Canadian politics thread

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

My ex way back worked at the mcd on Kingsway and Victoria. She said there would be hookers having sex in the washrooms all the time and she'd have to call the manager to come clean up

I used to catch the 25 bus at Kingsway/Gladstone (where the T&T is now) to get to SFU and some mornings there'd be a hooker standing there winding up her day. In the 90s it was definitely pretty common for that stretch of Kingsway to have a lot of streetwalkers but they were definitely not of the high end kind. I always figured at least a couple of them were actually undercover cops.

[spoon.ek9]

Having read all the recent posts, I'd add that the homelessness/drug use epidemic has also been exacerbated by the safe supply program. Safe supply (with no requirement for rehab) is probably one of the dumbest things ever put in place. There are plenty of stories about addicts selling their safe supply (to teenagers etc) and using the funds to get whatever it was they wanted in the first place. It's pretty damn scary when police are finding things as strong and addictive as hydromorphone tablets in our fucking highschools.

So in addition to the homeless/drug problems of the past, combined with decriminalization, safe supply, effects of the pandemic, and the huge increase to the cost of living has really created a perfect shit storm that has resulted in what we see today.

It's pretty obvious it's worse these days. Btw, ain't nothing wrong with living in Richmond, honda lol. I've been here nearly 30 years and what really brought the homeless here was the Canada line. Ever since then, they've had a much easier way to get here and stay here. Walking around No.3/Westminster never felt sketchy when I was a teenager. Nowadays, it's not Hastings, but it feels like it's getting there. You've got drug users roaming around, peeing in bushes (not even hidden!), camping in front of businesses etc.

[Hondaracer]

Didn’t say anything wrong with living in Richmond, but don’t live in Richmond, and tell me, who lives in Hastings Sunrise, how good or bad my area is

[Manic!]

Drug addicts are going to get drugs no matter what. With the government supplying them I would guess there would be less theft.

[spoon.ek9]

which is why safe supply combined with mandatory rehab has worked in other countries. that's the crucial part we're missing here. even with gov't supplied drugs, if they're short on cash they ain't picking up a part time job to pay for shit. they'll still steal as needed to supplement their habits.

[westopher]

It's not even mandatory treatment that's needed, it's treatment period. When someone asks for a spot in a rehab program and is told yeah you can start in 10-12 weeks, that's fucking absurd.
Those moments of clarity in addictions are fleeting and rare, and you need to be able to provide someone with support the moment they ask for it.
Weren't they calling these supervised consumption sites? I can tell you that handing someone some needles and some drugs and saying see you later is truly lacking in the supervised part.

[whitev70r]

So yah, divest some $$ from clean supply into in creating treatment beds or spaces for people who want treatment.

I still believe that there is a small % of people that requires mandatory addiction treatment due to their violent & criminal nature. Arrest these people, admit them into a hospital/institution and force treatment. Just the small % that are addicted and violent.

If we can do the above 2, that would go a long way. Let's not worry about forcing treatment on others when there aren't enough spaces for those who want it.

[EvoFire]

The safe supply should never let the drugs leave the premises. I didn't look into it but sounds like they failed in that.

[westopher]

I really believe that mandatory drug treatment is 99% ineffective, but there are certain instances where mandatory mental illness treatment is 100% necessary.
Finding a balance of how to treat addiction as its own entity and mental health issues that manifest themselves as a drug addiction is a pretty complicated issue, and I don't blame them for not "solving" the issue, but it seems like they don't have much going into either.

[Badhobz]

i thought all this fent shit would sort itself out due to the high toxicity rate. Like it only needs a few mg to kill you. Its that damn spray those paramedics keep carrying around, the government should magically not have any left and then POOF !! solved it.

that or just fucking ship them off to Surrey like I said. Manics cousins will take care of these guys... with a vengeance.

[noclue]

I remember when fentanyl first came onto the scene and naloxone wasnt widely available the joke was that it cleaned up the DTES better than any government policy lmao

[Manic!]

Everyone agrees we need more rehab beds but who will staff them? Like it or not we have a shortage of workers.

[Hondaracer]

Yea, the defined drug crisis has only been happening for… checks watch.. the last decade. Not like we’ve had the time to train multiple rounds of support staff.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Everyone agrees we need more rehab beds but who will staff them? Like it or not we have a shortage of workers.

Yeah but that's an absurd reason not to move forward with something. That's like the gun control argument in America.
It's time to at least put some things forward to get it moving.
Scholarships, infrastructure, programs, funding. These should be universally supported things, but unfortunately they won't be. Still they have an opportunity to push something forward.

