Canadian politics thread

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Unlike you, I am voting for someone who will change Canada and not keep the status quo.

The fact that emigration, under inept liberal leadership has reached an all time high in 2023, speaks volumes about Canada. Essentially 1 in 5 immigrants that have come to Canada in the last 20 years have left.

Poilievre is more in touch with what is going on with Canada and has pragmatic solutions.

Sure I don't dispute that you are voting for some one who's inept and out of touch with what Canada needs. What we need to unity and not sowing division, hate, and distrust. We can agree to disagree on that point.

Yet, you sound exactly the same as the politicians you don't like where you don't answer questions. I asked you why are you here arguing with the same 5 people yet you completely gloss over that point.

[westopher]

One thing I can't understand about the right/left divide is how so much of the right places so much faith in their politicians, attends rallies and think that the leader is some demigod. Like I don't think carney is gonna save Canada. I just hope he protects it from some of the external forces worldwide that are making objectively the entire world worse. Canada is just along for the ride based on decisions from larger institutions worldwide. There's so many people that would lick PPs brand new freshly polished "work boots" and it's so weird.
It's not everyone, there are normal conservatives, and there's certainly weird liberals, but the image skews heavily on one side.

[unit]

harper was the only PM that didnt do the hip flip i believe. now we have two guys in canada who don't know how to lighten up.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Jagmeet would give out blowjobs if it meant a 0.5% increase in the NDP polling at this point. The guy single handedly destroyed the party.

No disputing he's cooked as a leader, but don't you think it's just a little bit weird that PP won't do ANYTHING adlib? No reporters... no questions from reporters... no segments that aren't heavily scripted. Why?

[Hondaracer]

So I’ll ask for the 5th time, this is legitimately the 5th time I’ve asked and not one person has responded.

How will the liberal party with a MINIMUM of 80% of the same MP’s leading the way be any different than the current party?

Everyone is so adamant a Conservative Party, a group of MP’s that have never had power will ultimately be a failure yet you have full confidence in a party that’s consistently proven they are completely incapable of leading this country will somehow turn it around because of a leader, who, many of you say is simply a figure head of the party.

For the 5th time.. I’ll wait.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

No disputing he's cooked as a leader, but don't you think it's just a little bit weird that PP won't do ANYTHING adlib? No reporters... no questions from reporters... no segments that aren't heavily scripted. Why?

If speaking to fucking Nardwuar is the baseline I don’t know what to tell ya. Maybe he has better things to do than speak to an irrelevant Canadian “celebrity” ?

[68style]

Better than renting out a race track for a video? Hyporcite LOL

Did you even watch the segments? Politics aside, they're both super likeable guys I feel like anyone would actually enjoy sitting down for a drink with. Something tells me even politics aside the same can't be said for PP.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So I’ll ask for the 5th time, this is legitimately the 5th time I’ve asked and not one person has responded.

How will the liberal party with a MINIMUM of 80% of the same MP’s leading the way be any different than the current party?

Everyone is so adamant a Conservative Party, a group of MP’s that have never had power will ultimately be a failure yet you have full confidence in a party that’s consistently proven they are completely incapable of leading this country will somehow turn it around because of a leader, who, many of you say is simply a figure head of the party.

For the 5th time.. I’ll wait.

For one they have put forward a platform that says different things.
Removing the carbon tax that ruined your life apparently is a start, removing of provincial trade borders. Reduction of public spending budgets. I don't know what to tell you if you can't just read the platform and be like "this is a different platform" than the further left platforms and social issues that were at the forefront of trudeaus platforms, and listed as such. Have you read anything about it?

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

Sure I don't dispute that you are voting for some one who's inept and out of touch with what Canada needs. What we need to unity and not sowing division, hate, and distrust. We can agree to disagree on that point.

Yet, you sound exactly the same as the politicians you don't like where you don't answer questions. I asked you why are you here arguing with the same 5 people yet you completely gloss over that point.

You seem hella salty I'm discussing politics on a thread called: "Canadian politics thread". Did I ruin your circle jerk to the liberal party or something?

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by 68style

I see, so $xxM is a travesty when it's going to help other countries or a couple mill for a program you don't like here is a waste of yaddayadda... but $3B is nothing when it's trade with Russia. Makes sense. Keep moving those goal posts to suit your preferences and idealisms I guess.

