawomenz dont wanna do hard work anymore. At least in vancouver it was always the East Indians and the Chinese thats were the largest immigration groups.
So you take out the chinamenz and womenz and youre left with Manics people filling these jobs.
Shit, better than having Hondaracer do it. Can you imagine the amount of sass he would inflict on the customer?!
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I’m sure there are a million examples but shit company Telus was known for abusing TFW but they do it under the guise of contractors.
There are plenty of stories of the buddy guy on his TFW permit signing a “contract” to work for one of the technician contractors only to realize you’re making less than minimum wage because your contract is structured in a way where making min is based on making sales within your jobs.
So now you’ve got 1 guy, overseeing 5 completely incompetent technicians, literally the blind leading the blind, and Telus fought the union ultimately decimating the local work force in favour for these arrangements.
I frequently ran into these situations where 3 guys were on site doing the job that 1 normal Telus tech would be doing, and all 3 would be on the phone with the head guy getting a fucking walk-through on how to do their job.
In what world does having 3 guys plus a guy coaching them on the phone make sense? In the Telus world where this shows up as profit VS paying a “Canadian” Telus tech full wage and benefits?
It’s fucking grosssssss
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even the worthless diploma mills over here do the same thing. we had a bunch of applicants that had an mba or were studying for one, and when you look at the school it's like 'coquitlam college' or 'oxford international college' or something like that. absolutely useless degrees.
are these 'schools' really permitted to advertise/sell MBA's and call them "master degrees"?
are the MBA's recognized/accredited? i think that's the most important.
it's like going to a small canadian engineering school no one's heard of, as long as it's recognized and you can still get a PEng and meets the min. academic requirements, i don't care if no one's heard of it.
ive been to india a few times and they have engineering schools all over the place, many of which do not look like something you would want to brag about attending. it was my impression that credentials are thrown around all over the place over there.
even the worthless diploma mills over here do the same thing. we had a bunch of applicants that had an mba or were studying for one, and when you look at the school it's like 'coquitlam college' or 'oxford international college' or something like that. absolutely useless degrees.
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I'm reading you guys arguing while we're out here getting tanned in Mexico. Speaking of immigration, notably the massive increase in Indian nationals, one story I've been hearing in Mexico from locals is our changes to the Visa requirements for Mexicans?
I have a few friends down here (Mexicans) and they're complaining about how much harder it is for them to visit Canada since we changed the Visa requirements last year? I've heard nothing about this, so I'm finding this interesting. Started reading about this today:
This is a genuine question, but have folks ever wondered and asked themselves if there are potentially other reasons why entry level employers (especially franchised businesses) such as Walmart and Tim Hortons are increasingly being staffed by people from only one race?
I've been asking this all the time, it's my fault for being lazy and not researching this more, but the answer "local kids are lazy and don't show up" isn't selling to me.
I feel like there's more to this, and I've been racking my brain to figure it out. This can't just be coincidental, I've heard stories from friends with teenagers and they can't get an entry level job for the life of them, meanwhile we're seeing these jobs staffed by Indian nationals.
Minimum wage laws are enshrined, so they can't be paying them less, I wonder if it's the maximum hour requirements? From my understanding, international students can only work 20-hours per week while in school?
Wouldn't this mean you can essentially keep them on part-time status, eliminating the need to provide benefits as you would for an FTE? In that case you'd be incentivized to hire an international student worker, as opposed to a local who can work higher hours, and potentially be eligible for benefits, based on whatever threshold that company carries to be considered full-time?
Eliminating the need for benefits and any other contributions a company would provide for a regular employee is obviously the model a lot of these companies are following.
As a local kid looking for a job, who would want to go work at Walmart etc. and sign a contract saying you’re basically expendable at any moment.
I don’t blame kids or local people for not signing up to be a literal wage slave with no benefits or really path for profession at these business who are clearly working around labour laws in order to staff.
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Wouldn't this mean you can essentially keep them on part-time status, eliminating the need to provide benefits as you would for an FTE? In that case you'd be incentivized to hire an international student worker, as opposed to a local who can work higher hours, and potentially be eligible for benefits, based on whatever threshold that company carries to be considered full-time?
How many high school kids are available enough hours to qualify for benefits? Either way you just don't schedule them for more than X hours. When I was a kid there were lots of postings for 15/20/30/35hr per week positions for that reason.
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You can get full benefits as a part time worker, if you’re designated as temporary-part time however, you probably get nothing. Which is presumably how most of these TFW workers are employed.
Why would you need benefits? Just show up at the hospital for your ailments.
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How many high school kids are available enough hours to qualify for benefits? Either way you just don't schedule them for more than X hours. When I was a kid there were lots of postings for 15/20/30/35hr per week positions for that reason.
Probably nothing to do with benefits for most employers. I believe that you need to maintain full time hours to keep benefits at most entry level retail nowdays - e.g. Superstore, Save-on-Food, etc.
