Canadian politics thread

[The Producer]

Originally Posted by noclue

BC conservatives just rolled out no PST on used cars, finally

still throwing hail marys 5 days after polls open?

what a bunch of clowns

this is pretty funny - great Chip trolling

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by noclue

BC conservatives just rolled out no PST on used cars, finally

Damn, if they win I'll have no other reason to not purchase that used Dakar at Porsche Vancouver. https://finder.porsche.com/ca/en-CA/...ealership=1606

[whitev70r]

^ They'll need to roll back/eliminate luxury car tax on top of the no PST.

[noclue]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

^ They'll need to roll back/eliminate luxury car tax on top of the no PST.

Honestly that's probably the most bullshit tax, not adjusted for inflation. Most economy brands have cars over $55k now. Either get rid of it or make it match the federal one at $100K.

[pastarocket]

Your thoughts on this article? Trudeau claims that he has a list of Conservatives who are engaged in or at high risk of foreign meddling. Spy watchdog came up with the list of names.

PP boy replies that the PM is a liar.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/1...e-of-its-work/

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has refused to get the security clearance necessary to be briefed on a list of people in his party who are involved in or vulnerable to foreign interference, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told a federal commission of inquiry Wednesday.

“I have the names of a number of parliamentarians, former parliamentarians and-or candidates in the Conservative Party of Canada who are engaged (in) or at high risk of, or for whom there is clear intelligence around foreign interference,” Trudeau said as part of his sworn testimony.

“I have directed CSIS and others to try and inform the Conservative party leader to be warned and armed,” so that Poilievre could make decisions to protect the integrity of the party and guard members against attempts at foreign interference, he said.

Trudeau said Poilievre has opted not to receive classified briefings — a decision that he finds bewildering.


“The decision by the leader of the Conservative party to not get those classified briefings means that nobody in his party — not him, nobody in a position of power — knows the names of these individuals and can take appropriate action,” Trudeau said.

He said it also means nobody can stand up for the people in question if the intelligence is poor, incomplete or simply contains allegations from a single source.

Poilievre has previously defended his choice not to try to obtain a high-level security clearance.

He has said it would prevent him from speaking out about what he has learned in secret briefings.

In response to Trudeau’s comments on Wednesday, Poilievre released a statement calling on the prime minister to publicly release the names.

“But he won’t. Because Justin Trudeau is doing what he always does: he is lying,” Poilievre said.

The Conservative leader also said his chief of staff receives confidential briefings, and has not been told about any past or present member of the party being involved in foreign interference.

[Hondaracer]

If it was an actual threat why doesn’t Turd just release the names than play this cat and mouse game. Guy is such a fucking knob uhg

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

If it was an actual threat why doesn’t Turd just release the names than play this cat and mouse game. Guy is such a fucking knob uhg

I can't take you seriously anymore, do you even think before posting?

How the fuck could Trudeau, or anyone in that position, possibly release the list? Especially if it's an actual threat?

Imagine the CEO of a company releasing a name-list of all the employees who watch porn at work. How, in any fathomable situation, is that a good idea, let alone releasing the names of government officials?

And who is the knob here, the guy playing political games, or the guy who is blatantly ignoring and harbouring elected officials caught in foreign meddling? Or is it the guy going turd turd turd turd turd turd.

[The Producer]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

If it was an actual threat why doesn’t Turd just release the names than play this cat and mouse game. Guy is such a fucking knob uhg

you read the quote above and see Trudeau as the asshole?

PP doesn't want to get the clearance to maintain plausible deniability. he knows who's on the list.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

I can't take you seriously anymore, do you even think before posting?

How the fuck could Trudeau, or anyone in that position, possibly release the list? Especially if it's an actual threat?

Imagine the CEO of a company releasing a name-list of all the employees who watch porn at work. How, in any fathomable situation, is that a good idea, let alone releasing the names of government officials?

And who is the knob here, the guy playing political games, or the guy who is blatantly ignoring and harbouring elected officials caught in foreign meddling? Or is it the guy going turd turd turd turd turd turd.

So it’s in the best interest of the country to withhold this information and just play this game with PP ultimately getting no where? So PP never gets the clearance and nothing ever comes of these accusations? Lol

If people are actively engaged in these activities, releasing the names would obviously end their political careers.

