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I’m not going to go to that party tonight.
*wife tells me that it’s actually going to be really fun
Ok I’ll go.
Is that a lie? Or is that changing your mind?
It may not be considered as bad as lying. But flip flopping exudes a lack of principal.
It's one of the reasons many who voted liberal won't be doing it this time. Well, that and the lies of course.
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In certain instances I believe going back on what your original plans are is the best thing you can do. It really just depends on how good the original plans were. Jagmeet made a decision, realized it was not what is best for his party, or potentially the people of Canada, and decided that it was originally the wrong choice. Of course this doesn't excuse actual lying, where someone promises something that will benefit others then without any explanation simply doesn't deliver on it. (proportional fucking representation for example.)
The issue I take with many of the cons platforms, and especially long term con voters are there refusal to change their beliefs and decisions no matter what information is put in front of them. It doesn't matter if clear and concise facts explain to them the reason they are wrong, they just find a group of people to re affirm the wrong answer and decide its right. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone in that demographic, but it runs deep.
If I would continue to ignore what I've learned in the past 10-15 years and "stuck to my guns" I'd be a lot worse off.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Compromise is important, and healthy, of course, depending on the circumstances.
But I'd rather see 4 years of a government that i oppose than to see the party I'm in favor of waiver on their principles.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
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Alberta generates more GHG than the rest of the non-Ontario provinces and territories combined.
They were making money hand-over-fist for years, but didn’t use the money to diversify their economy, but rather offered tax reductions.
Calgary has the most hours of sunshine and 2nd highest sustained winds (St. John’s the highest), making it the most ideal city in the country for green energy yet there has been reluctance by the province to embrace it.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
With the election coming up tomorrow, I still have no idea who to vote for.
I gathered more information by visiting each party's website and watched their speeches on youtube.
They all said the same thing... Put more money into our pockets, fair taxies from riches and helping out families...
Would you enlighten me with your opinions on the party you are going to vote for.
Alberta generates more GHG than the rest of the non-Ontario provinces and territories combined.
They were making money hand-over-fist for years, but didn’t use the money to diversify their economy, but rather offered tax reductions.
Calgary has the most hours of sunshine and 2nd highest sustained winds (St. John’s the highest), making it the most ideal city in the country for green energy yet there has been reluctance by the province to embrace it.
Please tell me you're not actually this ignorant. Since 1957 Alberta has transferred HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars of it's GDP to 'have not' provinces which has allowed the entire country to prosper and grow. Yes, the average income of residents in Alberta is higher than other provinces which means they contribute the most to GST income for the federal government through their spending. These are FACTS, look them up. Alberta and to a lesser but still very important extent Saskatchewan are the boiler rooms that power Canada. Albertans are very serious about their considerations for separation if they continue to be legislated in to recession by the federal government, and on its own that province is the worlds 7th largest economy. If you want to lose 20% of Canada's annual GDP by cutting off Alberta watch the fuck out. Your quality of life will change very drastically very quickly.
People need to really get their heads out of the sand in regards to GHG. Canada produces I believe 1.8% of the global emissions, China for example is around 25%. The hypocrisy of environmentalists and social justice warriors knows no bounds. They'd rather cripple their own national economy and not send Canadian oil and LNG to China to reduce their dependence on coal (GHG). They'd rather block the Energy East pipeline through Quebec while that provincial government dumps millions of tons of raw sewage in to the St. Lawrence and imports all its oil from Saudi Arabia (by tanker) which is one of the worst human rights regimes on the planet. I don't see protestors going after the Chinese or the Saudi's, guess it's easy to sit behind your computer in a country that allows free speech and internet access to go after the softest targets.
To anyone shitting on Alberta I say try having a basic understanding of our national economics before biting the hand that feeds.
With the election coming up tomorrow, I still have no idea who to vote for.
I gathered more information by visiting each party's website and watched their speeches on youtube.
They all said the same thing... Put more money into our pockets, fair taxies from riches and helping out families...
Would you enlighten me with your opinions on the party you are going to vote for.
I’ll never vote for the Liberals or the Conservatives *unless* they’re already in power and have proven to do a good job (same goes for NDP and Liberals at the provincial level). In this case, I don’t like the job Trudeau has done. I didn’t like Harper before that (especially his anti-democratic policies towards his party members of forcing them to fall in line even if it was not in their constituents’ best interests).
I’ve generally voted NDP in the Federal election until Mulclair, who I didn’t like at all (and liked him even less after the election with his childish bullshit).
I ended up voting Green last election as their platform at least seemed to be well-researched with plenty of sources and forward-thinking policies, even though I didn’t agree with probably about half of them.
I’m not so keen on May this time around since she pulled her candidate in Singh’s riding “as a courtesy” because he’s a Federal leader, which is anti-democratic BS, IMO.
I feel all the major/semi-major parties are not being fiscally-responsible, even the Conservatives (obviously not as irresponsible, at least in the short term, but their policies will bite us in the ass undoubtedly). PPC is the only one pounding the debt-reduction drum in a serious way but their other policies are too extreme, especially on climate change.
So I guess I was kind of in the same boat as you. I ended up voting Green because the NDP’s a lot more vague about how they’re actually going to accomplish their goals, they’re a Vancouver Island-based party, and the local NDP attack ads were classic misrepresentation of facts (which I hate). If the NDP didn’t run a smear campaign, I probably would’ve been down to the wire, coin flip between Green and NDP because I like Singh more than May as a leader.
