Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

What is one thing that is free at the federal level?

Wiping their asses probably cost tax payers a few thousand.

[CivicBlues]

Apparently we can't focus on more than one thing at a time.

Either it's the economy

OR

BATHROOMS FOR TRANS PEOPLE!

Either it's:
We support Ukraine by providing materiel and financial support

OR

WE GO TO WAR with RUSSIA!

Fucks sake

[Hondaracer]

I think quality of life and money in your pocket is largely tied to all those items.

Since 2022, Canada has provided over 400 million dollars to Haiti

https://www.international.gc.ca/worl....aspx?lang=eng

That’s an amazing use of resources, surely things will resolve themselves shortly.

Someone please defend those contributions, I’d love to hear it.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Apparently we can't focus on more than one thing at a time.

Either it's the economy

OR

BATHROOMS FOR TRANS PEOPLE!

Either it's:
We support Ukraine by providing materiel and financial support

OR

WE GO TO WAR with RUSSIA!

Fucks sake

It's about really getting down to the real problem and solve it from there. But our gov't is not doing that.

Economy is fucked because of inflation. What's the actual cause? It's the careless spending of our gov't. They are the only entity in the economy who is capable of creating money out of thin air, thus, inflation.

The government wants to paint the picture of "it's all the rich people and big corporation's greed that's causing the inflation". But no... they do not have the power to do that. Everything being the same, when someone charges more than what it's worth, either consumption would decrease, or new competitors would enter the market. It's simple Econ 101. There is no company or person in the world outside of gov't who bears the power of controlling inflation.

Bathroom/changing room issue? What's the actual problem here? Simple. No one wants to be force to do what they don't want to. A girl doesn't want to see dicks hanging in their changing room, but a dude identifying himself as a girl wants to use a changing room with other dudes. Simple, you put a "universal" changing/bathroom in the middle and that's it. Everyone can go and leave the male/female washroom for the rest of "typical" people.

Russia/Ukraine War? Russia doesn't want Ukraine to NATO, Ukraine wants to NATO. If NATO supports Ukraine, just NATO it and invoke Article 5. The war is dragging for so long because Ukraine has so much of NATO's weapon/money anyway. And if the idea for such a support is to eventually let Ukraine NATO, why not just do it? Stop the fucking bullshit face-saving saying "oh... we are peace-lovers and we don't go to war". Power is power. The reason the war is still ongoing is because NATO hasn't done anything. Should NATO announce that they will enter the war if peace treaty is not signed within a week, I'd find it hard to believe that Russia would not come to the round table for a discussion.

It's not a question of either-or, but actually get to the root of it.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

It’s utterly insane that people are so hung up frivolous social issues when we have

- highest ever levels of child poverty

Doesn't appear true: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cam...erty-1.7387176

"On average, [the CCB] reduced child poverty by 8.8 percentage points annually. In 2022, it reduced child poverty by 7.8 percentage points, the lowest reduction to date," the report said.

According to the Statistics Canada data used by Campaign 2000, 20.9 per cent of children under the age of 18 were living in poverty in Canada when the Liberals came to power.

Over the next five years, that percentage gradually reduced — first to 19.6 per cent in 2016, then to 18.6 per cent in 2017, before hitting 18.2 and 17.7 in the subsequent two years. The child poverty rate then dropped significantly to 13.5 per cent in 2020, when the federal government rolled out its pandemic support program.

But since pandemic benefits stopped flowing and inflation started rising, poverty among children and families has been on the rise, first to 15.6 per cent in 2021 and then to 18.1 per cent in 2022.

While that rate is still almost three percentage points lower than it was when the Liberals came to power, Campaign 2000 is concerned that the rate is now trending upward again.

So the Libs launched a program that significantly reduced child poverty in 2015 and it was good enough that it managed to weather some very difficult inflationary times and still be ahead of what they were handed by the Conservatives in 2015 but you'll probably call it a lie b/c the story came from the CBC.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

- highest wait times for healthcare EVER

While I believe that wait times are longer than ever I'm a skeptic that it actually tells us that the health care system is doing that much worse than ever because what's tracked increasingly covers issues that are not urgent and/or preventative care continues to improve. A better metric is how we are doing with priority procedures or illnesses and those numbers look ok:

https://www.cihi.ca/en/wait-times-fo...in-canada-2024

Between April and September 2023, fewer patients received a hip or knee replacement within the recommended 6 months compared with the same period in 2019, despite an increase in the number of surgeries performed (18% and 15%, respectively).

Cataract surgery wait times have returned to pre-pandemic levels, with 70% of patients treated within the recommended 112 days in 2023 (the percentage had dropped to 45% in 2020).

