Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

Exactly what I'm saying, the government in power makes almost no difference to your life. But it can negatively impact a lot of vulnerable people.

Bra.. seen the stats?

Record homeless, record food bank usage, record child poverty.

Who have we helped under the liberals?

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Yea.. I’ll be ok because between my wife and I we have 3 degrees and like 14 years of education. Not because the fucking govt

Why are you whining so fucking much now then? Seems like life is a nightmare for you?
Things go bad it's governments fault and things go good it's cause your smart? I thought conservatives stood for personal responsibility? Just kidding, I know they don't. They stand for claiming any accomplishments and blaming for any failures.
You're like the middle class HEHE these last couple days dude.

[Hondaracer]

Because both of us have worked hard and had luck to get where we are at and we gotta question whether we can afford that extra cheese at subway.

We’ve also had luck on our side we haven’t had to deal with any medical issues and everything that entails in Canada.

We’ve exceeded our own potential yet we live worse than we did a decade ago in terms of disposable income and quality of life.

[westopher]

In 2023, US corporate profits were around $3.69 trillion, which is a large increase from 2013 when profits were $2.22 trillion
You're mad at the wrong guy comrade.

[Hondaracer]

lol you don’t think Weston and Turd are in each others pockets?

The companies that fuck you over are hand in hand with the govt.

The fed approves things like the Rogers/Shaw merger, offshoring of work, etc. they are complicit in those profits.

I’m not so ignorant to ignore these globo corps are the root of my complaints, but the govt. has done nothing but encourage their behaviour.

Are the cons gonna do any better? Maybe not. But I’m willing to risk that chance because as you guys have said, what do I have to lose? Seems where I stand I only have gains to be made by having cons in power.

[westopher]

Literally 100% of history would say otherwise (reaganomics) but I guess we will see. I'll be happy if you're right, as I don't really care what party makes things better for the population if they do, but I really don't understand why right wing economics has to come with gutting the rights of marginalized people.
Like why are we still talking about the 0.000000000000000000001% of the population using the wrong shitter? Because it's a distraction of course while they fuck the environment and enrich themselves.

[Hondaracer]

See, that’s the falacy “left” leaning people live under. That liberal parties actually care about those people.

You’d think after a decade of almost no progress you’d understand that. Painting rainbow crosswalks and putting tampons in bathrooms is just virtue signaling, the liberals haven’t done anything tangible to actually progress the rights of these marginalized people other than throw them in the spotlight and say figure it out.

It’s even worse for natives. To think the initial liberal platform had reconciliation at one of their 5 cornerstone items and to look what a decade of that has summed up to? lol I’m no native lover but jfc even I feel bad for them.

Also I feel like using trickledown economics in reference to the cons platform is kind of funny given Trudeau version in pumping up employment and immigration numbers via TFW and foreign “students” is arguably an even bigger disaster. Because not only does it pad the pockets of wealthy corporations, it also takes away employment opportunities and encourages shitty work practices to thrive in the sake of the govt. padding their own numbers.

What’s worse?

[underscore]

Last I checked history shows us right wing economics are crap and perform worse than left wing economics. Thinking the cons can't cost you more is a mistake.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So every single private company I’ve ever worked for is based on metrics. Whether that’s profits, timelines, outcomes, etc. if you don’t meet those metrics, you are fired, your contract is terminated, you no longer get work based on your incompetence.

The opposite seems true in the public sector. You can continually prove you are not capable of meeting your obligations and continue to be awarded contracts. You can also consistently run cost overruns, not meet deadlines, etc. and still get work.

Don’t know who you’ve worked for in the private sector but if you operated a business in the construction industry like people do in the public sector, you wouldn’t last a year.

Nearly every customer that I've worked with has had their projects fail to meet those metrics. In my entire career I've seen a new facility finished ahead of schedule maybe once. Then in the end it doesn't even guarantee the project itself is actually designed correctly or of any use.

Then in their general operations they're all hugely inefficient, waste huge amounts of time, money, and product. Like throwing away half of what they produce levels of inefficient.