When I was in high school/university, I worked 3 shifts a week at Superstore. I got lucky because I got grandfathered into the union shortly after I started and was able to keep benefits with as low as 10 hours a week.
Both unit and Manic mentioned it, but it's probably due to hiring managers preferring temporary foreign workers because they are more likely to do show up on time, not call in sick, etc.
Not that great for younger Canadians trying to break into the workforce or looking for summer jobs.
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If I was suddenly laid off, couldn't find a job for months, and I was offered a position why not?
You can only send out so many resumes per day. Bills stack up and emergency funds get drained.
People that got laid off during COVID did anything they could to survive.
Don't really get what your point is.
You are way over qualified for a job at McDonald's. If you got a job at McDonald's you would quit as soon as you got a better offer. Then they would have find and train another person to replace you. You would be better off working for uber eats or skip.
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BTW, I'm not against temporary foreigner workers as I know they're necessary for certain positions.
What I am against is allowing more temporary foreign workers and international students into Canada in a massive influx all in a short period of time, especially when a large majority is all coming from one particular country.
It's pretty much why I shared that PEI protest thing since it's so ridiculous that a bunch of non-skilled workers are protesting and demanding work permits when we already have enough unskilled labour.
Do we have enough unskilled labour? Multiple tims in town are not 24/7 anymore and the ones that are have closed the inside so drive thru only.
What happened to all the Filipinos who used to work at Tims and Home Depot, et al.? DId they all get deported? What about the ones who were citizens? Are they all on EI and living off on the grace of their family? Sad if that's what happened to them. I swear less than 5 years ago everyone was Flip, now it's all Brown.
What happened to all the Filipinos who used to work at Tims and Home Depot, et al.? DId they all get deported? What about the ones who were citizens? Are they all on EI and living off on the grace of their family? Sad if that's what happened to them. I swear less than 5 years ago everyone was Flip, now it's all Brown.
They all got better jobs. Doing things like support care for old people. No one is going to work at tims all there lives.
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I'm reading you guys arguing while we're out here getting tanned in Mexico. Speaking of immigration, notably the massive increase in Indian nationals, one story I've been hearing in Mexico from locals is our changes to the Visa requirements for Mexicans?
I have a few friends down here (Mexicans) and they're complaining about how much harder it is for them to visit Canada since we changed the Visa requirements last year? I've heard nothing about this, so I'm finding this interesting. Started reading about this today:
How come my Mexican friends are having a hard time while Tejinder and Parm can come here no problem? Reasons?
India's are coming via South America. They land in South America and hike to the USA. Look up Donkey USA video's on youtube. You can see video's of them in the jungle. If they die there bodies are just left there. The conditions are very poor little food and shelter.
A lot of Mexicans are coming in now for construction and farming. Have seen a massive increase in Mexicans coming into our store most doing construction.
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You are way over qualified for a job at McDonald's. If you got a job at McDonald's you would quit as soon as you got a better offer. Then they would have find and train another person to replace you. You would be better off working for uber eats or skip.
Yeah, I agree, but you asked if I would work at McDonalds.
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Do we have enough unskilled labour? Multiple tims in town are not 24/7 anymore and the ones that are have closed the inside so drive thru only.
163 pages of results including 17 jobs in Surrey alone.
Just because there are a lot of job postings on Walmart's website doesn't necessarily mean there is a shortage of unskilled labour. It just means that no one wants to work there and it could be attributed to many different factors, one of which is probably monetary based.
In the past, when there was a real shortage of labour, what did employers do to attract employees? Raise wages.
But of course, with how easy it is to hire a temporary foreign worker why would Walmart do that? If a Canadian doesn't want to do the job for an actual living wage, just hire someone else from the hundred of thousands of applicants in the job pool.
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India's are coming via South America. They land in South America and hike to the USA. Look up Donkey USA video's on youtube. You can see video's of them in the jungle. If they die there bodies are just left there. The conditions are very poor little food and shelter.
Many Chinese migrants are doing the same now. I can't find the exact video, but I've seen it where they make it to the border and basically set up camp leaving behind supplies for the next group.
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Yeah, I agree, but you asked if I would work at McDonalds.
Just because there are a lot of job postings on Walmart's website doesn't necessarily mean there is a shortage of unskilled labour. It just means that no one wants to work there and it could be attributed to many different factors, one of which is probably monetary based.
In the past, when there was a real shortage of labour, what did employers do to attract employees? Raise wages.
Increasing wages in the past may have worked then but it won't work now. How many people do you know not working? I know people working 2/3 jobs because there are so many vacancies out there. Even higher paying jobs are having vacancies go unfilled.
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Increasing wages in the past may have worked then but it won't work now. How many people do you know not working? I know people working 2/3 jobs because there are so many vacancies out there. Even higher paying jobs are having vacancies go unfilled.
