Canadian politics thread

[mikemhg]

I'm so confused by these stupid arguments.

Mr. Amazon Chinese product VRYALT3R3D is shitting on BA degrees -- meanwhile PeePee literally has a BA in International Relations

Honda is shitting on educations and who people vote for, meanwhile Carney has a PHD in Economics, and is running for the Liberals.

The goal moving is substantial here.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I'm so confused by these stupid arguments.

Mr. Amazon Chinese product VRYALT3R3D is shitting on BA degrees -- meanwhile PeePee literally has a BA in International Relations

Honda is shitting on educations and who people vote for, meanwhile Carney has a PHD in Economics, and is running for the Liberals.

The goal moving is substantial here.

You are very familiar with Western ways, but you are too young. You go everywhere to follow the big news, but the questions you ask are too simple – sometimes naive.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I'm so confused by these stupid arguments.

Mr. Amazon Chinese product VRYALT3R3D is shitting on BA degrees -- meanwhile PeePee literally has a BA in International Relations

Honda is shitting on educations and who people vote for, meanwhile Carney has a PHD in Economics, and is running for the Liberals.

The goal moving is substantial here.

Again, you and others are assuming a leader can make substantial change singularly for a party with hundreds of members.

He must be the Steve Hawking of finance if that’s the case. His track record frankly says otherwise.

If Carney loses, do any of you think he will stay in politics? Does that not speak to the commitment to “change” and the country if he simply abandons the party and moves on?

My main beef with ALL of this is everyone who supported the liberals in the past said the leader, Trudeau, is not the reason for the parties actions and he is simply a figure head and doesn’t make the “decisions” the party is responsible for

But.. then the leader changes, while all the people behind him largely stay the same, yet you expect someone, who, everyone said is simply a “figurehead” will be the saviour for a party that has largely proven they are completely ineffective at governing this country.

Am I wrong to make this assumption? Honestly like read what I just wrote, how can you dispute this

[EvoFire]

I not doubting Honda, or any of you, but there's one thing I've noticed when it comes to politics. Most people aren't overly passionate about it in real life, but have their own leanings and beliefs underneath.

I don't know how Honda is in real life since I've never met him, but if he feels as strongly about lib vs cons in real life as he is on here, a lot of ppl would just shut up and agree with some one like that, and choose to not engage.

I'm not saying Honda is lying about his experiences, and by all means he's most likely not, but his numbers may be misrepresented due to just how people react and many choose to not open that can of worms and get their ears talked off.

The other optic I've noticed is, it's always people that feel strongly against the left that yell the loudest. It's like that in ALL my mass group chats. They feel the need to make sure their truth is heard, there are truths, there are half truths, there are misinformation. The chat typically goes quiet for a few hours when that happens until some one posts something totally unrelated and the chatter picks up again. The kind of chatter we have here about straight politics is frankly quite rare. You could say that oh that's just one group, but no, my chats casts a pretty wide net in terms of income levels, education, and industries. The only thing that's probably a little weak is age, where the youngest in the groups are closing in on 30.

[noclue]

Ehh I’ve encountered crazy left people who start screeching if you used the wrong pronoun, and call you a fascist if they dont like your conservative points etc.

Cant win them all

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Again, you and others are assuming a leader can make substantial change singularly for a party with hundreds of members.

That's largely the case though - the Trump Republican Party doesn't resemble the Bush one and the Obama one didn't resemble the Clinton one and the Chretien one didn't resemble either Trudeau.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

He must be the Steve Hawking of finance if that’s the case. His track record frankly says otherwise.

That's just complete and total utter bullshit. His track record is stellar whether it's his education, his private sector work or his public sector work. The only human to ever serve as Governor of two national banks, 13 years at Goldman Sachs as head of sovereign risk (the best and brightest for Finance), Phd in economics (completed in 2 years), Order of Canada (by Harper), etc.

Who has criticised his performance of the last 30 years? Liz Truss who lasted all of 49 days as PM? PP's wife who then got a clapback from Jim Faherty's deputy chief of staff. Stephen Harper who then got discredited by his own public statements about Carney's work (and the Order of Canada that he awarded Carney).

I don't know if Mark will be a good PM or not but I'm many thousand times more confident in his ability than I am in PP and it's laughable to hear Conservatives say otherwise. Vote for the policies you want sure but it's not vaguely credible for anyone to suggest Carney is not a highly accomplished individual that's far more qualified than PP to run the country.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

If Carney loses, do any of you think he will stay in politics? Does that not speak to the commitment to “change” and the country if he simply abandons the party and moves on?

Is Carney's years of public service not already evidence of his commitment to the country? Carney could easily be in Jamie Dimon's seat (or be the CEO of Goldman Sachs) and be worth hundreds of millions (versus what I'd guess is tens of millions). He's 60 years old and has no need to do this other than his own ego (which I suspect is considerable) and his desire to serve his country. It's not like he isn't giving up a lot to do this - revoking his UK/Irish citizenship, resigning from numerous boards and public organisations.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

My main beef with ALL of this is everyone who supported the liberals in the past said the leader, Trudeau, is not the reason for the parties actions and he is simply a figure head and doesn’t make the “decisions” the party is responsible for

This is just another one of your reality distortion fields. I wasn't one of those - I've hardly come to the defence of either the Liberal party or Trudeau. I've said that the economic failures of the past 10 years are on them and if the election were about the past then they should lose handily.

