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underscore 03-23-2025 08:37 PM

Whether PP is pro-Trump or not, people should be noticing that Trump is pro-PP and thinking about what it is about PP that Trump find appealing.

VRYALT3R3D 03-23-2025 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9170282)
Whether PP is pro-Trump or not, people should be noticing that Trump is pro-PP and thinking about what it is about PP that Trump find appealing.

This doesn't sound like Trump is pro-PP at all...

https://globalnews.ca/news/11055372/...tariff-threat/

westopher 03-23-2025 08:47 PM

He was for years until PP was meanie to him when the tariffs started.
PP has always ran on the culture wars shit like trump does and identity politics. When I actually read up on PP recently he was pretty explicit that he didn't want to actually go that far on some of it, but unfortunately for him that's the angle he's taken in public, and people are seeing how shitty that's going down south.
Whether you want to admit it or not, that's the public perception.

unit 03-23-2025 08:49 PM

here in canada we have plenty of pro trump people, especially before the tariff threats. lots of canada first, anti social-issue people. those people are obviously right leaning and mostly support PP or MB. PP is treading very carefully not to piss those people off by being too anti trump, that is a big part of why he was so quiet during the initial tariff threats. it's not that he necessarily likes trump, but he likes his voters who like trump.

pastarocket 03-23-2025 08:50 PM

Robertson, aka Bike Boy, is running as a Liberal in the upcoming federal election. :lawl:


https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/0...ral-candidate/

Former Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson will be running in the upcoming federal election.

Robertson, who served as mayor between 2008 and 2018, announced Sunday he will be running as the Liberal candidate in the Vancouver Fraserview-South Burnaby riding.


The seat is currently held by Liberal MP Harjit Sanjin, who announced back in January he would not be seeking re-election.


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Traum 03-23-2025 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D (Post 9170267)
I live in Toronto. Yes, the media here thought Doug Ford was going to lose LOL. The NDP got brutally crushed and the stupid twat couldn't even win her own seat.

1) You need to follow more mainstream media, and less far right / echo chamber stuff. CTV, CBC, CityNews, etc. They all reported on how polling suggested Ford was gonna cruise to another majority victory.

2) Personally, I don't understand why Ontario voters would still want Doug Ford after tremendous amount of scandals that he was involved in over the past few years. The Greenbelt alone should have sunk him, even when he back-tracked on it. But just bcos I don't understand what Ontario voters are thinking doesn't mean I'd allow myself to become detached from reality. The poll numbers very clearly pointed to another Ford-Conservative majority, and that's what happened.

3) They did portray the Liberals would be far more successful than they ended up being, but I can see why they went with direction -- the popular vote was hugely in favour of the Liberals than the NDP, but they wasted a ton of their votes in races that they lost.

4) I'll chalk this NDP-Liberals mix up to sticky fingers / brain fart or something -- it happens to the best of us. But the parallel universe confusion is inexcusable.

westopher 03-23-2025 08:57 PM

Some of the local pieces of shit moving into federal politics.
Gregor Robertson for the libs
Krusty Clark for the libs
Adam Palmer rumoured for the cons.
Robertson is more annoying than he is awful. The other two are verifiable fucking trash.

Manic! 03-23-2025 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D (Post 9170278)
So, you have no first hand information. Only conjecture?

She is literally wearing a maga hat.

https://www.politico.com/dims4/defau...2077440489.JPG

Traum 03-23-2025 09:45 PM

Moonbeam is gonna be running in my riding, and the mere thought of me having to vote for him is making me feel disgusting already. :banghead:

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Originally Posted by Westopher (Post 9170267)
Robertson is more annoying than he is awful. The other two are verifiable fucking trash.

There are many annoyances that Moonbeam brought, from bike lanes to undemocratically just going through the motions in municipal consultations despite the public opposition. But his most damning fault is probably his close ties to developers, and how he just sold out a lot of development "opportunities" / favours to help developers get rich.

