Canadian politics thread

[Traum]

I'd just say Eby's message for the carbon tax cancellation came out wrong. It would have been far better received had he mentioned something along the lines of:

We've been listening to British Columbians, and we realize that while fighting climate change is extremely important, there is no apetite among the BC public to use the carbon tax as the tool for that fight. Therefore, we are going to drop the carbon tax if we get re-elected.

Saying the above would not invalidate any of his previous support for the carbon tax, and can easily be interpreted to be listening to the voices of British Columbians. I dunno why none of his aids / advisors came up with something along the lines of what I said above. Perhaps I should go apply for a job with Eby instead lol~?

[Hondaracer]

Well that’s why everyone in govt. is total shit because competent people don’t go into public service.

When you dig into Eby’s removal as well, his proposal is just to take the carbon tax off the consumer and pass it onto the companies and industry who are the suppliers/producers. So it likely won’t have any effect on prices regardless. Whereas the cons propose to remove it completely at all levels. Will there have to be another tax somewhere to make up for that shortfall? Probably. But it likely won’t be this sweeping legislation that takes money out of your pocket into general revenue.

[westopher]

BC liberal housing policies, climate change denial, and riverview hospital flooding the downtown Eastside with homeless with mental illnesses have had a far greater reaching negative effect on my life than the carbon tax.
So have listening to all the vaccination crybabies just because they are so fucking annoying.
It's not all that hard to see why rustad is a problem based on all those things. But yes, the $6 per tonne of carbon is the villain, and always will be to some.

[Manic!]

Go shorty it's your birthday.



https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-councillor...line-1.7050433

[Great68]

Originally Posted by westopher

climate change denial, and riverview hospital flooding the downtown Eastside with homeless with mental illnesses

I never voted liberal, but I don't believe they were climate deniers. They literally implemented the carbon tax in 2008, and hiked the fuel taxes (remember Gordo and his "3.5cents" in 2003?). They also signed the BC Energy Step code into law just before their term ended.

Regarding Riverview, the decision to spin that place down started way back in 1990, under the previous NDP rule...

They also got a shit ton of major infrastructure built, the NDP is struggling to even start the Tunnel after 7 years in power.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Great68

I never voted liberal, but I don't believe they were climate deniers. They literally implemented the carbon tax in 2008, and hiked the fuel taxes (remember Gordo and his "3.5cents" in 2003?"

Regarding Riverview, the decision to spin that place down started way back in 1990, under the previous NDP rule...

Ahh don’t let facts ruin a nice story.

The last 7 years under the NDP, much like the decade under the federal liberals, all the issues westopher outlined have gotten SUBSTANTIALLY worse.

In 2017 none of those issues were front and center like they are now. Not even mentioning crime and general civil unrest which has fallen off a cliff.

Voting in “left” leaning parties obsessed with handouts and letting criminals out to reoffend in their revolving door justice system will surelyyyyy fix the issues they haven’t had any idea how to sort out thus far.

Rustad is an idiot, but Eby is the same rat he’s always been.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Great68

I never voted liberal, but I don't believe they were climate deniers. They literally implemented the carbon tax in 2008, and hiked the fuel taxes (remember Gordo and his "3.5cents" in 2003?). They also signed the BC Energy Step code into law just before their term ended.

Regarding Riverview, the decision to spin that place down started way back in 1990, under the previous NDP rule...

They also got a shit ton of major infrastructure built, the NDP is struggling to even start the Tunnel after 7 years in power.

Not saying libs were, but rustad was, and he was part of all of that with the libs, and now currently with the cons, so I'm saying he directly is part of all of those issues.
I wasn't super clear, but even if I was Honda would have missed the point regardless.
Remember any issues that happen are the current governments fault, unless its the one you voted for, then it's the previous ones. I have no issue calling out the failures of the NDP, but everything I outlined was created by the libs other than the climate change issue, and will be exacerbated by the cons, along with the climate change issue.
The drug policy is a huge NDP fuckup, and they are rolling it back.
Health care issues are due to a huge influx of people without policies in place first (hardly the fault of the NDP as immigration was federal)
Housing policy is a result of BC liberals lining their pockets with money laundering, and the current influx of people.