After all that a bunch of private companies end up taking subsidies or end up needing bailouts because of how badly they run.

[Hondaracer]

And who answers to those issues? Investors and employees. Not tax payers and constituents.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

lol you don’t think Weston and Turd are in each others pockets?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...ks-to-grocery/

“Pierre Poilievre has been standing up for months now pretending that he cares about high grocery prices faced by Canadians, and it turns out that his top adviser is working as a lobbyist for Loblaws,” Mr. Trudeau said. “I think that Mr. Poilievre owes some explanations to Canadians,” the Prime Minister said before repeating his comments in French.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ing-firm-with/

On the first business day after Pierre Poilievre’s election as Conservative Leader, the senior staff of a lobbying firm run by his top adviser established a second company housed out of the same office, with many of the same staff – but dropping the name Jenni Byrne.

Ms. Byrne is one of the most powerful Conservative operatives in the country. She attends Conservative caucus meetings and is directly involved in the party’s strategy and election planning. She is also CEO and minority shareholder of Jenni Byrne + Associates, a government and public relations firm.

[Dbone]

Honda, how many right wing, GRU sponsored podcasts do you listen to? You seem to have the same slant they keep pushing.

[Hondaracer]

Zero. I have a passing interest in politics in how assanine everyone involved is, and how poorly my tax dollars are spent, but I never listen to podcasts, commentary, etc. other than read the occasional article. I don’t follow a bunch of right wing weirdos on YouTube and instagram. I form my opinions based on what I see out in the world.

Everyone can go on about this and that about the cons and what they MIGHT do but guess what? We’re living in SHIT times lol, fiscally, socially, etc. etc. and that’s. result of a decade of liberal policies. You can also chalk up a lot of the current state of BC in terms of crime, addiction, and homelessness to left leaning NDP policies. So we’re subject to the double wammie from both federal and provincial levels, which is exactly why the last election was so close.

When everything is trash, time to try a different pile. Everyone has jumped ship on Turds party and you’ll see this in the next election. The promise of change is enough to vote the liberals out, your average voter doesn’t even care what the change is, they just want it. And I agree.

When you’re at the bottom, you can only go up.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

And who answers to those issues? Investors and employees.

Not often.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Bra.. seen the stats?

Record homeless, record food bank usage, record child poverty.

Who have we helped under the liberals?

- Increased the child tax benefit program
- Revitalized CCG (Canadian Coast Guard) which was demolished by Harper's government, re-opened closed bases and funded an entire fleet of new ships... I know I was involved in buying some of them
- Poured money back into sciences and scientific/research departments of the fed gov which was cut to nothing by Harper
- Modified OAS and pensions for increased eligibility for seniors
- Made protected parks out of massive swaths of land across the country
- Funded women's shelter initiaties cross country
- I beleive they made their cabinet almost 50/50 for male/female representation
- Lowered the national debt TWO times

I mean, I could go on and on if you like, but I'm sure you'll just ignore it since they never do anything right in your mind. Tunnel vision.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

We’re living in SHIT times lol, fiscally, socially, etc. etc. and that’s. result of a decade of liberal policies.

That's just a matter of perspective... namely yours. You see the world how you want to see it. If you think more positively and look for positives, you'll see more of it. Its called confirmation bias.

I'm having a great time minus aliexpress fucking around with me! Everywhere I go I see smiling happy people and friendly faces and my neighbours all seem pretty upbeat. If you decide the world is miserable you'll just find examples of it.

Everything is what you consume and project and that's your perspective. I mean think about it this way.. Jaws is a horror movie about a shark eating people right? If you watch it backwards it's an uplifting story of a shark giving limbs to amputees.

All depends how you want to see things

[Hondaracer]

I hear ya.. but do you think that’s actually anything to be celebrated after a decade in power? Honestly.

Look at the chart on this page

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicato...n%20Mar%201962.

National debt has skyrocketed almost tracking month to month with liberal leadership.

You can’t go from spending $10 to $1000 a month then celebrate when you get it down to $950, like come on, you’re not being realistic here.