While most patients received radiation therapy or hip fracture repair within benchmark (94% and 82%, respectively), the percentage decreased slightly (3% to 4%) between 2019 and 2023.

Median wait times were 2 to 4 days longer for breast, bladder, colorectal and lung cancer surgeries in 2023 than in 2019, and 11 days longer for prostate cancer surgery.

Between April and September 2023, median wait times were 7 days longer for MRI scans and 4 days longer for CT scans compared with the same period in 2019.

The Fraser Institute likes to really push wait times b/c it's their excuse to say that we need to privatise health care so they use a methodology to make the numbers look as bad as possible without considering that different illnesses have different timelines and that our understanding of issues has improved on what needs to be done urgently.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

- highest rents EVER
- highest housing costs EVER

This is more a municipal problem than a federal problem and while the Liberals made it worse with immigration the problem lies with local governments first and foremost then provincial then federal. Just as PP won't be able to do much about this, the Liberals couldn't either unless they invested in social housing (restarting a program that was killed in the 80s and 90s that did have real impact to housing prices) - PP is absolutely NOT going to restart social housing programs.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I got banned from the Canada sub Reddit for suggesting Indian TFW dragging their families to Canada puts extreme stress on an already failing healthcare system as that was viewed as “racist”

I don't know, you seem like a pretty big asshole and liar here so not surprised you're an asshole on Reddit too.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Oh, all the things turd has said to get elected. Where do I begin?

Do you see how all the politicians are the same?

Just because you agree/disagree to something they said doesnÂ’t make it any different. TheyÂ’ve got one principle and that is to get votes. Whatever you guys say here on pp, you change pp to turd and the sentence would still make sense.

So is pp going to slow down or speed up immigration. Because in this video he wants to speed it up.

Streamable

Also about the washroom issue. Just to individual stalls. Cactus club in Kelowna was multiple separate washrooms.


Do you really want this person in a washroom with little girls?

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hehe

It's about really getting down to the real problem and solve it from there. But our gov't is not doing that.

Economy is fucked because of inflation. What's the actual cause? It's the careless spending of our gov't. They are the only entity in the economy who is capable of creating money out of thin air, thus, inflation.

The government wants to paint the picture of "it's all the rich people and big corporation's greed that's causing the inflation". But no... they do not have the power to do that. Everything being the same, when someone charges more than what it's worth, either consumption would decrease, or new competitors would enter the market. It's simple Econ 101. There is no company or person in the world outside of gov't who bears the power of controlling inflation.

Bathroom/changing room issue? What's the actual problem here? Simple. No one wants to be force to do what they don't want to. A girl doesn't want to see dicks hanging in their changing room, but a dude identifying himself as a girl wants to use a changing room with other dudes. Simple, you put a "universal" changing/bathroom in the middle and that's it. Everyone can go and leave the male/female washroom for the rest of "typical" people.

Russia/Ukraine War? Russia doesn't want Ukraine to NATO, Ukraine wants to NATO. If NATO supports Ukraine, just NATO it and invoke Article 5. The war is dragging for so long because Ukraine has so much of NATO's weapon/money anyway. And if the idea for such a support is to eventually let Ukraine NATO, why not just do it? Stop the fucking bullshit face-saving saying "oh... we are peace-lovers and we don't go to war". Power is power. The reason the war is still ongoing is because NATO hasn't done anything. Should NATO announce that they will enter the war if peace treaty is not signed within a week, I'd find it hard to believe that Russia would not come to the round table for a discussion.

It's not a question of either-or, but actually get to the root of it.

Again fail to see how the trans bathroom issue is causing our economy to fail or inflation to rise. Can you please explain this to me? If it's just another straw on the camel's back wrt government spending, why be so fixed on it bring it up in every god damn conversation?

And the reason why NATO isn't attacking Russia right now is because clearer heads don't want the fucking WORLD TO END in a Nuclear Holocaust. Jesus christ.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Doesn't appear true: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cam...erty-1.7387176



So the Libs launched a program that significantly reduced child poverty in 2015 and it was good enough that it managed to weather some very difficult inflationary times and still be ahead of what they were handed by the Conservatives in 2015 but you'll probably call it a lie b/c the story came from the CBC.



While I believe that wait times are longer than ever I'm a skeptic that it actually tells us that the health care system is doing that much worse than ever because what's tracked increasingly covers issues that are not urgent and/or preventative care continues to improve. A better metric is how we are doing with priority procedures or illnesses and those numbers look ok:

https://www.cihi.ca/en/wait-times-fo...in-canada-2024



The Fraser Institute likes to really push wait times b/c it's their excuse to say that we need to privatise health care so they use a methodology to make the numbers look as bad as possible without considering that different illnesses have different timelines and that our understanding of issues has improved on what needs to be done urgently.



