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Maxime Bernier's People's Party says it won't take action against one of its candidates in Nova Scotia who called Islam "pure evil" and "not compatible with democracy" in numerous social media posts.
Sybil Hogg, the PPC candidate for Sackville-Preston-Chezzetcook, made a series of posts on Twitter and Facebook with anti-Islam statements within the last year.
The posts include a response in March to a 2017 tweet from former Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould, sent after the minister visited a mosque just days after the deadly Quebec City mosque attack. Hogg's response: "Islam is pure evil. Islam has no place in Canadian society."
Johanne Mennie, executive director of PPC, told CBC News the party reached out to Hogg to "understand the context within which she expressed herself" and the candidate replied that she "failed to draw the distinction between 'Islam' the religion and 'Islamism' or 'radical Islam.'"
According to the party, Hogg said her concern "is and always has been radical Islam rather than Islam" and that she believed it was time for a "conversation about Islamism and Islamic entryism" in Canada.
When asked Wednesday night to clarify whether that response satisfied the party, the PPC confirmed it wouldn't be taking any action against her.
As of Thursday morning, none of Hogg's social media posts had been removed.
Asked by CBC News about Hogg's comments and the party's decision, the National Council of Canadian Muslims said in a statement that it felt "little need to comment on another ridiculous and ignorant position from a PPC candidate."
"We refuse to engage with a party that has made hate and division a central element of its platform — but more importantly, that 98 to 99 per cent of Canadians are rejecting as per the most recent polling," the statement said.
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"This election has clearly shown thus far, as has the last election, that hate is a failed organizing principle in Canadian politics."
It's not clear whether Hogg will appear with People's Party Leader Maxime Bernier at a campaign event scheduled for Friday in Halifax.
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Huh. Sounds like she had at least somewhat of a reasonable explanation.
I really hate to sling mud, but I couldn't help notice you never commented on the racism that is apparently baked right into
This liberal governments policy team.
Don't worry, I won't wait up for the selective outrage to come pouring through your keyboard
According to Aziz, such racial insensitivity is quite usual in the upper ranks of the Trudeau government, and says he became used to such behaviour while working on Parliament Hill with Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland’s policy team, reports CBC.
“Sometimes a slip of the tongue is not just a slip of the tongue. It’s a slip of the mask,” he said in an interview with CBC Radio.
“I basically had to leave my dream job because of racist prejudices that went unacknowledged"
Former Liberal adviser rips party over racial insensitivity in government ranks | CBC News
A former senior adviser in the Liberal government said Friday he wasn't surprised by photos of Justin Trudeau in blackface makeup because he encountered racially insensitive behaviour while working...
Aziz went on to say that the Liberal government views certain minority groups as “ethnic vote banks” and that most of his colleagues were subtly racist.
According to Aziz, part of his job, which Aziz only held for 7 months before leaving due to such comments, was to handle “brown files” in the department, which are how the government colloquially refers to non-white-majority countries. He also says his colleagues assumed that he “wasn’t aware of certain cultural nuances because of his skin colour,” reports CBC.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
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Huh. Sounds like she had at least somewhat of a reasonable explanation.
I really hate to sling mud, but I couldn't help notice you never commented on the racism that is apparently baked right into
This liberal governments policy team.
Don't worry, I won't wait up for the selective outrage to come pouring through your keyboard
The post millennial LOL!!! But ok I will take that article at face value. Do you take the word of multiple former members of the PPC who have said the party is racist? These are people who were high up in the party.
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Yes that's a mackay 2020 sign. Already talks about him replacing scheer.
LOL~ I'm just gonna say that MacKay is a far more sensible and respectable person / politician than Scheer can ever hope to be, and he has the credentials (ie. former federal gov positions and experience) to back it up as well.
Perhaps this is the Liberals' last ditch secret weapon to get more votes? So that people like me -- who hates Trudeau, but can't bear to bring myself to vote for Scheer to go back and vote for Trudeau one last time so that the Conservatives can get rid of Scheer?
LOL~ I'm just gonna say that MacKay is a far more sensible and respectable person / politician than Scheer can ever hope to be, and he has the credentials (ie. former federal gov positions and experience) to back it up as well.
Perhaps this is the Liberals' last ditch secret weapon to get more votes? So that people like me -- who hates Trudeau, but can't bear to bring myself to vote for Scheer to go back and vote for Trudeau one last time so that the Conservatives can get rid of Scheer?
