Canadian politics thread

[whitev70r]

Has JDMDreams ever met Hondaracer in person? Something tells me they would make good friends, travelling companions, and future neighbours in Portugal.

[JDMDreams]

https://financialpost.com/news/canad...cline-40-years


Canada's standard of living on track for worst decline in 40 years
Slump in GDP per person threatens to be longest and largest since 1985, says study

For example, between 2000 and 2023 Canada had the second highest rate of aggregate GDP growth in the G7, but one of the lowest growth rates per person.

Not only does Canada lag most developed economies, Canadian provinces also fall far behind almost all U.S. states, said Trevor Tombe, a professor of economics at the University of Calgary, in a column last year for the Hub.

Ontario last year had a per-person level of economic output similar to Alabama, said Tombe. The Maritimes were below Mississippi, and Quebec and Manitoba lag West Virginia.

Canada’s strongest economy, Alberta beat the U.S. average, but ranked 14th overall.

“It’s roughly comparable to New Jersey and Texas, but 13 per cent below California and nearly one-quarter below New York,” wrote Tombe.

Yea things are going great, taxes is gonna make us great again to be #2

[JDMDreams]

From Bad to Worse: Canada’s Productivity Slowdown is Everyone’s Problem

https://economics.td.com/ca-productivity-bad-to-worse

If Canada does not play to win on labour productivity, it risks a continued drop in living standards, worsening wage stagnation and a dangerous deterioration in public services.

There's no way you can say things are going to be great in Canada with a straight face for the next 10 - 20 years.

[Hondaracer]

lol this is how gross our justice system is..

https://vpd.ca/news/2025/01/16/vpd-s...anada-wide-17/

This guy was the guy who stabbed the Mexican tourist in Tim Hortons, was granted early release, INSTANTLY violated parole conditions and was in a Canada wide warrant, arrested again and charged

And then tonight the guy once again just walks away from half way house, another Canada wide warrant

[Klondike]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chr...ader-1.7434083

Chrysler Freeland running for Liberal leader. Yeah I dunno about that

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

It’s a nicer neighborhood but even there they are seeing homeless encampments and shit now

is that in the forested areas? there's a lot of parks and treed areas but when i drive thru on the main roads never noticed much.

Originally Posted by Klondike

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chr...ader-1.7434083

Chrysler Freeland running for Liberal leader. Yeah I dunno about that

she understands the blight of the people, netflix fees

[Hondaracer]

So this whole Dunsmuir house demolition is quite interesting when you look at this saga.

Firstly I didn’t realize Holburn, the same company that fucked the city with the development of that huge property at little mountain they they made hundreds of millions off by just holding onto ultimately forcing the cities hand to remove the social housing aspects is chaired by the son of one of Malaysia’s wealthiest families:

https://vancouversun.com/business/lo...r-developments

After buying dunsmuir house in 2006 they say there was political pressure to use it those homeless to get them off the streets during the olympics, and ultimately somehow won a settlement after the fact due to the conditions the building was “left in” after they had been taking rent etc. from the tenants..

They’ve then left the building to rot until ultimately CoV determined it was in such a state they had no other choice but to force demolition

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/l...olborn-9982896

If you left a single family home deteriorate to the point of being demolished, you’d be forced to do insane amounts of abatement, recycling of materials, and slapped with fine after fine

Yet.. for a building that encompasses an entire city block a city order allows you to demolish it over a weekend?…

There also seems to be a loophole where when you demolish existing social housing, you could he on the hook for $300,000 per unit in fines. However, given this building was not inhabited, there likely isn’t recourse to seek these fines from Holborn..

Just yet another sack of shit overseas investor just toying with local govt. ffs..

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by GLOW

is that in the forested areas? there's a lot of parks and treed areas but when i drive thru on the main roads never noticed much.



she understands the blight of the people, netflix fees

idk if her statement about vibecession will ever leave my mind

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So this whole Dunsmuir house demolition is quite interesting when you look at this saga.

Firstly I didnÂ’t realize Holburn, the same company that fucked the city with the development of that huge property at little mountain they they made hundreds of millions off by just holding onto ultimately forcing the cities hand to remove the social housing aspects is chaired by the son of one of MalaysiaÂ’s wealthiest families:

https://vancouversun.com/business/lo...r-developments

After buying dunsmuir house in 2006 they say there was political pressure to use it those homeless to get them off the streets during the olympics, and ultimately somehow won a settlement after the fact due to the conditions the building was “left in” after they had been taking rent etc. from the tenants..

TheyÂ’ve then left the building to rot until ultimately CoV determined it was in such a state they had no other choice but to force demolition

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/l...olborn-9982896

If you left a single family home deteriorate to the point of being demolished, youÂ’d be forced to do insane amounts of abatement, recycling of materials, and slapped with fine after fine

Yet.. for a building that encompasses an entire city block a city order allows you to demolish it over a weekend?Â…

There also seems to be a loophole where when you demolish existing social housing, you could he on the hook for $300,000 per unit in fines. However, given this building was not inhabited, there likely isnÂ’t recourse to seek these fines from Holborn..