It's not being salty, you explicitly said there's no trade when there is. Why should anyone here pay attention to someone who isn't paying attention?

When did I ever imply what you insinuated in your first sentence? I didn't. And yes, $3B in trade is pretty insignificant relatively. Obviously the tariffs are targeting country of origin so China can't circumvent tariffs by going through other countries. I stand by my comment that having sanctions on a country is more damaging than tariffs. Maybe in your nudist colony it isn't.

[Great68]

A 2.5B of trade defecit with Russia is "insigificant" and warrants no tariffs, while Ukraine receives a 10% tariff where the USA has a $500 mil trade surplus. Great logic.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

For one they have put forward a platform that says different things.
Removing the carbon tax that ruined your life apparently is a start, removing of provincial trade borders. Reduction of public spending budgets. I don't know what to tell you if you can't just read the platform and be like "this is a different platform" than the further left platforms and social issues that were at the forefront of trudeaus platforms, and listed as such. Have you read anything about it?

Ah so copying what the opposition had promised to do, got it.

Surely the same people who are largely responsible for this mess will get us out of it. They must have many new ideas.

Fucking hilarious though that you can’t actually articulate the tangible change that will happen rather you just refer to the platform.

That’s confidence. Can’t name a single example of how the party will improve the country other than the most generic, run of the mill policies virtually any party across the globe would spew out in an election. you must be very well versed in the platform yourself.

I’m not just trying to argue but just saying “refer to the platform” is not an answer to my question.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by Great68

A 2.5B of trade defecit with Russia is "insigificant" and warrants no tariffs, while Ukraine receives a 10% tariff where the USA has a $500 mil trade surplus. Great logic.

Russia is non-NTR. Is Ukraine a non-NTR country too? I don't think so.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

You seem hella salty I'm discussing politics on a thread called: "Canadian politics thread". Did I ruin your circle jerk to the liberal party or something?

I did not attack you, I said we are agreeing to disagree yet you go down to personal attacks, this is why the cons are losing this race, all they know how to do is attack, it's exactly because of fuck tards like you and the same one who's leading the party.

Instead of being able to answer questions you resort to attacks, and yet you STILL don't answer questions and walk around the whole thing. Yes it's a politics thread, but policies, diplomacy, etc are ALL politics.

If anyone who's salty, it's you because you are the minority and yet you try so hard to shove your opinions down everyone's throat here. You have no answer to anything except hurdur Libs bad Cons good, you all libtards.

[Hakkaboy]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So I’ll ask for the 5th time, this is legitimately the 5th time I’ve asked and not one person has responded.

How will the liberal party with a MINIMUM of 80% of the same MP’s leading the way be any different than the current party?

Everyone is so adamant a Conservative Party, a group of MP’s that have never had power will ultimately be a failure yet you have full confidence in a party that’s consistently proven they are completely incapable of leading this country will somehow turn it around because of a leader, who, many of you say is simply a figure head of the party.

For the 5th time.. I’ll wait.

I'm going to abstain from this election, but I have worked in the same corporate office for the past ~20 years.

During that time, I have personally gone thru 4xCEOs, 6xCFO's, 4 or 5 rounds of mass layoffs, 4 acquisitions and even an eventual sale. I will say that having new leadership while retaining 80% of the same staff CAN lead to some significant changes, but YMMV.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I did not attack you, I said we are agreeing to disagree yet you go down to personal attacks, this is why the cons are losing this race, all they know how to do is attack, it's exactly because of fuck tards like you and the same one who's leading the party.

Instead of being able to answer questions you resort to attacks, and yet you STILL don't answer questions and walk around the whole thing. Yes it's a politics thread, but policies, diplomacy, etc are ALL politics.

If anyone who's salty, it's you because you are the minority and yet you try so hard to shove your opinions down everyone's throat here. You have no answer to anything except hurdur Libs bad Cons good, you all libtards.

lmfao keep it classy, pal.

You seem awfully upset that someone has a different view than you.

You can apologize for your outburst now or you can continue this interminable discussion.

[noclue]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-program-will/

Doubling down on the disastrous gun control program. He advertises himself as a pragmatist and the data shows what a failure the program is and majority of gun crimes come smuggled through the usa but same ol' liberal.

[supafamous]

https://albertacentral.com/intellige...est-in-canada/

TIL: Most of the decline (or lack of) in per capita GDP growth over the last 10 years in Canada is due to Alberta and Saskatchewan - both province saw significant declines in per capita GDP.