The story was originally in the globe and mail. The person with the sign was standing with the liberals for a bit so he could be a liberal supporter.
The post millennial LOL!!! But ok I will take that article at face value. Do you take the word of multiple former members of the PPC who have said the party is racist? These are people who were high up in the party.
Former Liberal adviser rips party over racial insensitivity in government ranks
'How did everyone miss this for 18 years?' asks Omer Aziz, former foreign policy adviser
Elise von Scheel - CBC News
Posted: September 21, 2019
Trudeau apology
Trudeau apologized Thursday after images and a video of him in blackface makeup became public.
A former adviser in the Liberal government said he wasn't surprised by photos of Justin Trudeau in blackface makeup because he encountered racially insensitive behaviour while working in the upper ranks of his government.
Omer Aziz said the photos of Trudeau are of a piece with behaviour he saw while working on Parliament Hill with Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland's policy team. According to his Linked In profile, Aziz held the job for seven months. He quit in 2018.
"Sometimes a slip of the tongue is not just a slip of the tongue. It's a slip of the mask," he said in an interview with CBC Radio's The House airing today.
"I basically had to leave my dream job because of racist prejudices that went unacknowledged."
Aziz said that while he worked in the department, he heard staffers referring to certain communities as "ethnic vote banks." He said he was assigned to "brown files" in the department — files dealing with non-white-majority countries — and said he was subjected to "whitesplaining" by colleagues who assumed he wasn't aware of certain cultural nuances because of his skin colour.
Trudeau apologizes again, says he can't remember exact number of blackface incidents
ANALYSIS Trudeau has reckoned with the past before, but now it is his own history he must address
Trudeau has been forced to answer uncomfortable questions all week after three instances of him wearing brownface or blackface as part of various costumes surfaced in the media.
The images span about a decade and a variety of situations, and show Trudeau in blackface both as a teenager and as an adult.
"What I did was inexcusable and wrong and hurt a lot of people who considered me to be an ally and that was wrong. And I am deeply, deeply sorry," Trudeau told a crowd in Saskatchewan Thursday.
Trudeau has now publicly apologized twice — but he also has repeatedly declined to state how many times he may have worn blackface. He said he was "wary of being definitive about this because of the recent pictures that came out, I had not remembered."
Aziz said almost all of his colleagues in the federal government were white and seemed unaware of subtle racist behaviour in the workplace.
"People in power above me were blind to what I was seeing," he said.
"I felt like (...) I was a character from the movie Get Out, where my reality was kind of warped and distorted. Obviously people are never racist to your face."
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau apologizes while answering reporters' questions in Winnipeg about the emergence of images of him in blackface in Thursday. 21:50
CBC News's requests for comment from the Prime Minister's Office and Freeland's office were forwarded to the Liberal Party.
"When hiring exempt staff across government, the aim is always to identify high-quality candidates that reflect the diversity of Canada and to build more inclusive work environments," the party statement reads.
Aziz said he tried to share his concerns with Gerry Butts, then the principal secretary to the prime minister, but was ultimately unable to meet with him.
The India trip
Aziz said his decision to leave the Liberal government permitted him to dodge a bullet: he believes he would have been involved in organizing Trudeau's early 2018 trip to India.
The trip turned into a colossal PR disaster for the prime minister after news emerged that a Sikh extremist had been invited to a reception at the Canadian High Commissioner's residence — and after he was roundly mocked for appearing in traditional Indian dress.
"The India trip was brownface without the makeup," Aziz said.
As for the blackface images, Aziz wondered aloud how everyone managed "to miss this for 18 years."
Green Party candidate Greg Malone speaks out about own past using brownface
Reaction to Trudeau's blackface runs from 'This can't be real' to 'I didn't really care'
Aziz said voters can still count on the Liberals to be progressive in areas like climate change and the economy — but they shouldn't assume Trudeau "at every instance has been on the side of minorities and the powerless."
"Don't have any illusions and still pretend that this is a saviour ... It's not true," he said.
Trudeau also responded to questions about how voters should analyze his actions.
"I certainly hope that they will continue to support us in the work that we're doing, but they might not," he said at a media event in Winnipeg Thursday. "And I know that is something that all Canadians get to decide and they get to bring in all sorts of different factors, because every Canadian has a different way of looking at what matters to them."