I don't know if it'd work or not, but if Walmart paid a higher wage to attract more folks, I feel that we'd all see a more diverse group of folks working there.
Out of curiosity, I went to StatCan to get some hard numbers.
Based on these numbers, within Canada as a whole, there is no unskilled labour shortage depending on your definition. I'll use people and jobs that have or require only a high school education and under.
As of Q4 2023, there were 341,810 job vacancies requiring only a high school education and under.
As of April 2024, there were 537,700 Canadians that were 15 years old and older, unemployed, looking for jobs, and possessed between 0-8 years of education to a high school diploma.
537,700 people for 341,810 jobs. That's 1.573 people per job. Of course, these are just numbers and it's never that simple.
I couldn't find out if these stats include international students and temporary foreign workers. If they don't, just a modest 25% of the one million international students last year would add additional 50% to the labour force in this demographic.
Those in more rural areas will undoubtedly find it harder to find staff, but it by no means there is a unskilled labour shortage across Canada. In those situations, temporary foreign workers are necessary to keep their local economy going.
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Did I tell you guys black is my favourite colour? My Ridgeline is black. My Honda Fit is black. Wish my dick was black........ LOL.
I'm far from racist, but I'm finding all these Indian workers that have now replaced staff at food establishments, retail, it's making me become somewhat prejudice.
Honestly, it's given me a new understanding of right-wingers and how such sentiments start to build, too much of one thing at one time can create a real adverse reaction, such as this.
I miss the Filipinos at my local Church's or McDonald's, I like going to a small town and seeing a mix of staff. Heck the US still reminds me of that, you'll go into a fast food spot, and the staff is a mix of everything.
Why can't we have that? These new guys suck. We've created a class of service workers all from 1 specific country on the other side of the bloody world.
You know things have gotten really bad when you can start to relate to the crazy old white men right wingers... But its true, I think things would be different if these "new Canadians" came here and tried to adapt to our way of life but they don't.
You are bang on with the fast food restaurants, I'm used to the older people working the mornings and young kids working the evenings but now everyone has been replaced and there is nothing we can do about it.
I was having a talk with an Sikh guy a couple weeks ago and he was being straight up racist tired of these people coming here not caring about Canada and causing so much bullshit. He was telling me when his family came to Canada they appreciated the chance of a new life in a great country and accepted they had to adapt. Now these people are taking advantage of coming here and straight up don't care about Canada and are greedy as fuck.
I don't know if it'd work or not, but if Walmart paid a higher wage to attract more folks, I feel that we'd all see a more diverse group of folks working there.
Out of curiosity, I went to StatCan to get some hard numbers.
Based on these numbers, within Canada as a whole, there is no unskilled labour shortage depending on your definition. I'll use people and jobs that have or require only a high school education and under.
As of Q4 2023, there were 341,810 job vacancies requiring only a high school education and under.
As of April 2024, there were 537,700 Canadians that were 15 years old and older, unemployed, looking for jobs, and possessed between 0-8 years of education to a high school diploma.
537,700 people for 341,810 jobs. That's 1.573 people per job. Of course, these are just numbers and it's never that simple.
I couldn't find out if these stats include international students and temporary foreign workers. If they don't, just a modest 25% of the one million international students last year would add additional 50% to the labour force in this demographic.
Those in more rural areas will undoubtedly find it harder to find staff, but it by no means there is a unskilled labour shortage across Canada. In those situations, temporary foreign workers are necessary to keep their local economy going.
Out of those 537,700 how many are still going to school looking for part time work? How many of those 15/16 year olds are high school dropouts? How many of those people are living someplace remote where you have a lot less job opportunities? Finally how many of those don't want to work or only want to work in a certain field? I have talked to a lot of business owners and they are all having a hard time finding workers.
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I'm far from racist, but I'm finding all these Indian workers that have now replaced staff at food establishments, retail, it's making me become somewhat prejudice.
Honestly, it's given me a new understanding of right-wingers and how such sentiments start to build, too much of one thing at one time can create a real adverse reaction, such as this.
I miss the Filipinos at my local Church's or McDonald's, I like going to a small town and seeing a mix of staff. Heck the US still reminds me of that, you'll go into a fast food spot, and the staff is a mix of everything.
Why can't we have that? These new guys suck. We've created a class of service workers all from 1 specific country on the other side of the bloody world.
What's with the hardon of some Canadians wanting other Canadians born and raised in Canada to work McJobs? You you don't want those jobs so why should they? There are a ton of better paying jobs out there that don't require much education or training that pay way more. The health care assistant program is only 6 months and is super easy to pass. You are pretty much guaranteed a job that pays $20-$25 bux an hour plus O.T. That's just one of many fields you can get into that pays way more than min wage. I know someone in there 40's who did the course and multiple job opportunities. He is making more money than he ever did working a bunch of overtime.
Go check out the farms in California. It's all Mexicans and Indians working the fields.
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