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Time to start double downing on Bitcoin, cad is going to shit, unless we and the rest of the world pulls some #make theworldgreatagain shit, and just exclude the USA. be friends with Russia, North Korea, China and India, why not all make money while eating kimchi hot pot drinking maotai, with a side of Russian women and butter chicken.
I wonder what Turd and the premiers will discuss in terms of a strategy to deal with Cheeto's tariffs.
The strategy that has been reported by the news is a "Team Canada" / full court press approach were we try to talk to every level of the US gov, and every (affected) business sector in the US to convince them that any tariffs levied on Canada will hurt the US and Americans as well since there is so much trade going back and forth between us.
I don't have very much confidence in how well the approach is going to work in the beginning because Trump is not someone that will easily listen to reason and facts, even when they are straightforwardly presented to him. But in the medium term when he actually starts seeing how undeniable the harm is doing to the US, he'll come around while fabricating some sort of fantasy that his tariff plan has worked, and now he can direct the US into playing nice with his trade partners again.
Trump is delusional in that sense -- to him, the truth is whatever he chooses to believe in, regardless of whether they are actually true or not. And of course he can change his mind about what truth is despite how the past and the present can be contradictory, but he would still be correct the whole time.
No but we should have been neutral. Why did we put tariffs on Chinese cars if we don't have any besides Tesla. Vietnam is communist too you think vinfast doesn't have government support? Don't forget da Chinese spy balloons
i dont understand how you think what we did was anything but neutral.
siding strongly with the US would be extraditing her to be tried there.
siding strongly with china would be freeing her.
they put her on house arrest in her own mansion on canadian soil.
^ that was a huge waste of resources, did they even go to trial? They released her at the end. Look at the 2 Michael's, turns out they were spy's and they want hush money cuz they were jailed for how long? What good did banning Huawei do? Banning tik Tok? You think apple, Google, Amazon, Tesla doesn't spy on you and take your data? What about Pokemon go and you took pictures of everything.
What about India, we were so happy to have suckers to pay us for cheap labour, turns out over 10000 of them had fake docs, they turning everything into Surrey Brampton, killed a few of each other and starting fights. Now what. Do you continue to let them in? Free to have separation movement here and try to sir up shit with home country? Bring their problems into Canada staying here illegally with tourist/ student visas to milk our tax dollars?
The strategy that has been reported by the news is a "Team Canada" / full court press approach were we try to talk to every level of the US gov, and every (affected) business sector in the US to convince them that any tariffs levied on Canada will hurt the US and Americans as well since there is so much trade going back and forth between us.
I don't have very much confidence in how well the approach is going to work in the beginning because Trump is not someone that will easily listen to reason and facts, even when they are straightforwardly presented to him. But in the medium term when he actually starts seeing how undeniable the harm is doing to the US, he'll come around while fabricating some sort of fantasy that his tariff plan has worked, and now he can direct the US into playing nice with his trade partners again.
Trump is delusional in that sense -- to him, the truth is whatever he chooses to believe in, regardless of whether they are actually true or not. And of course he can change his mind about what truth is despite how the past and the present can be contradictory, but he would still be correct the whole time.
A co worker and I were discussing another strategy that "Team Canada" could follow in response to Trump's threats of a 25 percent tariff on Canadian exports.
What if Canada jacked up the utility rates on electricity and water that is exported to the U.S?
If the Americans want electricity from Canada, Canada can jack up the utility rates by 300 percent. They want our bottled water? Jack up the price of freshwater exports.
A co worker and I were discussing another strategy that "Team Canada" could follow in response to Trump's threats of a 25 percent tariff on Canadian exports.
What if Canada jacked up the utility rates on electricity and water that is exported to the U.S?
If the Americans want electricity from Canada, Canada can jack up the utility rates by 300 percent. They want our bottled water? Jack up the price of freshwater exports.
I mean, thats how trade wars work.
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It appears he is 'threatening' the 25% tariffs and want Canada to clean up/tighten our immigration, no walk across border on 0 Avenue, etc. If Canada shows that they have tighten up things in terms of borders, then 25% tariffs might go down to the original 10%?
Welcome to the next 4 yrs where one tweet will get everyone jumping ... emergency meeting with premiers, ministers go on full defence mode, businesses shocked, etc.
^ that was a huge waste of resources, did they even go to trial? They released her at the end. Look at the 2 Michael's, turns out they were spy's and they want hush money cuz they were jailed for how long? What good did banning Huawei do? Banning tik Tok? You think apple, Google, Amazon, Tesla doesn't spy on you and take your data? What about Pokemon go and you took pictures of everything.
What about India, we were so happy to have suckers to pay us for cheap labour, turns out over 10000 of them had fake docs, they turning everything into Surrey Brampton, killed a few of each other and starting fights. Now what. Do you continue to let them in? Free to have separation movement here and try to sir up shit with home country? Bring their problems into Canada staying here illegally with tourist/ student visas to milk our tax dollars?
so then what are you saying? we should have been weak to china and opposed the US? you can't be weak or strong to both and clearly you don't like the middle option either.
i dont understand how you think what we did was anything but neutral.
siding strongly with the US would be extraditing her to be tried there.
siding strongly with china would be freeing her.
they put her on house arrest in her own mansion on canadian soil.
they should have never gotten involved. period.