PP is a clown but if you’ve got this info and it’s as damning as you say, it’s in the countries best interest to address it rather than play these games.

Not like Trudeau has done even a half ass job as preventing foreign interference and political meddling himself.

[Traum]

Personally, I don't think Turd did anything inappropriate by first engaging PeePee -- publically or privately -- to urge him to obtain security access to these briefings so that he can clean house on his own. As a start, this should be a Conservative Party matter, because if Turd just releases the names of these Conservative parliamentarians, he would 100% get accused of playing politics.

I view PeePee as being entirely in the wrong for continually refusing to obtain security access to view these intelligence briefing. He just wants to claim plausible deniability if/when shxt hits the fan. He is also dodging his responsibility as the Conservative Party leader, because as the party leader, he needs to be the one to clean house if there are internal party issues. But he is deliberately not doing that. My guess is, he doesn't want to lose voter support from those who support these questionable candidates, so he is deliberately not taking any action to clean house, or allow him to clean house.

But at this point, Turd should just release the names of these questionable candidates. The info is coming from CSIS, not Turd or the Liberals party, and CSIS is supposed to be non-partisian. If/When Turd really does that, PeePee would 100% accuse him of lying / making false accusation to damage his colleagues and his party's reputation, even though he is taunting Turd to release the names now.

Gosh I really hate PeePee's guts.

[Hondaracer]

At this point, what does he have to lose by releasing the info?

He doesn’t have to release names of people who are at “high risk” of engagement because what does that even mean.

But if people are actively engaged in this, Justin has nothing to lose at this point other than doing it for the good of Canada. He’s finished as a leader and the liberals are done as a party.

Also like.. coming out and saying “I wanted to brief PP but he doesn’t want clearance” is pretty fucking clearly just the game Justin is playing because if this is the approach you wanted why even come out and say anything at all?

[underscore]

Is he allowed to decide to just release classified documents? I'd be a bit concerned if he was.

It's pretty laughable that you think PP making claims about the legitimacy of a document from CSIS about members of his party, which he can't actually read because he continuously refuses to get security clearance, is a knock against anyone but him and the Conservative Party.

It's also both laughable and concerning that he's allowed to be in the position he is without passing security clearance. It really shouldn't be optional for him come election time. What happens if the Cons take power and he can't actually pass the checks?

[GLOW]

aren't there active investigations regarding people on that list?

if so, are they not permitted to release publically as it may be a security risk?

[Mikoyan]

Politics aside, you just don't drop the names out without 100% proof. It's an intelligence doc, not a criminal investigation. From the sounds of it, there's some con names that have some thin evidence, or even circumstantial reports.
This is different from the Indian government reports that the RCMP put out. They've got firm evidence in those cases supposedly.

[Mikoyan]

PP has been an MP for 20 years since he was 24/25.
He knows how things work.
Not getting clearance is deliberate.

[pastarocket]

I think that releasing names of people based on an intelligence report is a risk to the people who are supposedly involved in foreign interference of our federal government.

Although I work for the Feds, I know absolutely nothing about what kind of tests or checks that PP must do to gain top secret security clearance in order to look at the list of names of Conservative party members involved in this matter.

I'll just play the hypothetical.

IF Trudeau did release the names of these Conservative party members to the public, you think that the foreign countries that might connected to those members in meddling would feel threatened?

This sounds like some high level, national security mess if you ask me. James Bond, Jason Bourne, Mission Impossible movie level type of national security.

If Trudeau released the names of the Cons party members to the public, I would think that those members might fear for their lives.

Foreign countries that might be implicated in this matter, ahem, China, Russia, India, etc. , could send in some of their covert operatives in Canada or who are already in Canada to do shall we say, "eliminate" threats to their country's intelligence agencies. Kill the Conservative party members on that list?

[Hondaracer]

In the article on city news PP says he is telling Justin to release the names publicly and that his chief of staff has the clearance required to be briefed on this situation and he has not been.

So what is it?

[westopher]

He can't legally release the names you dildo lol.
If he releases them to his chief of staff what is he supposed to do? He can't tell PP either, or the public.
It's classified documents and he COULD release them to PP if PP wasn't too manipulative to use his lack of security clearance (which he could easily get) as a political tool in this instance so he could trick people that have no fucking clue what's going on into thinking Trudeau is somehow withholding information he could just give away on a whim.

