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6793026 04-03-2025 05:57 PM

^^^ You know what.. before I thought dumb people will never get elected, then again, we see Trump with zero agenda and won.

yes US has a lot of uneducated southerns and really loves trump because he's easy to understand... well.. that's very similar to PP.

JDMDreams 04-03-2025 06:00 PM

^^^ I want my cotton hand picked by Americans

VRYALT3R3D 04-03-2025 06:16 PM

I love how the people in this thread just blindly follow Carney and make mindless platitudes. I don't think his record is impressive at all.

If you want to see how well his policies worked - go look at the UK. Carney's position on QE & his failure to increase interest rates caused a lot of the structural problems that the UK faces today: inflation and sky-rocketing housing prices. Expect to see more of it if he remains in power. I will never understand the people who recognize the liberals ruined the economy in Canada and also think the same clowns are the solution.

SkinnyPupp 04-03-2025 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D (Post 9171909)
Carney's views on this trade war is quite parochial. He should be reminding Trump, as Poilievre has done, that Canada is integral for ensuring USMCA region is competitive with the rest of the world. What he is suggesting to do will do little to ameliorate the trade war between Canada and the USA. Canada's weak economy under the liberals alone is a reason to not vote more of these liberal clowns in.

Trump is in the midst of crashing the US economy and the PP brained people want Canada to go down with it. That is bad thinking. Or as you put in another post "blindly following" them.

Hondaracer 04-03-2025 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9171917)
Trump is in the midst of crashing the US economy and the PP brained people want Canada to go down with it. That is bad thinking. Or as you put in another post "blindly following" them.

Again, if you think Canada is so great, move back.

It would be a rude awakening for you by the sounds of it. As it is for a huge portion of the population largely due to the policies of the last decade.

SkinnyPupp 04-03-2025 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9171918)
Again, if you think Canada is so great, move back.

It would be a rude awakening for you by the sounds of it. As it is for a huge portion of the population largely due to the policies of the last decade.

I don't think any country is particularly great right now

I left 20 years ago partly for the reasons you complain about constantly. It's not a new thing. Maybe it got worse, but everywhere in the world got worse, and will continue to do so until it's uninhabitable.

Hondaracer 04-03-2025 06:41 PM

lol.. yea.. it’s gotten substantially worse since. Quality of life, homelessness, poverty, healthcare, etc. is all worse. You can say this or that about it, but tangible change has not happened for the vast majority of time the federal liberals have been in power. It’s idiotic to think the way out of this is through electing the same people back into power.

Again, no one has explained how anything is suppose to change with less than a quarter of new MP’s on the liberal side.

The same people responsible for the current fiscal policy, the current immigration nightmare, unaffordability, etc.

There is this bizarre love affair with Carney who’s proven nothing. 15 minutes of Carney doesn’t make up for 2+ terms of the current liberal party, which, again, is largely exactly the same. If Trudeau wasn’t to blame for the failures of the party, I love how you think a new guy could somehow be the saviour as an individual lol.. it’s insane.

Everyone can say the “unnafordability” started with Harper, but it became completely unsustainable and out of control in the last decade.

Anecdotally my own and my parents home gained about 35% in value between 2008 and 2016. Pretty standard growth. Between 2016 and today, both these homes have virtually doubled.

The difference between a detached home being 1 million, and the same home being 2 million is a HUGE difference. Not only just in the basic skyrocketing value, but moreso the affordability to your average Canadian. A 35-40% increase between 2008 and 2016 was still sustainable for your average family. Wages were still in the same stratosphere and while it was probably uncomfortable, it was completely feasible. With wages not keeping up whatsoever, and a single family home now averaging 2 million, that dream is gone forever for most people.

It’s pretty simple. Maybe it was on its way before, but the “Canadian dream” or what North Americans consider the dream truly died in the last decade. There’s absolutely no debate on that.

VRYALT3R3D 04-03-2025 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9171917)
Trump is in the midst of crashing the US economy

Trump has effectively unveiled the consequence of trading uncertainty for certainty, which is what firms yearn for. Everyone now knows where Trump stands and there isn't any uncertainty anymore.