Please tell me you're not actually this ignorant. Since 1957 Alberta has transferred HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars of it's GDP to 'have not' provinces which has allowed the entire country to prosper and grow. Yes, the average income of residents in Alberta is higher than other provinces which means they contribute the most to GST income for the federal government through their spending. These are FACTS, look them up. Alberta and to a lesser but still very important extent Saskatchewan are the boiler rooms that power Canada. Albertans are very serious about their considerations for separation if they continue to be legislated in to recession by the federal government, and on its own that province is the worlds 7th largest economy. If you want to lose 20% of Canada's annual GDP by cutting off Alberta watch the fuck out. Your quality of life will change very drastically very quickly.
People need to really get their heads out of the sand in regards to GHG. Canada produces I believe 1.8% of the global emissions, China for example is around 25%. The hypocrisy of environmentalists and social justice warriors knows no bounds. They'd rather cripple their own national economy and not send Canadian oil and LNG to China to reduce their dependence on coal (GHG). They'd rather block the Energy East pipeline through Quebec while that provincial government dumps millions of tons of raw sewage in to the St. Lawrence and imports all its oil from Saudi Arabia (by tanker) which is one of the worst human rights regimes on the planet. I don't see protestors going after the Chinese or the Saudi's, guess it's easy to sit behind your computer in a country that allows free speech and internet access to go after the softest targets.
To anyone shitting on Alberta I say try having a basic understanding of our national economics before biting the hand that feeds.
Blah blah blah blah blah
You literally refuted nothing, used the “but but but China” excuse, and call me ignorant.
You literally refuted nothing, used the “but but but China” excuse, and call me ignorant.
Go fuck yourself
If you're this dumb I can't help you. Prove me wrong with facts instead of emotion, or stick to name calling because you have no argument against the reality of economics. Yes, you're ignorant. That you proved perfectly.
What if Libs and Cons win the exact same number of seats?
They will have to find a dancing partner. No one really wants to dance with the cons. If the cons get more seats but don't win a majority the Liberals could still stay in power with a coalition government.
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If you're this dumb I can't help you. Prove me wrong with facts instead of emotion, or stick to name calling because you have no argument against the reality of economics. Yes, you're ignorant. That you proved perfectly.
I didn’t call you any names and you’re the person spending half a page responding to a post and didn’t even address a single point in it. Sounds pretty dumb and ignorant to me.
Prove me wrong with facts instead of blah blah blah.
Fact: Alberta produces more GHG than all the non-Ontario provinces and territories combined.
Fact: Alberta did next to nothing since 1957 to diversify its economy. It’s still as much oil and gas country as much as it was 20 years ago.
Fact: Solar power represents less than 0.1% of Alberta’s electricity generation.
With the election coming up tomorrow, I still have no idea who to vote for.
I gathered more information by visiting each party's website and watched their speeches on youtube.
They all said the same thing... Put more money into our pockets, fair taxies from riches and helping out families...
Would you enlighten me with your opinions on the party you are going to vote for.
As a protest vote, I'd say Green is a pretty viable choice, but it most cases, it'll also mean your vote didn't really matter in determining who will win in your riding.
With the election coming up tomorrow, I still have no idea who to vote for.
I gathered more information by visiting each party's website and watched their speeches on youtube.
They all said the same thing... Put more money into our pockets, fair taxies from riches and helping out families...
Would you enlighten me with your opinions on the party you are going to vote for.
I didn’t call you any names and you’re the person spending half a page responding to a post and didn’t even address a single point in it. Sounds pretty dumb and ignorant to me.
Prove me wrong with facts instead of blah blah blah.
Holy shit You posted about how rich Alberta was but didn't diversify their economy, I explained to you how they diversified the entire countries economy. You think they should build wind farms which generate very minimal power and zero income for provincial or federal GDP, which would take away spending on reducing the investment in the oil and gas which has made it more efficient and less polluting significantly over the years while still generating money for everyone. I also explained how a real difference to GHG could be made by exporting our relatively clean energy to other countries to reduce their dependency on old methods and reduce GHG for the whole planet by a bigger margin.
The fact that you completely missed all that just proves you're passion posting with no understanding of the issue or industries. But please carry on with your 'blah blah blah'
With the election coming up tomorrow, I still have no idea who to vote for.
I gathered more information by visiting each party's website and watched their speeches on youtube.
They all said the same thing... Put more money into our pockets, fair taxies from riches and helping out families...
Would you enlighten me with your opinions on the party you are going to vote for.
Apparently your sentiment constitutes a significant voter base. Apparently.
I'd offer the same advice to you as i would to anyone else in that position.
Just don't vote.
I'd rather see ballots tossed than see them cast with uncertainty.
That's just my humble opinion though
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
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You posted about how rich Alberta was but didn't diversify their economy, I explained to you how they diversified the entire countries economy. You think they should build wind farms which generate very minimal power and zero income for provincial or federal GDP, which would take away spending on reducing the investment in the oil and gas which has made it more efficient and less polluting significantly over the years while still generating money for everyone. I also explained how a real difference to GHG could be made by exporting our relatively clean energy to other countries to reduce their dependency on old methods and reduce GHG for the whole planet by a bigger margin.