[Great68]

I didn't read the last page of the thread and didn't realise you were calling out Rustad on his climate change denial directly (sorry just saw BC Liberals and thought you were talking about the party as a whole).

Yeah that guy's a nut on that front, that's what got him kicked out.

As for housing, eh that's multi faceted but money laundering was barely a significant factor. The Cullen inquiry strait up called the impact on the housing market "Tenuous".

Looking back I don't believe the BC Liberal job of building housing was that bad. If you look at a history of residential housing starts in BC, during NDP's rule in 1991-2001 they were nearly at 50 year low. The Liberals had nearly double those numbers through their 16 years, it just still wasn't enough.

[Traum]

IIRC, the BC Liberals' failure on housing wasn't so much how they didn't build enough houses. Instead, it was their close ties to developers and how they refused to implement policies that would slow the rapid rise of housing prices. It wasn't until the writing was on the wall when the NDP presented a real threat to dethrone the Liberals that Christy Clark started passing token measures to control housing prices.

Now mind you, even if the BC Libs had taken all kinds of measures to limit the rapid rise of housing prices, they are still gonna go up. Demand for housing was just outstripping supply by a continually growing margin, but I also believe that the rise would have been slower had the BC Libs taken the issue seriously, and got started at a much earlier time.

I also would not completely blame the Horgan or Eby NDP for the drug policy failure. The illicit market and toxic supply are literally a N.American-wide problem, so if any government were to take the blame for it, it would be the federal gov bearing more responsibility. But even then I wouldn't completely blame the federal gov, since illicit drug supplies are an inherently difficult problem for any national gov to solve. Coming back to the BC NDP, I do not believe decriminalization was a mistake. Rather, I kind of look at it as a desperate but genuine attempt in wanting to try something out to see if it'll work, and unfortunately, it didn't. The NDP should be blamed for not providing enough funding towards addiction rehab and the associated social support network for recovering addicts. And then of course they must bear the blame for not doing enough on the mental health support front.

[westopher]

Well said. The drug problem is a continent wide issue, and B.C. will always face the largest part of it in this country due to the climate being the friendliest homeless land mass in Canada, much like how the western coastal U.S. will be as well.
NDP is absolutely to blame for the lack of mental health and addictions support that needs to coincide with the decriminalization project, but they have eaten shit on it and admitted faults in the rollout. At least they aren't dehumanizing addicts, but the issues that came with it are horrendous.

[Qmx323]

Veering a little off topic here - but Doug Ford just announced the beginnings of a potential massive tunnel project that will supplement the 401 expressway.

Length is to be determined after a cost analysis of how long is gonna cost how much, but in my 2 years there, even a 10KM stretch would help a LOT.

GTA RSers, whats your take on this?

The NIMBY-ism//terrain limitations here really fucked traffic here

[Traum]

Not gonna happen, primarily bcos Ontarians shouldn't be stupid enough to still vote for Ford after all the fiascos that has taken place in the last few years.

And if Ontarians are stupid enough to still vote him in again, well... then they deserve to get punished by yet another 15+ years of construction chaos, with all the traffic disruptions and extreme cost overruns that will occur. Just look at the failure that the Eglington Crosstown LRT is, and it will be on the same scale as that.

Gridlock on the 401 is pretty much a fact of Toronto life that you can't run away from, but there are ways to alleviate it to a certain extent. I like the idea from one of the opposition parties where trucks -- big container trucks -- are diverted Hwy 407. Even if the provincial gov is footing the bill for that, it would still be exponentially cheaper than any attempt at this tunnel, plus it has the significant major benefit of being able to offer instant relief. Ford is just stubbornly refusing to support the idea bcos it came from the opposition parties, to the detriment of the province and its residents.

[AstulzerRZD]

Former resident - IMO Toronto is cooked unless you're there to break into banking / finance.

5-10 years ago, the real estate was a lot cheaper than Vancouver, jobs had higher income by 15-30%, way more options for advancement.

Nowadays, none of these are true except for in banking and the politics will continue to be fucked unlike BC.