Just yet another sack of shit overseas investor just toying with local govt. ffs..

Another overseas investor that took advantage of the loopholes in Vancouver city by laws and weaknesses in civic government legislation is how I see it.

Holborn's CEO Joo Kim Tiah sounds interesting...outside of his work persona.
An acquaintance of mine is a friend of this CEO.

Apparently, Mr. Tiah's favourite hobby is being a drummer in a heavy metal band. He's on Instagram.

[Manic!]

The con lead is drooping.


https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.p...11-point-lead/

Conservative Party holds 11-point lead

Are we moving from ordered to epistemic populism?

The Conservative Party enjoys a healthy lead of 11 points over the second-place Liberals but this is significantly lower than the 19-point lead we found in our fall update. At 37 points, the Conservatives lead everywhere outside Quebec. The Liberals trail at 26 per cent, while the NDP are 23 per cent. The Conservatives have a staggering lead with men but find themselves in a statistical tie with the Liberals among women and they fare particularly poorly among young women. The NDP leads with those under 35, while the Conservative Party’s largest constituencies are those aged 35 to 64.

[EvoFire]

^ That sounds about what I would expect really. Depending who the Liberals get to lead, PP might just end up with a minority gov't and we lame duck for another 4 years.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

https://financialpost.com/news/canad...cline-40-years

Canada's standard of living on track for worst decline in 40 years
Slump in GDP per person threatens to be longest and largest since 1985, says study. For example, between 2000 and 2023 Canada had the second highest rate of aggregate GDP growth in the G7, but one of the lowest growth rates per person.

And yes, this should be a top 3 item (maybe even the top one) for the election - who has the better plan (and the credentials) to get productivity up?

PP's catchphrases and taglines show he doesn't understand how to fix the problem - he's just tossing out typical Conservative ideas (cut tax and regulations) that have largely been discredited (it makes the rich richer and that's about it)

We need a plan that improves the skill level and availability of our workforce, provides them with the modern tools, equipment, and infrastructure to leverage those skills, and provides them the support to go work (healthcare, childcare, social services).

PP doesn't give a shit about any of that and Trudeau dropped the ball too much of it during his time. (And Jagmeet has no creditability here).

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Ontario last year had a per-person level of economic output similar to Alabama, said Tombe. The Maritimes were below Mississippi, and Quebec and Manitoba lag West Virginia.

Canada’s strongest economy, Alberta beat the U.S. average, but ranked 14th overall.

“It’s roughly comparable to New Jersey and Texas, but 13 per cent below California and nearly one-quarter below New York,” wrote Tombe.

Yea things are going great, taxes is gonna make us great again to be #2

And how's the quality of life in Alabama, West Virginia and Mississippi? These are some of the worst rated states in terms of education, healthcare, and environment.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/west-virginia
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/mississippi

It's not all about GDP per capita - the money needs to be put to good use. More money in pockets doesn't do us much good if we keep dying young from bad healthcare and pollution. More money in our pockets doesn't mean much if we can't get help during hard times. More money can't help if we don't have infrastructure. More money doesn't matter if we don't have human rights (say abortion? lack of gun violence?).

Cons talk about the world in one dimension - more money in their pocket, less in everyone else's. Some for thee but none for the rest of us.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Klondike

Chrysler Freeland running for Liberal leader. Yeah I dunno about that

On paper, Carney is looking really good. The fact that he was appointed BoC governor by Harper could add distance for him between himself and the Liberals establishment. The biggest potential liability is that he might get labelled as an elitist.

It is almost funny how the Cons instantly jumped on attacking Carbon Tax Carney. For me, the incessant name-calling is really getting old, esp when Carney has already heavily hinted he plans on dropping (the consumer portion of) the carbon tax.

Against Carney, I honestly don't think Freeland has a good chance to win the leadership race. She carries too much of Turd's baggage with her, and that would not be popular among mainstream voters regardless of who the Liberals membership support.

But all of this really highlights how much Turd's late stage resignation is hurting the Liberals brand. Had Turd been willing to resign much earlier, the Libs would have far more time to go through a proper leadership race, and build up the national level recognition of their next leader.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

^ That sounds about what I would expect really. Depending who the Liberals get to lead, PP might just end up with a minority gov't and we lame duck for another 4 years.

I'd be blown away if the Bloq actually forms official opposition.

Liberal or NDP more likely?

[Hondaracer]

I dunno what Freeland is thinking running.. either she understands the party looks like a joke if it’s only Carney running or she’s that delusional that anyone would be dumb enough to support her

[AstulzerRZD]

She probably has very high internal support.

[Hondaracer]

You’d be a fool to support her. Of course I wouldn’t put anything passed the current party members but if you don’t understand that the perception of the general public is that she is just Trudeau lite, you’re oblivious.

She’s also just not a personable/likeable person in terms of charisma and persona Christy Clark looks like JFK in comparison

[CivicBlues]

So sick of hearing "hurr durr CaNaDa is WoRSe OfF thAn MiSsIssIppI!!"

