Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by The Producer

tax is tax - money in / money out. it's a pretty simple balance sheet.

people will spend 5 years bitching about carbon tax, but never really look at that little line on their paystubs for income tax.

vote for how governments spend - how they collect the revenue for that spending is moot.

if anything - these consumption taxes are a bit more fair. rich guys gotta buy gas too. it's basically the same as increasing GST on certain items.

but say the word "carbon" and everybody loses their minds.

Well yea that was kind of my point in the previous posts. A tax is a tax, cons could cancel the carbon tax and write in some new bullshit mobility tax or whatever you want to call it, you’re still taking tax revenue

The point is moreso what Evo outlined in that you attempt to justify this specific tax by being virtuous and for the environment, when in reality it was the same old shit that did nothing for anyone. The annoyance comes from sack of shit politicians telling us for almost a decade that this was the green movement and it was in our best interest and future interests to have this type of taxation in place, when, of course, it was just another strung out lie

[westopher]

This carbon tax shit is getting so fucking annoying. Now the cons are saying they will invoke a non confidence motion to trigger a "carbon tax election"
That's the biggest issue at hand here? That's the platform? That's the number one issue that everyone is thinking about? Fucking come on. It shows how there is no plan and no platform.

[Hondaracer]

Well.. you just said what you said on the last page? Lol vote for sonthing that improves your situation? Getting rid of the carbon tax at a federal level would, in theory, put more money in your pocket.

People can cling to this notion that the liberals actually care about social issues, or reconciliation, or any of this other shit their platform has been based on for the last decade. But that was all just lip service. Most of those issues are far worse off now, and we are far more divided now. Hate among minority groups rising due to terrible immigration policies etc. liberals only have to look in the mirror when people talk about the current state of this country

lol like look at this shit provincially, is the NDP’s platform copying the cons proposals?

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-to-open-hi...ties-1.7038703

A nice follow up to that story, 13 year old girl dies from overdose in a homeless encampment after getting all her paraphernalia etc. from the vending machines and “safe supply” strategies.

You can get kicked off a plane for being an unaccompanied minor, but you can self-discharge from treatment facilities to go OD in a homeless encampment

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...anna-macdonald

Crazy that these policies aren’t working, who’d have thunk just providing and enable drug use as opposed to funding treatment and recovery would go sideways

For anyone who hasn’t driven through the DTES or even Chinatown recently, I implore you to go have a look. Went downtown on Friday for a show and holy fuck… not only is this shit worse than ever, it’s spread further and further out of the DTES. Full blown encampments now throughout China town, rogers arena, QE theatre etc.

It’s fucking pathetic.

[westopher]

All those things you posted below are a lot more important to everyone than the carbon tax, or at least they should be. Why aren't they campaigning on policies that will address that? Cause they have no fucking idea what to do to address it. Like what are you even talking about here? It proves my point further that "a carbon tax election" is embarrassing for anyone that actually gives a shit about anything at all.

[Hondaracer]

Well yea… again it’s kind of like.. the current regime has completely shit the bed on this. We’ve hit rock bottom when it comes to a lot of these social issues. Is it best to continue on with the status quo or try somthing new even if it has to be started from scratch?

I’m leaning towards the latter.

Anyone who still supports the liberals or thinks they are a better option than the cons federally, please make an argument for their success on the following MAJOR platform items they’ve run on in the last decade:

-reconciliation
-affordability
-the environment
-crime

Here is a fucking goldennnn article back from 2015 outlining their platform

Reading this now is like satire.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2259367/w...tion-platform/

Imagine supporting a party who’s entire platform has been a failure over a decade and 2 elections

[westopher]

You keep going off on this tangent about other shit like I'm defending the libs record on anything at all, but again, I'm talking about how stupid a platform based on a carbon tax is.

Since you want to change the subject:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...tion-1.7324079
Eby committing to 400 new involuntary mental health care to make up for the nearly a thousand the BC libs cut back when they closed Riverview.
Can I hear about how this is somehow a bad idea cause it is the NDP implementing it, even though it's probably exactly what you'd want to see from another party?

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

For anyone who hasn’t driven through the DTES or even Chinatown recently, I implore you to go have a look. Went downtown on Friday for a show and holy fuck… not only is this shit worse than ever, it’s spread further and further out of the DTES. Full blown encampments now throughout China town, rogers arena, QE theatre etc.

Are we going to the same Chinatown, Hondaracer? Cuz since May, I've had to attend to some on-going business in Chinatown, and I had to be there once every 3 - 4 weeks. I was mostly going around the area bounded by Pender, Columbia, Union, and Gore, and compared to last year, I'd actually say Chinatown seems to have cleaned up a bit this year.