[Hondaracer]

So what does coming out into the media to say all this do? What is this achieving

[westopher]

You tell me? You'd be shitting your pants if you found out he was aware of it and said nothing too.
Does it not concern you that PP could have access to this info and chooses not to? Someone who doesn't have security clearance for these things shouldn't even be eligible to be a party leader, no?

[Hondaracer]

Well it’s obviously just playing stupid games over actually doing anything about it.

[underscore]

What do you think he can actually do about it? He's not allowed to release a classified document to the public, he's not allowed to let PP see the document without clearance (that again he could get any time), and he's not in charge of the Conservative Party members named in the document.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Well it’s obviously just playing stupid games over actually doing anything about it.

You dolt, the message we're trying to get to you through your hard-on of hatred for Turd is that he can't do anything about it, other than telling the public that's what's happening.

Publicly release the classified document? "HES CORRUPT AND A NATIONAL THREAT!!!!!"
'Leak' the classified document? "HES INCOMPETENT AND CANT KEEP SECRETS!!!!!!"
Force action by either forcing PP to get his shit together, or pass a bill to enable action? "HES A TYRANT!!!"

All of those are literally you.

What is actually playing stupid games, is PP refusing to get clearance so he can just cover his ears and go lalala.

[Traum]

Given that it is a matter of foreign interference / national security & soverignty, with PeePee and the Cons not willing to play ball, I think Turd, through the regular means or his executive power as PM, should order the a redacted version of the intelligence report to be released, with the names of the questionable MPs revealed. In doing so, there needs to be an emphasis on how this is an intelligence report by CSIS, and that it does not constitute concrete evidence, although any info of this sort would definitely be concerning.

There has been no shortage of accompliace to this sort of foreign interference in the past. Michael Chan of the Ontario Liberals is a well known name tarnished with accusations of colluding / supporting the CCP. Han Dong of the (federal) Liberals is another person who has been accused of similar ties. If their names are exposed, it is up to them to provide a public explanation against the accusations, and the public will make nothing more than a moral judgement about the character on their own.

When the names and the associated foreign countries are named, the foreign countries will inevitably deny involvement, even if concrete evidence is provided.

And if these characters are involved enough to face threats of getting "eliminated", well... then that probably means they really know enough to be dangerous for the foreign country, and I'd have little sympathy since these guys would effectively be selling Canada out. You reap what you sow.

China generally wouldn't be as overt -- they tend to prefer using cocersion to get the guy to "willingly" travel to China before slapping them with any sort of bogus criminal offence, and use them as bargain chips later.

India, as we have seen with Hardeep Singh Nijjar and other similar accusations from US and UK, will probably attempt to arrange with local (Indian) gangs to eliminate the person of annoyance.

And if it is Russia. Well, the Motherland wouldn't even blink when they kill you as we have seen through numerous examples in Europe.

Originally Posted by pastarocket

IF Trudeau did release the names of these Conservative party members to the public, you think that the foreign countries that might connected to those members in meddling would feel threatened?

This sounds like some high level, national security mess if you ask me. James Bond, Jason Bourne, Mission Impossible movie level type of national security.

If Trudeau released the names of the Cons party members to the public, I would think that those members might fear for their lives.

Foreign countries that might be implicated in this matter, ahem, China, Russia, India, etc. , could send in some of their covert operatives in Canada or who are already in Canada to do shall we say, "eliminate" threats to their country's intelligence agencies. Kill the Conservative party members on that list?

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

You dolt, the message we're trying to get to you through your hard-on of hatred for Turd is that he can't do anything about it, other than telling the public that's what's happening.

Publicly release the classified document? "HES CORRUPT AND A NATIONAL THREAT!!!!!"
'Leak' the classified document? "HES INCOMPETENT AND CANT KEEP SECRETS!!!!!!"
Force action by either forcing PP to get his shit together, or pass a bill to enable action? "HES A TYRANT!!!"

All of those are literally you.

What is actually playing stupid games, is PP refusing to get clearance so he can just cover his ears and go lalala.

Lol hard on hatred? I’m just calling a spade a spade. Read the article even your boy was pressed for more detail he quickly retracted his statement

“A few seconds later he appeared to temper his comments, saying the intelligence about conservative activities could be ‘shoddy’ or incomplete, or just allegations from a single source”

lol..

This isn’t a confident person, this is someone grasping at any semblance of power that remains.