Have you guys been paying attention to our dollar lately? Yes it's fucking 40% less of course we would look shitty under a GDP measured in USD. They say the same thing about the UK, Europe now, but no one is saying life in Birmingham, MS is way better than life in Birmingham,UK (Maybe it is I dunno)

Individual States don't exist as independent economies. It's often stated the economy of California is the 5th or 6th largest depending on who you ask but if it were to suddenly separate and build a wall around the rest of the US it would fall precipitously because demand would drop off a cliff, defense industry would exit, etc. It's not an Apples to Apples comparison.

[Hondaracer]

Those GDP and productivity numbers posted previously are measured against all the G7 countries.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

So sick of hearing "hurr durr CaNaDa is WoRSe OfF thAn MiSsIssIppI!!"

Have you guys been paying attention to our dollar lately? Yes it's fucking 40% less of course we would look shitty under a GDP measured in USD. They say the same thing about the UK, Europe now, but no one is saying life in Birmingham, MS is way better than life in Birmingham,UK (Maybe it is I dunno)

Individual States don't exist as independent economies. It's often stated the economy of California is the 5th or 6th largest depending on who you ask but if it were to suddenly separate and build a wall around the rest of the US it would fall precipitously because demand would drop off a cliff, defense industry would exit, etc. It's not an Apples to Apples comparison.

You can put all the stat comparisons in the world on the internet, but 99% of people never did an entry level university stats course and have no fucking clue how to interpret them into meaningful opinions.
It's just like when these retards saw 10 deaths of vaccinated people and 10 deaths of unvaccinated people in BC and were like HIRRRRR SEEEE VACCINES NO WORKY SAME DEATH! Without having the slightest fucking bit of comprehension to realize there were 9x more people that were vaccinated than unvaccinated, never mind the demographics on top of that.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Those GDP and productivity numbers posted previously are measured against all the G7 countries.

Need to consider the very vast geography of Canada and the additional cost of supporting that.

Every single dollar the gov spends on infrastructure for rural / SFH suburbs is a dollar we can't invest into shit like high speed rail.

Guelph almost went bankrupt cuz SFH means crazy low tax revenue and crazy high expenses.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Individual States don't exist as independent economies. It's often stated the economy of California is the 5th or 6th largest depending on who you ask but if it were to suddenly separate and build a wall around the rest of the US it would fall precipitously because demand would drop off a cliff, defense industry would exit, etc. It's not an Apples to Apples comparison.

I've always wondered how things would look if Quebec and Alberta would look if either of them declared independence. More so with Alberta bcos I know Quebec would rather quickly turn into a debt-ridden 2nd tier country. But with Alberta, I really wonder how well (or how poorly) they'd fare.

On one hand, I'd expect them to go hard on the "drill baby, drill" mantra. But on the other hand, when you're land-locked on all sides, how would your delivery costs (of petroleum products) not go through the roof?

[sdubfid]

Originally Posted by westopher

Wanting people to be taxed appropriately isn't hating rich people. Like I hate billionaires like musk and bezos and shit because you don't get that rich without malice. I have plenty of respect for the 500k a year equipment sales guy or the plastic surgeon or the plumbing business owner. I still think people that can afford a lambo should be contributing exponentially more than the person who is 3 paycheques away from missing rent for the simple fact that it just doesn't leave them short of luxuries still, never mind the basics.

I don’t think there is a monetary threshold for someone being evil. If bezos owns 8% of Amazon that is worth 2.3 trillion that means he’s created 2 trillion of wealth for other people. 1.5 million are getting paid by Amazon, paying income tax, paying tax on the goods they purchase. Governments are a leaking bucket and instead of plugging the holes they add more water. The solution is not more water.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by sdubfid

I don’t think there is a monetary threshold for someone being evil. If bezos owns 8% of Amazon that is worth 2.3 trillion that means he’s created 2 trillion of wealth for other people. 1.5 million are getting paid by Amazon, paying income tax, paying tax on the goods they purchase. Governments are a leaking bucket and instead of plugging the holes they add more water. The solution is not more water.

Amazon didn't create those sales or jobs out of thin air. It did it by monopolistic practices that took those jobs and sales from smaller businesses.
It's insane to think that this somehow benefited people more than shareholders and bezos. We are talking about a company that's under scrutiny for making workers piss in a fucking bottle, who also would pay probably 2% of the taxes that all those businesses would pay individually if they were operating at those sales across thousands of independent retailers.

[Hondaracer]

We’re so past trying to change peoples habits and shop small/local there’s no point in even wasting your breathe on that anymore, the ship has sailed.

I don’t really blame people, and maybe if we didn’t pump Amazon full of TFW it would be different but yea.. that’s long gone.

I went to a book store today to see if they had a book in stock, fairly common, new, travel book, Amazon has it on for $38 and it’s here tomorrow morning. The local store has it for the same price but it’s somehow going to take 3-4 weeks to arrive..

I walked away from the counter thinking fuck it I’ll just order it from Amazon but ultimately I want the store to survive so I begrudgingly ordered it through them, paying up front, for a book I’m not gonna see for a month.

There’s very little incentive to fight the Amazon model anymore other than getting on your high horse.