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@westopher - really a hopeful and creative solution & story there. Seems like that most sustainable solutions are what we might call micro enterprise. 15-20 people at a time.
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It's a really amazing organization, and of course it's way too small to be the solution, but I think it's really cool to see community based solutions like that.
If we can get a lot of organizations having a small impact it's always gonna be bigger than one large scale operation.
I think the dehumanization of addicts is one of the biggest barriers we face to making meaningful impact.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
There's a homeless commune around Kelowna that works like this. They basically get their own sea can and are in a community of a bunch and the requirement is to contribute like a co-op and it's spoken of so highly by its tenants. Many of them have said how the sense of purpose has helped them get clean and re enter the workforce.
A farm that I get food from (I'm their biggest buyer in terms of restaurants) employs people from the DTES and has lifted many people out of poverty and helped with their addictions and mental health issues by providing a safe and understanding workplace. It's called sole food street farms if anyone is interested, and there's an article about it recently interviewing the farm coordinator and myself about it in montecristo magazine recently.
A lot of people really just need some acceptance from society to be able to integrate back into it. Of course that doesn't work for everyone, but it's a part of the multifaceted approach that's needed.
This isn't provided by the government, it's provided as a private business, which is a good and bad thing, as obviously it should be a governmental responsibility that's being handled by private citizens better than the government does.
That saying.
If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
This is basically that, but applied to real life. Just giving handouts isn't a practical solution. But the problem comes to those that doesn't care to learn.
If he was Chinese or another type of Asian I would have given him a dagger to end himself. Fucking useless prick. Actually if he was Asian, I’m sure he would have offed himself already….Shit or offed his old lady and the kid in a rampage of blood and destruction
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I think we need to start seriously discussing universal basic income.
Absolutely fucking not. Did the CERB debacle during COVID teach you nothing? When people could sit at home on their asses and not work because the government was paying them for breathing which caused huge staffing problems in almost every industry? The moment this is tabled in any country that country is finished. It's currency would be worth nothing, cause hyperinflation, and collapse. There's a reason it's never been done.
Canada was rarely in full lockdown, with the exception of a few weeks most of the time was reduced hours and capacities. Instead of people going back to work they sat at home, were told they "weren't essential", and smaller businesses struggled to find workers to stay open or were barred from being open. The result was them dying off while everyone was still allowed to go shop at Walmart and Costco giving all the marketshare, money, and power to the corporate conglomerates. For MONTHS.
Then people continued to claim EI when the reality is there was a huge need for labour but people were lazy and wanted to continue to abuse the system and sit at home. Criminals registered for it in prison, people signed up their cats and horses and collected the payments. Fraud was absolutely rampant to the tune of hundreds of millions of tax payers dollars (the ones who were working!) and then Trudeau basically forgave them all because it was too complicated to have any accountability.
CERB beyond the first month was a disastrous idea and the effect it had on the economy is a big reason we had inflation skyrocket as much as it did. Some help was necessary, but CERB proved what a total failure UBI would be as a policy.
In 2035 when more than half the jobs people are doing now are automated, what then? Do all the people who control the automation just keep all the money? What good would that do them?
Canada was rarely in full lockdown, with the exception of a few weeks most of the time was reduced hours and capacities. Instead of people going back to work they sat at home, were told they "weren't essential", and smaller businesses struggled to find workers to stay open or were barred from being open. The result was them dying off while everyone was still allowed to go shop at Walmart and Costco giving all the marketshare, money, and power to the corporate conglomerates. For MONTHS.
Then people continued to claim EI when the reality is there was a huge need for labour but people were lazy and wanted to continue to abuse the system and sit at home. Criminals registered for it in prison, people signed up their cats and horses and collected the payments. Fraud was absolutely rampant to the tune of hundreds of millions of tax payers dollars (the ones who were working!) and then Trudeau basically forgave them all because it was too complicated to have any accountability.
CERB beyond the first month was a disastrous idea and the effect it had on the economy is a big reason we had inflation skyrocket as much as it did. Some help was necessary, but CERB proved what a total failure UBI would be as a policy.
While CERB did contribute to some inflationary pressures, the bigger issue in my opinion was low interest rates and the surge in borrowing and spending. I agree fraud was a real issue, with many improperly claiming benefits, but that wasn't the core issue.
I still think a well managed basic income would address people’s needs without the same level of chaos or fraud, ensuring more accountability and stability.
The implementation of UBI would be completely different from CERB because they could actually take the time to plan for it and have a more controlled implementation, not just have to roll out something quickly because a global pandemic is forcing your hand.
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They literally could not even figure out how to give out TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS
I guarantee you, in the next 30 years, even if another country does it and there’s an example to follow, there will never be a govt. in Canada competent enough in themselves to even try it.
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I'm the last person to support UBI because it would mean I'd have to pay more taxes, but I'm not heartless and the reality is that many middle class Canadians are inching closer to homelessness. As a society, we can't keep kicking the can down the road and pretending we don't have a serious problem in this country.
Things are only going to get worse, and UBI is just one piece of a much larger puzzle needed to tackle poverty, which will be driven by lack of well paying jobs and the rising cost of living.
I'm the last person to support UBI because it would mean I'd have to pay more taxes, but I'm not heartless and the reality is that many middle class Canadians are inching closer to homelessness. As a society, we can't keep kicking the can down the road and pretending we don't have a serious problem in this country.
Things are only going to get worse, and UBI is just one piece of a much larger puzzle needed to tackle poverty, which will be driven by lack of well paying jobs and the rising cost of living.
Ideally it would be set up so only the people/corporations controlling automation would be paying the taxes, not regular old rich cunts doing lawyering or doctoring or whatever
AI based, automation based industries should have what seems on its surface to be a ridiculously high tax rate, because a lot of people are going to be out of work and all that money they make will be worth nothing if nobody has these jobs anymore.
This is all absolutely amazing technology, but it is not aligned with the structure of current society.
It sounds stupid and sci-fi, but it is the first baby step towards a money free society. The old/ignorant rich people will fight it of course, but that happens with every step away from our monkey roots.
This company is based out of Vancouver. There are a number of companies like this many ahead of musk. When fully functioning these robots will replace a lot of jobs. That's when you will need UBI.
There was supposed to be a 3 year trial to see if/how UBI would work in Ontario. The PC's shut it down early, so the results were skewed.
Despite lasting little over a year, researchers at McMaster University were able to find notable improvements in a variety of health outcomes in the majority of 200 respondents to a survey.
The study found that “many recipients reported improvements in their physical and mental health, labour market participation, food security, housing stability, financial status and social relationships.”
They also found recipients used health services less frequently.
Overall, 79 per cent of respondents said they felt a partial or substantive improvement in their health. And when it came to work, the survey found that “the majority of those employed before the pilot reported working while they were receiving basic income. Many reported moving to higher-paying and more secure jobs.”
Also, former participants are now in a class action lawsuit against the government over how it was shut down.
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