Any damage to the US economy is dependent on whatever their trading partner's retaliate with. Trump is ready to escalate it further to ensure they think twice about returning fire. The EU already raised its white flag when they didn't do any retaliatory measures. Its obvious given the EU's trade surplus with the US that they wont win any sort of a trade war and they are focused on mitigating its impact. Likewise, Trump's administration can tolerate a weak economy in order to achieve their policies. A weaker economy can compel the Fed to lower interest rates and have massive tax cuts. Never mind the fact that borrowing costs are now much lower for everyone, including the federal government.

VRYALT3R3D 04-03-2025 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9171920)
lol.. yea.. it’s gotten substantially worse since. Quality of life, homelessness, poverty, healthcare, etc. is all worse. You can say this or that about it, but tangible change has not happened for the vast majority of time the federal liberals have been in power. It’s idiotic to think the way out of this is through electing the same people back into power.

Again, no one has explained how anything is suppose to change with less than a quarter of new MP’s on the liberal side.

The same people responsible for the current fiscal policy, the current immigration nightmare, unaffordability, etc.

There is this bizarre love affair with Carney who’s proven nothing. 15 minutes of Carney doesn’t make up for 2+ terms of the current liberal party, which, again, is largely exactly the same. If Trudeau wasn’t to blame for the failures of the party, I love how you think a new guy could somehow be the saviour as an individual lol.. it’s insane.

The cult of Carney.

SkinnyPupp 04-03-2025 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9171920)
lol.. yea.. it’s gotten substantially worse since. Quality of life, homelessness, poverty, healthcare, etc. is all worse. You can say this or that about it, but tangible change has not happened for the vast majority of time the federal liberals have been in power. It’s idiotic to think the way out of this is through electing the same people back into power.

Again, no one has explained how anything is suppose to change with less than a quarter of new MP’s on the liberal side.

The same people responsible for the current fiscal policy, the current immigration nightmare, unaffordability, etc.

There is this bizarre love affair with Carney who’s proven nothing. 15 minutes of Carney doesn’t make up for 2+ terms of the current liberal party, which, again, is largely exactly the same. If Trudeau wasn’t to blame for the failures of the party, I love how you think a new guy could somehow be the saviour as an individual lol.. it’s insane.

Everyone can say the “unnafordability” started with Harper, but it became completely unsustainable and out of control in the last decade.

Anecdotally my own and my parents home gained about 35% in value between 2008 and 2016. Pretty standard growth. Between 2016 and today, both these homes have virtually doubled.

The difference between a detached home being 1 million, and the same home being 2 million is a HUGE difference. Not only just in the basic skyrocketing value, but moreso the affordability to your average Canadian. A 35-40% increase between 2008 and 2016 was still sustainable for your average family. Wages were still in the same stratosphere and while it was probably uncomfortable, it was completely feasible. With wages not keeping up whatsoever, and a single family home now averaging 2 million, that dream is gone forever for most people.

It’s pretty simple. Maybe it was on its way before, but the “Canadian dream” or what North Americans consider the dream truly died in the last decade. There’s absolutely no debate on that.

Is that a good reason to just flush everything down the toilet along with America?

Hondaracer 04-03-2025 06:56 PM

How do you know what’s going to happen?

And then on the flip side, what makes you confident the same idiots who’ve put us in this position are the same ones to fix this? So essentially what you’re saying is you’re relying single handedly on ONE person to fix this. Not gonna happen.

Between Carney and PP, who do you think truly cares about Canada more?

All things equal, personally, I’m willing to risk the new party than retreading the same people who got us where we are today.

My riding doesn’t really matter regardless, I’m probably still going to vote con but it’s a throw-away by the looks of it.

SkinnyPupp 04-03-2025 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9171926)
All things equal, personally, I’m willing to risk the new party than retreading the same people who got us where we are today.

You are falling into the same trap the Trump voters fell into. It's April 2025 now; you should know better

Manic! 04-03-2025 09:15 PM

First actual poll from Nanaimo. The NDP hold the seat now. The liberals where far back in 4th last election. Paul (green party) was the MP before the NDP won the last election. We have a lot of ABC's in Nanaimo. It's going to be close.

https://i.postimg.cc/44pB2dh3/Screen...ote-in-Nan.png

donk. 04-03-2025 09:28 PM

Why is green so high for nanaimo? Isnt the rest of the country like 2% green voters?

unit 04-03-2025 10:17 PM

hippies live on the island

Manic! 04-04-2025 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donk. (Post 9171938)
Why is green so high for nanaimo? Isnt the rest of the country like 2% green voters?