There seemed to be fewer homeless people passed out / sitting down on the streets. The stench of urine / feces on the streets was significantly less noticeable than last year. There was also far fewer feces that I have spotted this year. Almost every time when I went there (between May and early Sept), I came across someone who appeared to be part of the vulnerable community there doing garbage pick up (off the streets) as part of some sort of socially funded program. It still wasn't Shaughnessy, but it was a noticeable improvement compared to last year.

Potentially, I can see how things could get ugly real fast on Hastings, since that has always tended to be the epic center of the homelessness issue.

Originally Posted by westopher

Since you want to change the subject:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...tion-1.7324079
Eby committing to 400 new involuntary mental health care to make up for the nearly a thousand the BC libs cut back when they closed Riverview.
Can I hear about how this is somehow a bad idea cause it is the NDP implementing it, even though it's probably exactly what you'd want to see from another party?

I am not parroting Honda's suggestion of how the (provincial) NDP is turning everything into shxt, but I seem to recall that every social / outreach worker that I've heard on radio insists that involuntary treatment is a very bad idea, regardless of whether it is mental health care, or drug addiction care. When the central figure receiving treatment and/or support is not onboard with the program, chances of relapse and fatal outcomes are quite a bit more common than if the plan has participant buy-in.

[meme405]

I've said it before and I'll say it again;

The governments (at all levels) introduce all these different taxes to try and make taxation fair across the entire population.

The biggest issue with that approach is that government is inefficient. So each tax they introduce costs millions to implement. I would actually be in favor of consolidating some forms of these taxes and just paying slightly more on income tax.

Atleast then ideally the government can shed some fucking public sector workers. Our public sector has become way too big of a inefficient drain on our economy, this is reflected when you look at our productivity numbers. Canada is burdened with Taxes to continue feeding an absolutely eye watering amount of public workers who do nothing to further productivity or add to our GDP.

Adding CRA workers to address the problem with retrieving all the benefits the government just stupidly paid out with zero consideration driving us into this inflationary crisis, is literally furthering the problem. Unless that worker is Cities adding gardeners, janitors, office administrators, etc, at a shocking pace. All of these are problems. Not only does it detract productive workers from our employment pool, but each one creates an expense for which we need to continue adding taxes.

Imagine if you could strip the voting power away from anyone who works in the public sector, then see how much these political platforms change. The issue is that 25% of people in canada are public sector, so if anyone runs on the platform of cutting public workers, they are alienating an absolutely massive voter base.

Just for reference the US public workers are like 14.1%. Now health care and education are a big reason we have always been higher in Public workforce (and i'm certainly not advocating for cuts to teachers, or Doctors/Nurses), but the US also has a way bigger military workforce.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

You keep going off on this tangent about other shit like I'm defending the libs record on anything at all, but again, I'm talking about how stupid a platform based on a carbon tax is.

Since you want to change the subject:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...tion-1.7324079
Eby committing to 400 new involuntary mental health care to make up for the nearly a thousand the BC libs cut back when they closed Riverview.
Can I hear about how this is somehow a bad idea cause it is the NDP implementing it, even though it's probably exactly what you'd want to see from another party?

As I said in the original post referencing this, they are just copying the cons platform ideas? Cons introduced this idea and a week later the NDP trots it out, this is just playing catch up when you have run out of ideas.

If it’s the right thing to do, it’s the right thing to do, but this isn’t an NDP idea lol just like removing vaccination requirements for nurses wasn’t.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by meme405

I've said it before and I'll say it again;

The governments (at all levels) introduce all these different taxes to try and make taxation fair across the entire population.

The biggest issue with that approach is that government is inefficient. So each tax they introduce costs millions to implement. I would actually be in favor of consolidating some forms of these taxes and just paying slightly more on income tax.

Atleast then ideally the government can shed some fucking public sector workers. Our public sector has become way too big of a inefficient drain on our economy, this is reflected when you look at our productivity numbers. Canada is burdened with Taxes to continue feeding an absolutely eye watering amount of public workers who do nothing to further productivity or add to our GDP.

Adding CRA workers to address the problem with retrieving all the benefits the government just stupidly paid out with zero consideration driving us into this inflationary crisis, is literally furthering the problem. Unless that worker is Cities adding gardeners, janitors, office administrators, etc, at a shocking pace. All of these are problems. Not only does it detract productive workers from our employment pool, but each one creates an expense for which we need to continue adding taxes.

Imagine if you could strip the voting power away from anyone who works in the public sector, then see how much these political platforms change. The issue is that 25% of people in canada are public sector, so if anyone runs on the platform of cutting public workers, they are alienating an absolutely massive voter base.

Just for reference the US public workers are like 14.1%. Now health care and education are a big reason we have always been higher in Public workforce (and i'm certainly not advocating for cuts to teachers, or Doctors/Nurses), but the US also has a way bigger military workforce.