I wonder how a track record like that would carry over to federal politics, but I can't see how a willingness to cater to wealthy businessmen and corporations would be a good thing at any level of gov.

68style 03-23-2025 09:52 PM

Cons can't even update their fuckin website, how are they going to run a country?

Last time I checked someone literally wearing a MAGA hat isn't conjecture?

Jason00S2000 03-23-2025 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9170291)
Moonbeam is gonna be running in my riding, and the mere thought of me having to vote for him is making me feel disgusting already. :banghead:

Do you remember when Moonbeam said he'd end homelessness back in 2008... :badpokerface:

Traum 03-23-2025 11:11 PM

I don't actually remember him saying he would end homelessness by a certain date/time, but stuff of that nature is not at a level where a municipal gov can cure. At a minimum, it would need provincial level effort to make a dent on the issue. But more realistically speaking, it'd require commitment and coordination from all 3 levels of gov to effectively reduce it.

And even then, it could never be fixed. Our different levels of gov as well as our citizens lack the resources, resolve, and desire to solve it once and for all. Even if you were to ask me now, I'd be opposed to gov proposals that can actually eliminate homelessness because that kind of plan would be far too socialist and welfare state for me.

supafamous 03-24-2025 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9170291)
Moonbeam is gonna be running in my riding, and the mere thought of me having to vote for him is making me feel disgusting already. :banghead:

There are many annoyances that Moonbeam brought, from bike lanes to undemocratically just going through the motions in municipal consultations despite the public opposition. But his most damning fault is probably his close ties to developers, and how he just sold out a lot of development "opportunities" / favours to help developers get rich.

I wonder how a track record like that would carry over to federal politics, but I can't see how a willingness to cater to wealthy businessmen and corporations would be a good thing at any level of gov.

I was living in Victoria for most of Robertson's reign but I generally have had a positive view of his work. I thought him much more effective than Kennedy Stewart (though Stewart had a shitty council to deal with) and that he seemed to try to carry on some of the positive things that Sam Sullivan was trying to do (I liked Sam a lot but he wasn't particularly effective).

re: developers - when I browse through his Wikipedia I see no mention of this as a thing. Do you have more specifics on what you saw as selling out? I always feel relationships with developers are automatically given a bad rap in Vancouver (like they're one causing housing prices to rise).

whitev70r 03-24-2025 06:35 AM

re getting in bed with developers as municipal politician (not just mayors, councellors as well) ... you mean to tell me there are some who did not?

Jason00S2000 03-24-2025 07:38 AM

The Palestine protests in Ontario are fucking ridiculous.

Someone explain to me why, in this country, we allow people wearing tablecloths on their faces, conducting weekly protests for what, over half a year now, praying in the middle of the street, praying outside of the courthouse, assaulting people and trying to intimidate Canadians, are somehow coddled by our police forces?

The government is 100% in support of them for some reason. If it were Christians or Convoy people, or, God forbid, pro-gun folk, you're goddamn right the riot squad would be beating the fuck out of them and the Reddit community would be blasting them online every day, doxxing them, and doing everything they can to make their lives miserable.

Why do the Palestine protests seem to not only get a pass, but seemingly, support from government, police, no mention of them at all on Reddit, and the only place you can see how badly they behave is through a couple of Twitter accounts?

Very fucking strange. Canada is truly the world's toilet paper.


Jason00S2000 03-24-2025 08:32 AM

https://i.ibb.co/HTfdbWjS/hahaha.png

:lol :lol :lol

VRYALT3R3D 03-24-2025 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9170287)
1) You need to follow more mainstream media, and less far right / echo chamber stuff. CTV, CBC, CityNews, etc. They all reported on how polling suggested Ford was gonna cruise to another majority victory.