[spoon.ek9]

there are lots of issues when it comes to hiring and retaining people into healthcare (nurses especially)and compensation is only tip of the iceberg. if you've never spent significant time in emergency, it's hard to truly comprehend some of the behaviours we see on a pretty regular basis. other areas in a hospital see their fair share of crap too but ER is for sure the most stressful environment with the highest turnover.

it's not just the drug abusers and/or homeless that make it tough, it's often times rude and entitled people who somehow think they can treat healthcare workers like absolute shit. this a huge topic to cover on it's own.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by westopher

Yeah but that's an absurd reason not to move forward with something. That's like the gun control argument in America.
It's time to at least put some things forward to get it moving.
Scholarships, infrastructure, programs, funding. These should be universally supported things, but unfortunately they won't be. Still they have an opportunity to push something forward.

I don't know funding and scholarships will help. I don't think have the people who want to be in that field.

[Hondaracer]

YouTube

If you can watch this with a straight face.. dunno what to tell ya.

Only JT would be so obtuse to try take “credit” and say reducing immigration numbers after his govt. opened the flood gates to support companies he knowingly supported using TFW like superstore, Telus, etc. is somehow laudable.

Oh.. bad actors you say.. you mean Guildford mall college giving out masters programs in 2.5 years was impossible to vet? Gee wiz Mr.Trudeau, you don’t say.

[SSM_DC5]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

there are lots of issues when it comes to hiring and retaining people into healthcare (nurses especially)and compensation is only tip of the iceberg. if you've never spent significant time in emergency, it's hard to truly comprehend some of the behaviours we see on a pretty regular basis. other areas in a hospital see their fair share of crap too but ER is for sure the most stressful environment with the highest turnover.

it's not just the drug abusers and/or homeless that make it tough, it's often times rude and entitled people who somehow think they can treat healthcare workers like absolute shit. this a huge topic to cover on it's own.

You're a hotel and the people deserve better service in all aspects, now wipe my ass and hurry up with my dinner cuz I pay my taxes
/sarcasm

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vOB7-dbYuCc

If you can watch this with a straight face.. dunno what to tell ya.

Only JT would be so obtuse to try take “credit” and say reducing immigration numbers after his govt. opened the flood gates to support companies he knowingly supported using TFW like superstore, Telus, etc. is somehow laudable.

Oh.. bad actors you say.. you mean Guildford mall college giving out masters programs in 2.5 years was impossible to vet? Gee wiz Mr.Trudeau, you don’t say.

what if it was a long play, to time it with re-election to 'solving a problem'

[Manic!]

Doug Ford in 2022.

Doug Ford wants to combat labour shortages with more immigrants

Province’s labour shortage could be eased with the fast-tracking of skilled trade workers, Premier Doug Ford says.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/pro...e15c2df8c.html

Smith said last month she wants to double the population to 10 million.

YouTube

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Manic!

I don't know funding and scholarships will help. I don't think have the people who want to be in that field.

There are people that are already in that field that are volunteering, or people doing it for 50k a year. You can seriously believe that if you made that wage 100k that it wouldn't get MORE people to do it. There's a number that will entice people to do anything. It's why we have grease trap cleaners and garbage collectors.
What's crazy is that anyone would expect the people who are dealing with saving peoples lives are doing it for the same price or less than the idiot who vapes all day and plays candy crush while holding a slow sign at construction sites.

[Hondaracer]

The only reason why more ER’s aren’t close is the enticement of OT pay, that’s it.

Nurses aren’t doing it because they see the system is in such disarray and want to do it for the warm fuzzy feelings.

If you want people to do a job, you increase the pay until people sign up to do it, period.

[westopher]

Yep. And not just pay. Benefits, growth opportunity, pension, benefits. There's lots of things to do to get people to do it, and if it doesn't entice people, it's cause it's not enough. Go up, go up, and go up until you solve the problem, and Honda you are going to LOVE me for this one, get rid of the fuckin admin bloat in the medical system. Streamline these processes and put the money where you need to put it. Into the actual caregivers like nurses, doctors, various techs and all that in the hospital.
I've also said it eleventy billion times. When 75% of your workforce are women of childbearing age GET SOME FUCKING CHILDCARE BENEFITS FOR YOUR STAFF FOR FUCKING SHITS SAKES.

[Hondaracer]

Honestly I think some of that would have been resolved with the private/public hybrid system.

[jing]

Childcare spaces are being incorporated into some of the new builds afaik