The Canadian public sector is a larger percentage of the govt. than it is in the USA.

How can that possibly make sense? For a country that has 8 times as many people, with, as you said, virtually no military forces in comparison.

Bloated with incompetence.

[winson604]

Originally Posted by The Producer

tax is tax - money in / money out. it's a pretty simple balance sheet.

people will spend 5 years bitching about carbon tax, but never really look at that little line on their paystubs for income tax.

vote for how governments spend - how they collect the revenue for that spending is moot.

if anything - these consumption taxes are a bit more fair. rich guys gotta buy gas too. it's basically the same as increasing GST on certain items.

but say the word "carbon" and everybody loses their minds.

Truth which is why when it comes to any sort of tax I don't even bother because the GOV is going to get that money from you one way or another. Even when the GOV does something seemingly nice i.e. remove tolls from the Port Mann you best know they'll just recoup that somewhere else. Call it whatever you want they're getting their money.

[Hondaracer]

A group of 10 BC mayors and a bunch of top cops are having an emergency press conference right now to call out Eby and the feds over public safety and addiction

Going off on how nothing has changed and we are at a tipping point, this is great. Sim going off how all govt. has failed law abiding citizens and bail reform leaving people in the streets to murder others.

[mikemhg]

Oh yes, the mayor who said he'd hire 100 new cops, nurses, and didn't, is conveniently coming out before election time to whine about the streets.

You can't be that stupid Honda. This is clearly a ploy for the Cons/BC United to bullshit their way back into power and rob this province blind once again.

[Hondaracer]

All these stories regarding the hiring said the 100 officers was met even with counting the traditional hiring of retirement replacements?

https://thetyee.ca/News/2023/10/10/1...ven-10-Nurses/

That article also says towards the bottom VCH is “on track” to hire the positions for mental health support that ride along with cops?

Obviously bail reform and allowing people with 100 convictions back onto the streets is likely a bigger driver of crime and disorder than a police force that has no ability to keep these people from returning to the streets and reoffending

[Hondaracer]

Machete reform is coming to protect us all

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/0...n-niki-sharma/

[sdubfid]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Machete reform is coming to protect us all

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/0...n-niki-sharma/

I won’t feel safe until there’s a 3 trillion dollar machete registry implemented

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by sdubfid

I won’t feel safe until there’s a 3 trillion dollar machete registry implemented

If McKinsey's commissioned to implement this, triple the price.

[highfive]

https://x.com/6ixbuzztv/status/1835778602157093050

This is our politics. After being off for so long...they come back and do stupid shit like this. Nothing constructive, nothing that makes our country better than today.

They are all the same.

[Hondaracer]

Call an election and stop dragging it out then.

Liberals just lost two strongholds they’ve held for decades in bi-elections. People are done with the liberals. Turd clinging to power for what, ego? What does he hope to achieve now without the coalition. Total waste of time as per usual.

[yray]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Call an election and stop dragging it out then.

Liberals just lost two strongholds they’ve held for decades in bi-elections. People are done with the liberals.

go tell PP

YouTube

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Call an election and stop dragging it out then.

Liberals just lost two strongholds they’ve held for decades in bi-elections. People are done with the liberals. Turd clinging to power for what, ego? What does he hope to achieve now without the coalition. Total waste of time as per usual.

People love clinging to power. What is so odd or suprising about that?

I'm surprised Jagmeet got triggered by the heckler though. He is a veteran politian himself, so this type of heckling should be nothing new. Of course, the name of the YouTube channel -- Canadian Free Living -- already suggests that the videographer and/or the hecklers were specifically out looking to stir shxt up and instigate.

[westopher]

These YouTubers are the biggest fucking cancer. Going and stirring shit up then acting like they've been victimized by the whole thing.

[highfive]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Call an election and stop dragging it out then.

Liberals just lost two strongholds they’ve held for decades in bi-elections. People are done with the liberals. Turd clinging to power for what, ego? What does he hope to achieve now without the coalition. Total waste of time as per usual.

It's all a total waste of time. Whoever's in power, it's a charade of power. All these members of parliament will come and suck dick when they need the votes. When they're in ottawa, they're just bus riders for their own party leader's bitching. They don't address any particular needs of their constituents, some might not even live in the riding they represent.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by yray

go tell PP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Q98BaZMkA

low key that did not look violent - more polite than convos I've had this month in the city lol

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by highfive

It's all a total waste of time. Whoever's in power, it's a charade of power. All these members of parliament will come and suck dick when they need the votes. When they're in ottawa, they're just bus riders for their own party leader's bitching. They don't address any particular needs of their constituents, some might not even live in the riding they represent.

At least with a majority you can make decisions relatively unimpeded