If the Liberals form government again, Aziz said he wants to see changes made at the top.
"One thing I'm going to be looking forward to is if they are re-elected, do they diversify at the top, because I'm kind of tired of hearing about people talking about diversity when everyone around them looks the same."
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The story was originally in the globe and mail. The person with the sign was standing with the liberals for a bit so he could be a liberal supporter.
I don't believe I have stated or yet decided who I am voting for, nor am I aware if welfare has done so. Bernier does seem to have a talent in pulling some decent wool.
Interesting that the progressive left would opt to "slut shame" a woman for her personal choices.
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I don't think that implying that 2 males are voting for a party due to an attractive woman being a member is "slut shaming."
Great try on that spin though.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I don't think that implying that 2 males are voting for a party due to an attractive woman being a member is "slut shaming."
Great try on that spin though.
I interpreted Manic's post as further criticism of the PPC for selecting a candidate with an uncommon past. If he meant it as locker room grab-her-the-pussy friendly banter, then I withdraw my remark.
Former Liberal adviser rips party over racial insensitivity in government ranks
'How did everyone miss this for 18 years?' asks Omer Aziz, former foreign policy adviser
Elise von Scheel - CBC News
Posted: September 21, 2019
Trudeau apology
Trudeau apologized Thursday after images and a video of him in blackface makeup became public.
A former adviser in the Liberal government said he wasn't surprised by photos of Justin Trudeau in blackface makeup because he encountered racially insensitive behaviour while working in the upper ranks of his government.
Omer Aziz said the photos of Trudeau are of a piece with behaviour he saw while working on Parliament Hill with Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland's policy team. According to his Linked In profile, Aziz held the job for seven months. He quit in 2018.
"Sometimes a slip of the tongue is not just a slip of the tongue. It's a slip of the mask," he said in an interview with CBC Radio's The House airing today.
"I basically had to leave my dream job because of racist prejudices that went unacknowledged."
Aziz said that while he worked in the department, he heard staffers referring to certain communities as "ethnic vote banks." He said he was assigned to "brown files" in the department — files dealing with non-white-majority countries — and said he was subjected to "whitesplaining" by colleagues who assumed he wasn't aware of certain cultural nuances because of his skin colour.
Trudeau apologizes again, says he can't remember exact number of blackface incidents
ANALYSIS Trudeau has reckoned with the past before, but now it is his own history he must address
Trudeau has been forced to answer uncomfortable questions all week after three instances of him wearing brownface or blackface as part of various costumes surfaced in the media.
The images span about a decade and a variety of situations, and show Trudeau in blackface both as a teenager and as an adult.
"What I did was inexcusable and wrong and hurt a lot of people who considered me to be an ally and that was wrong. And I am deeply, deeply sorry," Trudeau told a crowd in Saskatchewan Thursday.
Trudeau has now publicly apologized twice — but he also has repeatedly declined to state how many times he may have worn blackface. He said he was "wary of being definitive about this because of the recent pictures that came out, I had not remembered."
Aziz said almost all of his colleagues in the federal government were white and seemed unaware of subtle racist behaviour in the workplace.
"People in power above me were blind to what I was seeing," he said.
"I felt like (...) I was a character from the movie Get Out, where my reality was kind of warped and distorted. Obviously people are never racist to your face."
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau apologizes while answering reporters' questions in Winnipeg about the emergence of images of him in blackface in Thursday. 21:50
CBC News's requests for comment from the Prime Minister's Office and Freeland's office were forwarded to the Liberal Party.
"When hiring exempt staff across government, the aim is always to identify high-quality candidates that reflect the diversity of Canada and to build more inclusive work environments," the party statement reads.
Aziz said he tried to share his concerns with Gerry Butts, then the principal secretary to the prime minister, but was ultimately unable to meet with him.
The India trip
Aziz said his decision to leave the Liberal government permitted him to dodge a bullet: he believes he would have been involved in organizing Trudeau's early 2018 trip to India.
The trip turned into a colossal PR disaster for the prime minister after news emerged that a Sikh extremist had been invited to a reception at the Canadian High Commissioner's residence — and after he was roundly mocked for appearing in traditional Indian dress.
"The India trip was brownface without the makeup," Aziz said.