[unit]

so tired of this shit i made a meme

[Badhobz]

i dont even get it. Whos who now!?

In Richmond its almost always a conservative victory so I guess my Marxist communist socialists party would never work

[Great68]

I don't think BC Liberals = BC Conservatives.

BC Conservatives are running a far more socially conservative/regressive platform than the Libs ever had. They are literally mostly made up of the BC Liberal MLA's that were too wacko and kicked out.

They were far more in that "Fiscally conservative, socially progressive" spot. That's why I don't get why everyone was dancing on the grave of the BC Liberal party. We have a far worse alternative now.

[unit]

yep you're right about that, they are the worst version of the old bc liberals.
anyone who hated the bc liberals under crusty clark should absolutely despise the bc conservatives.
anyone who thinks the bc conservatives are going to be a breath of fresh air and are going to fix the problems in this province are going to be in for a big disappointment.

[Manic!]

The BC cons are full of BC liberals.

[Hondaracer]

So jagmeet doesn’t support the no confidence vote

So obviously his leaving the coalition was nothing but lip service

[CRS]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So jagmeet doesn’t support the no confidence vote

So obviously his leaving the coalition was nothing but lip service

Is that really a surprise?

The NDP have more in common with the Liberals than they ever will with the Conservatives.

Given current polling, I'd also try to drag my feet as much as possible in hopes that I can change it.

[Hondaracer]

Well obviously everything PP said about Jagmeet was correct in that he’s just in it for the pension etc. he doesn’t care about Canadians because now he has zero influence on decisions other than calling an election

The Bloc side of the support for the liberals though is even worse fuck. Only voting for the non-confidence vote due to Quebec specific legislation

Should have let Quebec walk when we had the chance.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The Bloc side of the support for the liberals though is even worse fuck. Only voting for the non-confidence vote due to Quebec specific legislation

Should have let Quebec walk when we had the chance.

I don't blame BQ one bit for trying to milk the most out of the Liberals. It is literally their raison d'etre to milk every benefit out of the federal gov for Quebec, the rest of Canada be damned. They have always advertised that they are only on the lookout for Quebec and Quebecois, so at least I respect them for being upfront in this regard.

On the other hand, I totally think Canada should just shed the Quebec baggage behind, historical reasons be damned. They are a drain and a drag to the rest of Canada, and they aren't even grateful about all the perks they milk out of the federal gov. Economically, Quebec needs the rest of Canada far more than the rest of Canada needs Quebec, so it is their loss if they leave the country.

Of course, the Libs, Cons, and NDP all think they need Quebec because of the large number of federal MP seats Quebec has, so they are always going to try to appease these blood and money suckers.

[EvoFire]

So we've been watching YT on our TV, and PP's Federal Conservative party ads are popping up a lot. I guess they were preparing for what could have been a non-confidence vote.

As some one who is some what well educated the ad struck me in the following way:

In a very not serious tone, are you guys communists? The "deal" PP speaks of where everyone gets a home, are we doing handouts? Joking aside, if you want to live in Toronto or BC, where everyone else wants to be, be prepared to fork out the money. You can buy a home in Manitoba for $250k.

On a more serious note. He promises to lower mortgate rates. How the fuck does he plan to do that? The Fed gov't has no say in the BoC decisions. They influence it by enacting policies, but he doesn't and can't dive into that detail in a short ad.

But seriously, even if I had no leanings politically, but only looking at facts, that's a dumb ad to those who are educated and know how the system works. I can't argue though it would be effective probably to a lesser educated population.

[Hondaracer]

Well both those things are already happening to some degree no?

Current liberals have extended amortization and now allow re-amortizing a mortgage, also have extended those allowances for insured mortgages and first time home buyers? So in that way, it’s become “cheaper”

On the home front, look at the BC NDP, buying homes and subsidizing 40% of them for buyers? Handouts, which, let’s face it, will only hurt anyone not getting into these homes through raised taxes and however else the propose to pay down 1.x billion annually to support these programs.

They are both doing essentially what you outlined there in a hugely round about way

[Mikoyan]

Originally Posted by unit

so tired of this shit i made a meme

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...iwal-1.7326147

Apparently not.