The root cause is resource pricing - oil in particular. Alberta is so oil dependent that their numbers live or die with oil prices.

I could blame Conservative policies in the two provinces but I'm not a fuck tard - whether this was a NDP/Liberal or Conservative govt wouldn't have made a material difference here in how Albertans are poorer than they were 10 years ago, more so than any other province (they do remain the highest amongst all provinces overall though).

[JDMDreams]

So are you guys gonna vote early or wait till the last min

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Ah so copying what the opposition had promised to do, got it.

Cons: The Liberals are too woke and are part of the radical left!
Libs: Gets rid of the leader, finds a more moderate one, shifts policies to the right, becomes less "woke".
Cons: NO, NOT LIKE THAT!

As I've pointed out in before here (last week?) - the policies, while similar, are different in their details. The Cons want to get rid of the industrial carbon tax (which is a really bad policy idea due to international trade policies) while the Libs only got rid of the consumer tax and will use incentives to drive lower emissions. The Cons would get rid of the housing accelerator housing fund while the Libs are spinning up a housing corp.

The Liberal policy proposals remain guided by govt intervention as a key pillar while the Cons intend to let the market solve things. They may have similar headlines but very different approaches and outcomes.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Fucking hilarious though that you can’t actually articulate the tangible change that will happen rather you just refer to the platform.

That’s confidence. Can’t name a single example of how the party will improve the country other than the most generic, run of the mill policies virtually any party across the globe would spew out in an election. you must be very well versed in the platform yourself.

I’m not just trying to argue but just saying “refer to the platform” is not an answer to my question.

This is classic Conservative gotcha politics - where has any Conservative here actually walked through a Conservative policy and dissected the elements of it. Even to the degree I just did above (to note the distinctions between the parties)? All the Cons here do is deflect and insult.

Walk back to last week - you said public safety was your number one issue and while a couple people questioned why no one insulted you for it. I acknowledged your position and laid out how I don't think any party will satisfy you b/c of the realities of their priorities. Others raised their POVs that hiding the problem doesn't really solve the problem.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Ah so copying what the opposition had promised to do, got it.

Surely the same people who are largely responsible for this mess will get us out of it. They must have many new ideas.

Fucking hilarious though that you can’t actually articulate the tangible change that will happen rather you just refer to the platform.

That’s confidence. Can’t name a single example of how the party will improve the country other than the most generic, run of the mill policies virtually any party across the globe would spew out in an election. you must be very well versed in the platform yourself.

I’m not just trying to argue but just saying “refer to the platform” is not an answer to my question.

What fucking answer do you expect? I'm not psychic? What will cons do? You have no fucking idea. I have no fucking idea. All we have to go off is a platform.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by noclue

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-program-will/

Doubling down on the disastrous gun control program. He advertises himself as a pragmatist and the data shows what a failure the program is and majority of gun crimes come smuggled through the usa but same ol' liberal.

Bro, it’s going to be different this time! I swear!

This gun buy back program is absolutely fucking insane.

[westopher]

PP is gonna solve crime! He's gonna put more money in my pocket! He's gonna fix healthcare?
How
How
How
It's the same thing man. I don't understand how you think you can have some sort of intellectual response to this question that others don't. It's just a platform. That's literally all we get to vote for.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

What fucking answer do you expect? I'm not psychic? What will cons do? You have no fucking idea. I have no fucking idea. All we have to go off is a platform.

So you ask me, what will the conservatives do that will change life in Canada?

I would say, they have reform on crime and bail. They will end the insane gun-buy back program, they will push through resource development legislation, they will remove climate initiatives that were nothing but virtue signaling, they will develop addiction and recovery care and build capacity into that system.

These are all items that have been outlined in the media, that are visible and tangible and where I don’t need to read through a 80 page report to dissect. This is the tangible change they will make which I consider potentially positive because it’s actually tackling issues which have been highlighted as major problems in our country.

When I ask the same question to you, you say read the platform.

The fact you can’t actually articulate a single item other than what the liberals have regurgitated from the cons platform speaks volumes to initial question in that most of you don’t know what the same old idiots will actually do to enact change other than a promised plan which they’ve twice failed on.



Ok

[westopher]

Sounds like what I'd read in their platform