2) Personally, I don't understand why Ontario voters would still want Doug Ford after tremendous amount of scandals that he was involved in over the past few years. The Greenbelt alone should have sunk him, even when he back-tracked on it. But just bcos I don't understand what Ontario voters are thinking doesn't mean I'd allow myself to become detached from reality. The poll numbers very clearly pointed to another Ford-Conservative majority, and that's what happened.

3) They did portray the Liberals would be far more successful than they ended up being, but I can see why they went with direction -- the popular vote was hugely in favour of the Liberals than the NDP, but they wasted a ton of their votes in races that they lost.

4) I'll chalk this NDP-Liberals mix up to sticky fingers / brain fart or something -- it happens to the best of us. But the parallel universe confusion is inexcusable.

Why do you assume I watch "far right / echo chamber stuff." I don't. I consider myself to be centre-right.

The media always twists things. We need more housing but we can't build on the greenbelt lmfao. So what do they do? They build more housing on the most expensive land in Ontario and always the wrong type of housing(more shotty-built condos). Then the liberal party was crying about how Doug Ford shut down the Science Centre and sold it off to his "rich developer friends," but the land is owned by the City of Toronto and the building that was there was a decaying piece of crap with a dangerous roof.

The #1 focus on this election is the economy. The liberals have a terrible track record so far. Over the past 5 years, we have witnessed massive asset bubbles propped up by a government that artificially kept interest rates low. Now things are starting to unravel rapidly.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/...60_608x626.png

Canada, as a whole, is now slightly worse off than Alabama. The USA's 4th poorest state. In 2023, Canada's population increased by 1.3 million, most of it purely from immigration. The real GDP in Canada has declined 6 quarters in a row, while the unemployment rate increased 1% and above the natural unemployment rate. What the liberals have been doing was masking a recession by having huge population growth. Carney is for massive immigration. He is part of the problem Canada's economy is absolute shit.

Hondaracer 03-24-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000 (Post 9170311)
The Palestine protests in Ontario are fucking ridiculous.

Someone explain to me why, in this country, we allow people wearing tablecloths on their faces, conducting weekly protests for what, over half a year now, praying in the middle of the street, praying outside of the courthouse, assaulting people and trying to intimidate Canadians, are somehow coddled by our police forces?

The government is 100% in support of them for some reason. If it were Christians or Convoy people, or, God forbid, pro-gun folk, you're goddamn right the riot squad would be beating the fuck out of them and the Reddit community would be blasting them online every day, doxxing them, and doing everything they can to make their lives miserable.

Why do the Palestine protests seem to not only get a pass, but seemingly, support from government, police, no mention of them at all on Reddit, and the only place you can see how badly they behave is through a couple of Twitter accounts?

Very fucking strange. Canada is truly the world's toilet paper.

https://x.com/CarymaRules/status/1904035190726439393

Allowing “religious freedom” and violent protests softens the blow of a govt. backed genocide.

VRYALT3R3D 03-24-2025 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9170289)
She is literally wearing a maga hat.

https://www.politico.com/dims4/defau...2077440489.JPG

Who cares about her? Is she running for Prime Minister?

Poilievre has made his position clear as early as January:

“He’s made it clear he wants to put America first, I’m making it clear I want to put Canada first and that means we have to develop our own infrastructure to export our energy and resources to the rest of the world without going through the U.S., we have to allow more interprovincial free trade in our own,” he said.

“I would say to President Trump, I will retaliate with trade tariffs against American goods that are necessary to discourage America attacking our industries. I’d rather we work together, though, because if we do, we can have a bigger, stronger economy.”

“Frankly, if he cuts off his refineries and LNG plants from our resources then there’s going to be lots of unionized American workers who are going to be out of a job, many of them voted of President Trump. So I’m going to say to him, ‘Look, you’re better off, and your workers are going to be way better off by deepening our trade relationship, not attacking your best friend in the whole world.”

https://cheknews.ca/i-will-retaliate...izens-1233659/

supafamous 03-24-2025 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D (Post 9170318)
Canada, as a whole, is now slightly worse off than Alabama. The USA's 4th poorest state. In 2023, Canada's population increased by 1.3 million, most of it purely from immigration. The real GDP in Canada has declined 6 quarters in a row, while the unemployment rate increased 1% and above the natural unemployment rate. What the liberals have been doing was masking a recession by having huge population growth. Carney is for massive immigration. He is part of the problem Canada's economy is absolute shit.