This is more a municipal problem than a federal problem and while the Liberals made it worse with immigration the problem lies with local governments first and foremost then provincial then federal. Just as PP won't be able to do much about this, the Liberals couldn't either unless they invested in social housing (restarting a program that was killed in the 80s and 90s that did have real impact to housing prices) - PP is absolutely NOT going to restart social housing programs.



I don't know, you seem like a pretty big asshole and liar here so not surprised you're an asshole on Reddit too.

More families are living in poverty than ever before and it’s skyrocket since that 2015 program

https://campaign2000.ca/wp-content/u...ov-18-2024.pdf

With the largest increase happening in 2022.

CBC article outlining the same thing:

Child poverty is rising swiftly in Canada and the Liberal government's Canada Child Benefit "has lost its power to sustain poverty reduction" and bring down income inequality, says a new report from Campaign 2000.

The anti-poverty group's annual report card on child and family poverty in Canada found that there are now 1.4 million children living in poverty across the country, with another 360,000 children falling into poverty over the last two years.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7387176

The fact that this is even a discussion is enough.

[JDMDreams]

NATO can't attack Russia but it's ok for USA to take over Canada and Greenland. I'm fine with China taking back Taiwan and Russia keeping Ukraine.

[unit]

oh well geez if JDMDreams is fine with it then what are we all doing standing around??

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Economy is fucked because of inflation. What's the actual cause? It's the careless spending of our gov't. They are the only entity in the economy who is capable of creating money out of thin air, thus, inflation.

The government wants to paint the picture of "it's all the rich people and big corporation's greed that's causing the inflation". But no... they do not have the power to do that. Everything being the same, when someone charges more than what it's worth, either consumption would decrease, or new competitors would enter the market. It's simple Econ 101. There is no company or person in the world outside of gov't who bears the power of controlling inflation.

Tell me you failed Econ 101 back in ugrad without telling me you failed Econ 101 back in ugrad.

In case you were hiding under a rock in the past 4 years, we got hit with all of the following that completely screwed up the world's economy, job market, and supply chain:

- COVID
- Russia-Ukraine war

These led to the initial inflation pressures that the WHOLE WORLD had faced, and no gov other than Russia could have done anything to prevent the inflation caused by these issues.

You can make an argument for how our gov and the central bank's policies have further worsened inflationary pressures, and you would only be partially correct. Had the gov not given out COVID era handouts, the impacts to our economy would have been far worse (than the subsequent inflation that we saw). The central bank's interest rate hikes inadvertently resulted in some much higher housing costs, but it also guided the economic decline to a soft landing.

Yes, Turd has some bad policies that added more pressure to inflation, with its overly aggressive immigration policy being a main driving factor. But don't blame everything on the gov bcos it just ain't true.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

More families are living in poverty than ever before and it’s skyrocket since that 2015 program

https://campaign2000.ca/wp-content/u...ov-18-2024.pdf

With the largest increase happening in 2022.

CBC article outlining the same thing:



https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7387176

The fact that this is even a discussion is enough.

So what are the Cons proposing that will help with it?

[unit]

Originally Posted by Traum

Tell me you failed Econ 101 back in ugrad without telling me you failed Econ 101 back in ugrad.

In case you were hiding under a rock in the past 4 years, we got hit with all of the following that completely screwed up the world's economy, job market, and supply chain:

- COVID
- Russia-Ukraine war

These led to the initial inflation pressures that the WHOLE WORLD had faced, and no gov other than Russia could have done anything to prevent the inflation caused by these issues.

You can make an argument for how our gov and the central bank's policies have further worsened inflationary pressures, and you would only be partially correct. Had the gov not given out COVID era handouts, the impacts to our economy would have been far worse (than the subsequent inflation that we saw). The central bank's interest rate hikes inadvertently resulted in some much higher housing costs, but it also guided the economic decline to a soft landing.

Yes, Turd has some bad policies that added more pressure to inflation, with its overly aggressive immigration policy being a main driving factor. But don't blame everything on the gov bcos it just ain't true.

no matter how many times this point gets brought up on this forum it falls on deaf ears.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by underscore

So what are the Cons proposing that will help with it?

The opposite of what the libs have done to drive all this? lol

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

More families are living in poverty than ever before and it’s skyrocket since that 2015 program

https://campaign2000.ca/wp-content/u...ov-18-2024.pdf

With the largest increase happening in 2022.