I can appreciate I’m not living in South Sudan, but I should be living better than I am.

[donk.]

Spoiler!

didnt mean to single you out in the meme Hondaracer

[Hondaracer]

lol nah got me to crack a smile, well done.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I should be living better than I am.

Typical entitled millennial. /s

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by 68style

- Increased the child tax benefit program
- Revitalized CCG (Canadian Coast Guard) which was demolished by Harper's government, re-opened closed bases and funded an entire fleet of new ships... I know I was involved in buying some of them
- Poured money back into sciences and scientific/research departments of the fed gov which was cut to nothing by Harper
- Modified OAS and pensions for increased eligibility for seniors
- Made protected parks out of massive swaths of land across the country
- Funded women's shelter initiaties cross country
- I beleive they made their cabinet almost 50/50 for male/female representation
- Lowered the national debt TWO times

I mean, I could go on and on if you like, but I'm sure you'll just ignore it since they never do anything right in your mind. Tunnel vision.

I think they could've done more with the economy, particularly with resource extraction and making environmental reviews easier.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I hear ya.. but do you think that’s actually anything to be celebrated after a decade in power? Honestly.

Look at the chart on this page

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicato...n%20Mar%201962.

National debt has skyrocketed almost tracking month to month with liberal leadership.

Not spending is how Germany is completely stagnant atm - they run balanced budgets every year for decades.

You probably have a point with the effectiveness of the spending ... but KPI/improvement becomes more an art than science when the system gets big enough.
If it were that easy, Stellantis and Nissan whose only goal is to sell cars would've unfucked themselves a decade ago.

Most of the underperformance is organizational structure, incentives, partnerships that take a big shakeup/genius human to unfuck.

[AstulzerRZD]

IMO blockers to all of these solutions are more human, incentive, and organizational problems than anything you can measure with KPIs.
Human wise, commonwealth countries generally risk averse and prefer investing in tangible goods like real estate, even if it means money is less productive.
US RE is more of a tax/estate loophole more than it is a real investment; takes 4-5 years and operations to flip your money once? Way better ways to flip ur money quickly.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

1) Invest in infra so we lower marginal cost of production; key inputs are transport and energy
-> Need better rail for transporting goods to people; better ports innovation like Singaproe

Port Union, CN rail, land owners all gotta play ball to get new land alignments, new port for new jobs, automation. Also need to improve interprovincial free trade. What's your KPI here?

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

2) Go ham on hydro / small nuclear / every piece of running water to make Canada green data centers for future of AI

Good fucking luck with environmental reviews & people complaining about data centers/5G. Quebec's kinda on top of their game here.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

3) Provide certainty in biz environment to attract investment, esp with tariff uncertainty

Canadian gov couldn't backstop Bombardier or come up with a solution to keep them from getting bought out; if we can't help one of our prized monopolies, everyone else is fucked unless they're Chinese miners where state is taking on the risk.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

4) Go ham on raw earth approvals - nat gas, fracking, LNG, etc.

5) Process more locally - no way we'll have oil sands processing but what about lumber?

Why invest in this shit when you could just put it into real estate ... oh wait.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

7) Unrelated but municipalities MUST upzone and increase property taxes on SFH - cost of providing infrastructure in such a vast place nearly bankrupted Guelph and makes it far more expensive to provide services whether it's medical, transport, eudcation, etc. It robs us of our ability to invest in anything beyond basic service.

Landowners voting consistently & contributing to local/provincial politics is a huge blocker here. NDP caught so much shit for mandating municipalities pretty please build some houses given the # of people we know are going to move there.

[AstulzerRZD]

IMO Pierre isn't about to unfuck this but David Eby + another competent Federal partner might.
NDP need to start by unfucking the lumber file.

[noclue]

We need mark carney for PM with his credentials but he got painted as a globalist elite and there’s too many dumb people in canada that believe it.

[Hondaracer]

Surely someone worth a hundred billion will be different than all the past failures of the ultra wealthy leading countries and cities.

He’s one of the few you could probably recruit who would be more out of touch with reality than Turd.