While technically true this isn't accurate depiction of how things are going unless your only measure of a society's success is per capita GDP. By no others means is living in Canada equivalent to living in Alabama. For example, Alabama's life expectancy is 75y versus 82y in Canada.

This is one of those comparisons that politicians, especially Conservatives, like to throw out that's inaccurate/misleading while there's plenty of ammunition otherwise to use to describe how things are going.

VRYALT3R3D 03-24-2025 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by supafamous (Post 9170325)
While technically true this isn't accurate depiction of how things are going unless your only measure of a society's success is per capita GDP. By no others means is living in Canada equivalent to living in Alabama. For example, Alabama's life expectancy is 75y versus 82y in Canada.

This is one of those comparisons that politicians, especially Conservatives, like to throw out that's inaccurate/misleading while there's plenty of ammunition otherwise to use to describe how things are going.

Perhaps you should read with more precision. GDP is the best indicator of economic output. I have been talking about the economy.

CivicBlues 03-24-2025 09:35 AM

GDP per capita is such a shit metric. If a group of 100 citizens all made 50k but in another group of 100 one guy made $5M and everyone else made 10k, the 2nd group is going to be a better place to live? Yeah no.

Traum 03-24-2025 09:40 AM

"Selling out" might come across as a bit strong for certain people, but there have certainly been accusations of Moonbeam being too closely tied to developers, with Vision Vancouver having received political donations from big developers.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3631915/m...to-developers/

Robertson has some progressive intentions in him, and I am not saying he is all bad. In my error-prone memory of past mayors, he seems to be the one that have started the trend of having close ties to developers. Setting a precedence of this sort is probably detrimental to a political figure's reputation.
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Originally Posted by supafamous (Post 9170302)
I was living in Victoria for most of Robertson's reign but I generally have had a positive view of his work. I thought him much more effective than Kennedy Stewart (though Stewart had a shitty council to deal with) and that he seemed to try to carry on some of the positive things that Sam Sullivan was trying to do (I liked Sam a lot but he wasn't particularly effective).

re: developers - when I browse through his Wikipedia I see no mention of this as a thing. Do you have more specifics on what you saw as selling out? I always feel relationships with developers are automatically given a bad rap in Vancouver (like they're one causing housing prices to rise).

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Originally Posted by whitev70r (Post 9170303)
re getting in bed with developers as municipal politician (not just mayors, councellors as well) ... you mean to tell me there are some who did not?

I don't pay enough attention to municipal politics to know the scene well, and I have always wondered whether it is a requirement for municipal politicians to have close ties with developers, or whether it is a function of them being municipal politicians that they form these close relationships with developers. Kind of a chicken and egg problem, so to speak.

westopher 03-24-2025 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CivicBlues (Post 9170329)
GDP per capita is such a shit metric. If a group of 100 citizens all made 50k but in another group of 100 one guy made $5M and everyone else made 10k, the 2nd group is going to be a better place to live? Yeah no.

In Canada, the top 20% have 67% of the wealth.
In the US it's the top 10%
But I'm sure Billy bob in Alabama is having a way better life than rob from Calgary lol.

VRYALT3R3D 03-24-2025 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9170331)
In Canada, the top 20% have 67% of the wealth.

That is a static view of wealth and income distribution. We don't live in a caste society where those at the bottom stay at the bottom. What matters more is if Canadians have better upward mobility or not and if households are better off or worse off over time. Your comment that the 20% have 67% of the wealth in Canada is misleading because the sample never stays the same from year-to-year. How many people moved up or down? etc etc


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