The quote is a misrepresentation of the facts - more total families are living in poverty because of population growth but the percentage that are living in poverty is down since the Liberal took power. It was 20.9% when the Conservatives handed it over, bottomed out at 13.5% in 2020 and has risen to 18.1% in 2022 - it's still better than it was 10 years ago.

The program worked when it started, it's now struggling to deal with the effects of inflation.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The fact that this is even a discussion is enough.

I know right? Let's discuss how the Conservative gov't under Stephen Harper with the support of PP let child poverty rise to nearly 21% (the highest numbers since the 70s) and ask them what their plan is now to address child poverty since this seems like an issue that even a childless person like you seem so concerned about. I'm listening.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Do you really want this person in a washroom with little girls?

I don't know, are they planning to use those gloves on the girls?

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by supafamous

The quote is a misrepresentation of the facts - more total families are living in poverty because of population growth but the percentage that are living in poverty is down since the Liberal took power. It was 20.9% when the Conservatives handed it over, bottomed out at 13.5% in 2020 and has risen to 18.1% in 2022 - it's still better than it was 10 years ago.

The program worked when it started, it's now struggling to deal with the effects of inflation.



I know right? Let's discuss how the Conservative gov't under Stephen Harper with the support of PP let child poverty rise to nearly 21% (the highest numbers since the 70s) and ask them what their plan is now to address child poverty since this seems like an issue that even a childless person like you seem so concerned about. I'm listening.

Don’t have a kid you can’t afford

Don’t bring migrant families here with 10 kids

[supafamous]

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/01...der-next-year/

Christy Clark opts out of Liberal leadership race in order to run for NDP leader next year

VANCOUVER – Former B.C. Premier Christy Clark has opted not to run for leader of the federal Liberal Party, stating she intends to run for leader of the NDP when Jagmeet Singh steps down.

“For the past week the debate has been whether I’m a Liberal or a Conservative,” said Clark. “But the truth is I’ve been a lifelong member of the New Democratic Party. I’d show you proof but my membership card was recently burned in a fire after it was also stolen in a robbery and eaten by my dog.”

“I just… love government spending and social services,” she added through gritted teeth.

As Premier of B.C. Clark faced off against the provincial NDP in multiple elections and governed from the centre-right, with a focus on business relations and tax cuts. But she now says she only did all that to service the greater good of a socialist utopia.

“In order to get the electorate in B.C. to unite behind a vision for the province that prioritizes workers and the common good, they first had to see how bad things get when governed by a textbook neoliberal. So I begrudgingly took that role on. You’re welcome.”

Clark insists this is not just another example of her putting personal ambition over political principles.

“I would never put my desire to be a party leader over my beliefs, which as everyone knows now consist of raising the tax on the 1% and supporting union rights. I should mention though that I am also passionate about Quebec Sovereignty. Does anyone know when the Bloc Quebecois may be holding their next leadership race?”

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The opposite of what the libs have done to drive all this? lol

So you have no clue, you're just assuming they'll maybe do something, based on nothing.

[Hondaracer]

lol is it my job to figure that out?

If they haven’t released their platform how am I suppose to know what their intent is?

[JDMDreams]

We should get Ja rule on the phone, let's see what Ja's thoughts are on what Canada should do.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

lol is it my job to figure that out?

If they haven’t released their platform how am I suppose to know what their intent is?

You tell me, you're the one convinced they'll improve these things despite history telling us the exact opposite.

[Hondaracer]

As opposed to the decade of failure that’s preceded him?

Would you have confidence in the liberals turning this around under a new leader? The exact same scenario applies. There is no precedent to predict any improvement based on the last decade of incompetence.

The Conservative Party at least has done through almost two full overhauls since last having power.

This isn’t a situation like in Europe etc. where people are “tired” of the encumbant and vote in a “scary” right wing govt.

We’ve lived through a decade of abject failure. The evidence for change is right in front of you.

If nothing else we get a new clown in charge of the circus, there isn’t one person I know who supports the guy any longer. Even staunch liberal supporters and people I’d almost certainly would expect to lean left half abandoned their support of the liberal party.

[AstulzerRZD]

Yes they're incompetent but they also pulled off more than Pierre's ever talked about:L

- LNG terminals online this year, battery resources now leverage for negotiating with trump
- EV plants funded in Ontario growing supply chain
- SRED credits and business incentive
- High speed rail

[noclue]

The only thing that annoys me with these social policies is that you just know they paid some consultants a ton of money and the RFP to implement it went to some shady company.