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So serious question.. what did it achieve? Is there tangible data on anything as to the outcomes? Or were oil companies just purchasing carbon “credits” and funding general revenue pools? What actually came of any of the money toward green initiatives? If gas prices don’t fall accordingly, it’s on the govt. to hold the oil companies feet to the fire to figure out why. Not just remove the tax and throw their hands up saying well.. we removed it what are ya gonna do |
honestly i agree with you about that. this isnt the liberals win here, it's the conservatives win to remove the tax 100%. also the money collected going to general revenue even if it is revenue neutral really does nothing to fight climate change at all. many businesses and individuals cant afford to switch to electricity or sometimes its just not viable, so it doesnt really achieve much. i think the idea was there but the execution was really poor. |
Well duh, going green is a luxury for the rich at the expense of the poor |
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So the Libs are basically copying the Con's playbook and stealing their most popular policies Axing the taxes, building the homes. Is there any reason to vote Blue other than wanting a side of Culture War with your meal or sticking it to Turd's old lackeys? I'd like to see a measured rationale regarding policy decisions for why you'd vote Conservative. |
well to be fair, you just listed one good reason. the liberals are basically showing that they are a party that will go backwards on their platform if it means getting elected. trust me i don't think highly of the conservatives either, but not really a fan of the games being played to win the upcoming election. |
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But otherwise I too, would actually like to hear the argument for the Conservatives' policies. I miss the days (the Mulroney days) when you could actually hear real arguments for the policies that weren't based on anger but on facts or well articulated opinions. Today's Cons seem like nothing more than an American Culture War party. |
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- New leader, new direction - Going whichever way the wind blows in order to hold power - Responding to market conditions - Responding to changes in the electorate For example, the Liberals doing the GST tax credit over the holidays was nothing more than pandering to keep power (#2) but killing the carbon tax is a #1 and #4 reason with a bit of #2 mixed in (#2 invariably is always a reason, just not always the primary reason). The carbon tax is too divisive so they'll kill it and replace it with the equivalent in other policies that the electorate finds more palatable - the party isn't backing off climate change (no fundamental policy change) but are changing their approach to it. In the same way that the Conservative wing of the country has moved from Progressive Conservative to somewhat far right since the 80's or how the BC NDP went from hard left to centre-left I think it's ok for that to happen. |
Building 500,000 homes seems totally reasonable for a govt. that’s built zero in the last decade? lol. Why vote conservative? Crime, period lol If everything else is equal, and the liberals with the same faces behind the scenes continue to feign their efforts regarding social issues, we’re just trending to one giant Portland with crime and homelessness overrunning our cities. Locking people up is better than what we have now. Even if it costs more. Went to commercial drive on the weekend, the corner of Venebles and Commercial is a full fledged encampment now. Really great to see families stepping over strung out homeless. |
first of all being homeless isn't a crime, so you shouldnt over-conflate the two. the type of homeless criminals that i think you're referring to who break windows and assault people should absolutely be handed stricter penalties than the system that we have now, but the idea of locking up homeless people to get the problem off of the streets.... surely that's not what you are suggesting? if you lock up the ones who are repeat offenders, that isn't going to change the way the DTES looks. |
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As well, later in the article they are quoting their own internal research as to whether or not aspects of this were actual profitable, not govt. sources.. so again.. If you can’t trust the Fraser institute and their credibility, these feels a lot along the same lines albeit on the other side. |
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However, if mental illness and addiction is running amok over “regular” society, living with the status quo isn’t possible. If we can’t effectively treat people and provide them places to rehabilitate, it’s better they are away from society than what we have currently. |
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happy april fools to us! :okay: |
Lol Hondaracer: "If I don't like the data and results, I'm just going to say I can't trust it" |
Bra you know how many times I posted Fraser institute or some other shit that reads exactly like that and it was just blown off? It’s pretty clear an organization like that is funded by the people who want the report to read a certain way. If emissions went down, good for them in actually achieving something, we all paid a huge price for it and now it’s being reversed. |
I'm surprised but gas price is 155.9 in Nanaimo. |
So what is PP going to do about crime? Other than yelling out "Jail not Bail" can someone link me to his Party's election platform? |
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https://www.conservative.ca/poilievr...nals-for-life/ Severe punishment for repeat criminals. Wild concept. |
Gas prices in my area are currently $1.88 - $1.97, the exact same price they were days ago, funny that. The issue I worry about is by dumping that tax, the province is going to have to find that lost revenue somewhere, that likely means an increase to income taxes for everyone else. We've essentially moved the tax burden from oil producers and the wealthy, over to the broad mass. Typical Conservative economics. |
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But surely someone who is as amazing as him can find the shortfalls elsewhere right? If it was the “right” thing to do, I guess everyone (the masses) were the wrong ones to question it and we should just accept any and all new taxes regardless of whether the govt. can actually explain where the fund are going other than general revenue? From the start this was poorly executed. |
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Regarding this particular report the organisation doesn't hide that its point of view is about pushing for market based green solutions which was originally a position of the right before the right went crazy. Carbon taxation was an idea of Conservatives, not Liberals or Socialists so it's unclear where this group sits on the left-right spectrum. The report answers a pretty simple question that doesn't contain any material bias - did per capita consumption of fuel change more in BC than the rest of the country after the carbon tax showed up (and did GHG emissions go down as well). This might as well have been a test of whether increasing fuel prices drives down consumption. The answer is obvious - duh, of course it did, something got more expensive and we used less of it. Economics 101. But because it comes from a group you've never heard of you dismiss it. |
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