Paul Manly originally wanted to run for the NDP years ago but the party rejected him so he joined the greens and won. He lost the next election. He than ran for city council and won. Greens have a strong presence on the Island. Elisabeth May co leader of the green riding i Saanich—Gulf Islands.

Dbone 04-04-2025 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9171926)

Between Carney and PP, who do you think truly cares about Canada more?

Carney obviously. PP is just a career politician who's world view changes with the polls. He's not a serious person.
Quote:

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D
I don't think his record is impressive at all.

Keep reading those facebook posts grandpa. It's all true! FailFish

6793026 04-04-2025 05:41 AM

I don't give a crap on who cares about Canada more.
I can't even tell if either one or any politicans puts on a real game face on. Every one of them lies in front of camera LOL.
I do know Carney was chosen to help in the UK for a reason. Just because he wasn't 'successful' can be a lot of factors. Fact he was chosen by must mean he has done something right.

Bashing people on failed this and that... i quickly put people in place... dude.. you didn't even graduate university with economics.. this guy came out from business school and is finance minister etc... you're here drinking with me and you're still have credit card debts from...... who are you to judge LOL.

*crickets...

VRYALT3R3D 04-04-2025 07:00 AM

Again, I am shocked people continue to vote Liberal despite our economy sputtering on all cylinders. I am not sure why people vote for Carney expecting a different result.

This is a car forum. Do you really think that the Liberal's plan for electrification of vehicles is even feasible? It is unrealistic. Carney will keep this same garbage policy if he is voted in. Liberals don't care about market forces and free markets. They just want to dictate the market.

https://www.metroev.ca/hs-fs/hubfs/5...5e_image1.webp

Hondaracer 04-04-2025 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9171927)
You are falling into the same trap the Trump voters fell into. It's April 2025 now; you should know better

This isn’t an answer. You’re just spewing the same old BS.

Rarely in politics do people get a second chance

The majority of people in the liberal party are the same ones responsible for failures of this regime. They have failed on major issues during their time in office. These are the same people returning.

They do not deserve a third chance. Period.

This government was completely aware of Trump’s tariffs intentions, there was sign after sign this was a real threat let alone Trump harping on it endlessly even before his first term in office. And this Liberal parties plan was cross your fingers and hope Trump doesn’t get re-elected.

Surely though, one man can fix it all.

unit 04-04-2025 07:25 AM

you have to admit though, this was PPs election to lose and he did not rise up to the occasion to unify canadians through the trump tariff announcements. instead he just kept dividing and thats why the cons are looking like they might lose.

Hondaracer 04-04-2025 07:30 AM

Oh PP is a total clown and I have less and less confidence he will even be able to get a minority

But that doesn’t change my stance on the liberals

westopher 04-04-2025 07:42 AM

What was the liberal party to do about this tariff situation that was different than the rest of the world?
Surely every country thought
A) America wasn't dumb enough to elect trump again and
B) he wasn't dumb enough to crash his own countries economy
Again, you've got every reason to vote for someone else if you aren't happy with what they have done, but you create these extra reasons out of thin air like they should be able to wave this magic wand and predict the future and press the "fix economy" button that would somehow separate us from other world events.

Hondaracer 04-04-2025 07:45 AM

So they had the entire first Trump regime, and then the Biden regime which also put additional tariffs on Canada in the form of softwood lumber etc. and now we’re back at Trump.

There likely should have been a bit more done to operate independently as a nation as opposed to relying that global trade would remain the way it is forever and just operate on that assumption?

The signs were all there. But I guess it wasn’t important enough to address. You can say the cons wouldn’t have done anything either, they weren’t in power. They didn’t have the ability to address it, so that’s irrelevant

whitev70r 04-04-2025 08:00 AM

Vote Honda for leader of the Cons. He is well-researched, well informed, and one with creative ideas for Cons economics and ideology.


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