US wanted her, US should have nab her the next time she stepped foot in the US or another US bitch country that could have done the dirty work. We didn't have to get involved. We could have just said NOPE to the US and told them to fuck off to do their own dirty work
that would have been the smarter middle ground to take. I don't think the US would have given repercussions if that was the Canadian stance. But noooo, of course, we had to follow the US with the 5G ban, and Huawei ban's so we got involved anyway as we clearly chose a side. Once you've done that you wouldn't have a choice but to follow up and nab the sneaky bitch in Vancouver and play second fiddle to a US kangaroo court
Failing to arrest her when she entered Canada is already "getting involved" and effectively taking China's side because it would be instantly breaking our extradition treaties in place with the USA. How well do you think that would have been received by the US?
Failing to arrest her when she entered Canada is already "getting involved" and effectively taking China's side because it would be instantly breaking our extradition treaties in place with the USA. How well do you think that would have been received by the US?
not well of course, but it wouldn't be the first time we said no to extradition treaties. We didn't end up extraditing that old Nazi guy that the Polish government wanted. Or the 26 buddy guy's that India wants from us (https://www.aninews.in/news/world/as...0241017184737/) why did we have to make this the hill we die on? now the fallout is a significantly worse relationship with the second-biggest importer of Canadian resources. I honestly don't think it would have soured bi-lateral relationships with the US because Trump was in power at that time and he didn't give a flying fuck about Canada.
that i don't know, you might be right. since she was living here I'm sure the US was giving CSIS all kinds of pressures to do something.
But once again, we are way too buddy buddy with the US and end up paying for it internationally. Especially now that they've turned a new face and see us as part of the "problem".
not well of course, but it wouldn't be the first time we said no to extradition treaties. We didn't end up extraditing that old Nazi guy that the Polish government wanted. Or the 26 buddy guy's that India wants from us (https://www.aninews.in/news/world/as...0241017184737/)
Do you think our extradition treaties with Poland and India have the same details, requirements, obligations etc as ours with the USA?
Yes, nothing came of it in the end. But you really would have wanted to play "Fuck around and find out" with the USA when Trump was at the helm last time?
Do you think our extradition treaties with Poland and India have the same details, requirements, obligations etc as ours with the USA?
I don't think this is a valid comparison, sorry.
this is exactly the reason why we got into the huawei mess and why we are in our current predicament of holding the proverbial bag.
You guys are right, there probably wasn't much choice on canada's part but we really got to start expanding our international markets and not be so heavily reliant on the US for our country's economic stability and prosperity. Cuz that orange fucker can turn on you in a dime and then what?
Its time we take a stance on international policies that impact Canadians and their welfare. Not just parrot what the USA wants. The question these dickbags politicians should be asking is what is best for Canada and Canadians and not how hard can we suck off the US president.
that i don't know, you might be right. since she was living here I'm sure the US was giving CSIS all kinds of pressures to do something.
But once again, we are way too buddy buddy with the US and end up paying for it internationally. Especially now that they've turned a new face and see us as part of the "problem".
I agree. 100 percent. The issue with our federal government, whether its a Liberal or Conservative government, is the lack of time and effort spent at the diplomatic level to forge stronger ties with other western allies. Stronger ties economically like more trade agreements with European countries in the EU and military ties within NATO.
Canada depends on the US so much economically in terms of trade of exports.
Having said that, the change in the geopolitical situation in the past few years with the ongoing Russia and Ukraine war, has made the U.S. depend more on Canada in terms of defending the Arctic. The geopolitical threat of the Russians.
I really think that Canada and U.S. know that the Russian navy send their submarines into Canadian wars to do recon work or whatever they want because Canada cannot afford to buy proper submarines to patrol the Arctic.
The U.S. needs Canada to step as a military ally. Our Armed Forces are doing that now with spending increases on NORAD:
Canada is not spending at the minimum of 2 percent of GDP as a NATO member because again we cannot afford to spend that much money on our military.
We depend on the U.S. and NATO to defend our country if shit really hit the fan in terms of a military situation.
Canada is known within NATO as a "freeloader."
-sad but true. We don't have a choice not to be buddy buddy with the Americans because we depend on them for our economy and for military support.
Ive said this to a lot of people, we literally have wealth underneath our feet. We have land! we have natural resources, we have fresh water and minerals. Oil and Gas.
Our natural endowment is god given and thus we should be one of the most prosperous nations on earth (we kinda were at one point).
But we give that shit away for peanuts. LITERAL peanuts. I see exports and imports all day long, that's my job. All I see is the declared value of our resources going out at like 1-2 dollars per TON while we import shit that are few hundred dollars per lb.
We are squandering this wealth. We should be charging all these fuckers an arm and a leg for our materials because in reality go get it from somewhere else then. you literally cant. this is especially true for the US. The fact that they got us by the balls and not reverse makes no sense when they are heavily dependent on Canadian resources for their standard of living.
Fuck this bullshit. MAKE CANADA GREAT AGAIN!
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and if your first nations and your crying about your land, fuck you. you should have killed more whiteys 200 years ago okay. that ship's sailed. all your treaties are horseshit, you are Canadian now just like the rest of us. you shouldn't get any special treatment anymore just like hondaracer shouldn't have to apologize for his ancestors and what they did 200 years ago.
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