As for the blackface images, Aziz wondered aloud how everyone managed "to miss this for 18 years."
Green Party candidate Greg Malone speaks out about own past using brownface
Reaction to Trudeau's blackface runs from 'This can't be real' to 'I didn't really care'
Aziz said voters can still count on the Liberals to be progressive in areas like climate change and the economy — but they shouldn't assume Trudeau "at every instance has been on the side of minorities and the powerless."
"Don't have any illusions and still pretend that this is a saviour ... It's not true," he said.
Trudeau also responded to questions about how voters should analyze his actions.
"I certainly hope that they will continue to support us in the work that we're doing, but they might not," he said at a media event in Winnipeg Thursday. "And I know that is something that all Canadians get to decide and they get to bring in all sorts of different factors, because every Canadian has a different way of looking at what matters to them."
If the Liberals form government again, Aziz said he wants to see changes made at the top.
"One thing I'm going to be looking forward to is if they are re-elected, do they diversify at the top, because I'm kind of tired of hearing about people talking about diversity when everyone around them looks the same."
I don't believe I have stated or yet decided who I am voting for, nor am I aware if welfare has done so. Bernier does seem to have a talent in pulling some decent wool.
Interesting that the progressive left would opt to "slut shame" a woman for her personal choices.
Slut shaming a women? It was meant to be a joke. I'm not the one claiming we are living in jezebellean times like the ppc candidate in Alberta. Is Jahrah/mad max going to smite her? What I find bizarre is she is a immigrant/refugee who is running for a party that wants to reduce the number of immigrants/refugees.
Just like every other religion people have different takes on the religion. All Muslims do have the same option when it comes to women.
Fun fact women who visit the pope are forced to cover up.
I laughed at the post millennial because it's a joke. Like I said I take the store at face value. Why don't you believe the multiple PPC members who have come out and said the party is racist?
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Why don't you believe the multiple PPC members who have come out and said the party is racist?
Funny, of the candidates who left the ppc, they site no specific examples really. Only "racist and divisive atmosphere".
Maybe a few tweets here and there that have since been apologized for.
Did Christia Freeland ever apologize? I don't think she even acknowledged it. Speaks volumes
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Wow. Just finishing off these French debates. Amazing how much better these debates go when you have a decent format, and a single moderator who actually does their job.
Breaking it up into threes worked much better. They actually had time to discuss their positions on policies instead of barking one liner zingers at each other.
The English "debates" were a complete farce.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
And of course they all pledge to balance the budget with a five year plan in a four year term. Except Trudeau of course. He has no plan of doing that at all.
Bernier was the only one pledging to do it in two.
Spend spend spend. More promises. More government.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Funny, of the candidates who left the ppc, they site no specific examples really. Only "racist and divisive atmosphere".
Maybe a few tweets here and there that have since been apologized for.
Did Christia Freeland ever apologize? I don't think she even acknowledged it. Speaks volumes
You posted at story of a person who left the liberal party.
That's your buddy with members of the northern guard an all male hate group. They are buddies with the Storm Alliance and the soldiers of odin.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Yes brown people love Trudeau. why do all the right-wing hate groups love max? He also seems to go out of his way to hang out with them.
Wow. This proves once and for all this guy is either trolling or mentally ill. People with strong and/or stupid opinions on race will never be equal to someone convicted of attempted murder of a foreign government official as a member of a terrorism group banned by Canada, the US, UK, and India. Adding to the complete disgrace of this man being a guest of the Prime Idiot on his trip to India is that Trudeau has known him long enough to know who he is and what he represents - and invited him anyway. Trudeau is completely inept.
I strongly advise anyone reading or following this thread to disregard anything Manic posts as factual and again suggest he should be banned from the discussion.
Wow. This proves once and for all this guy is either trolling or mentally ill. People with strong and/or stupid opinions on race will never be equal to someone convicted of attempted murder of a foreign government official as a member of a terrorism group banned by Canada, the US, UK, and India. Adding to the complete disgrace of this man being a guest of the Prime Idiot on his trip to India is that Trudeau has known him long enough to know who he is and what he represents - and invited him anyway. Trudeau is completely inept.
I strongly advise anyone reading or following this thread to disregard anything Manic posts as factual and again suggest he should be banned from the discussion.
How does a guy convicted of attempted murder of an Indian politician get a visa for India?
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