If I said otherwise here or anywhere point it out to me. I'm sure some people think the problem was the party and some think it was Trudeau - I think it's a little of both (plus the PMO and the global inflation situation)

Would I like to have seen more turnover of the Liberal team? Of course but I'd rather go to battle with one of the world's top economists + the existing team of Liberals than Verb the Noun PP, a guy who's getting endorsements hard right politicians and influencers associated with Trump plus his inexperienced team.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Am I wrong to make this assumption? Honestly like read what I just wrote, how can you dispute this

This is just your regular rage filled diatribes that exist without facts or connection with reality.

[sonick]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

He must be the Steve Hawking of finance if that’s the case. His track record frankly says otherwise.

Lol are you kidding me, he was the governor of the BoC during 2008 financial crisis and was lauded worldwide for how he navigated Canada through it

He is a big reason why you don't see Canadian banks go bankrupt like you see in the US

https://web.archive.org/web/20110629...d=aQcJ7bw4QH.Y

https://web.archive.org/web/20160806...2535?piano_t=1

https://web.archive.org/web/20121016...Year-2012.html

Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney, the former investment banker who helped the country avert the worst of the financial crisis, says Canada’s experience provides lessons for the world.

“We are playing the role we are advocating,” Carney, 44, said in an interview yesterday at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York before a speech to the Foreign Policy Association. “We put our money where our mouth is,” he said. “So do we have something to say about this, yeah, we have something to say.”

Canada didn’t need to bail out any of its banks, even as the U.S. spent more than $400 billion to support institutions, including American International Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc.

Canada has done more than survive this financial crisis. The country is positively thriving in it. Canadian banks are well capitalized and poised to take advantage of opportunities that American and European banks cannot seize.

[Hondaracer]

More words means you’re right

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by sonick

Lol are you kidding me, he was the governor of the BoC during 2008 financial crisis and was lauded worldwide for how he navigated Canada through it

He is a big reason why you don't see Canadian banks go bankrupt like you see in the US

https://web.archive.org/web/20110629...d=aQcJ7bw4QH.Y

https://web.archive.org/web/20160806...2535?piano_t=1

https://web.archive.org/web/20121016...Year-2012.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ban...sion-1.1145997

Banks got $114B from governments during recession
Support for banks 'more substantial than Canadians were led to believe': CCPA report

Lol

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I not doubting Honda, or any of you, but there's one thing I've noticed when it comes to politics. Most people aren't overly passionate about it in real life, but have their own leanings and beliefs underneath.

I don't know how Honda is in real life since I've never met him, but if he feels as strongly about lib vs cons in real life as he is on here, a lot of ppl would just shut up and agree with some one like that, and choose to not engage.

I'm not saying Honda is lying about his experiences, and by all means he's most likely not, but his numbers may be misrepresented due to just how people react and many choose to not open that can of worms and get their ears talked off.

The other optic I've noticed is, it's always people that feel strongly against the left that yell the loudest. It's like that in ALL my mass group chats. They feel the need to make sure their truth is heard, there are truths, there are half truths, there are misinformation. The chat typically goes quiet for a few hours when that happens until some one posts something totally unrelated and the chatter picks up again. The kind of chatter we have here about straight politics is frankly quite rare. You could say that oh that's just one group, but no, my chats casts a pretty wide net in terms of income levels, education, and industries. The only thing that's probably a little weak is age, where the youngest in the groups are closing in on 30.

Like I said previously, I almost never talk about politics outside of RS. It’s pointless and I find people who are willing to talk politics in person largely
Reliant on that as their personality, they have no other interests etc. and they already have an opinion they’ve formed based on prior consideration etc.

If anyone is ever talking politics in person I typically respond a lot like I do here in saying, in my opinion, crime and bail reform is my priority therefore I support conservatives.

In person I would never ever seem to care like I do here, I couldn’t care less, this is a forum for discussion where I’m typing messages on my phone in response because I’m a troll if Carney wins it is what it is

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Like I said previously, I almost never talk about politics outside of RS. It’s pointless and I find people who are willing to talk politics in person largely
Reliant on that as their personality, they have no other interests etc. and they already have an opinion they’ve formed based on prior consideration etc.

If anyone is ever talking politics in person I typically respond a lot like I do here in saying, in my opinion, crime and bail reform is my priority therefore I support conservatives.

In person I would never ever seem to care like I do here, I couldn’t care less, this is a forum for discussion where I’m typing messages on my phone in response because I’m a troll if Carney wins it is what it is

I probably missed that post. I don't read every single post in here in detail because you guys just go on and on and on and on sometimes

I would say I've learned from the banter between you and the others, so thank you for that.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

you’re right

I hope this mentality stays with you from now on; it's encouraging to see.

[CivicBlues]

Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney, the former investment banker who helped the country avert the worst of the financial crisis, says Canada’s experience provides lessons for the world.

“We are playing the role we are advocating,” Carney, 44, said in an interview yesterday at Bloomberg News headquarters in New York before a speech to the Foreign Policy Association. “We put our money where our mouth is,” he said. “So do we have something to say about this, yeah, we have something to say.”

Canada didn’t need to bail out any of its banks, even as the U.S. spent more than $400 billion to support institutions, including American International Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc.

God damn it Carney was 44 when he lead us thru the Great Recession? WTF am I doing with my life? lol

[sonick]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ban...sion-1.1145997

Banks got $114B from governments during recession
Support for banks 'more substantial than Canadians were led to believe': CCPA report

Lol

Oh now you trust the govt propaganda outlet CBC?

Fuckin hypocrite lmao

[sonick]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

More words means you’re right

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by sonick

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

[sonick]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

More words means you’re right

Originally Posted by sonick

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. They tend to make changes to justify the stressful behavior ... by avoiding circumstances and contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance (confirmation bias).[4][5] Festinger explains avoiding cognitive dissonance as, "Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."

Yep checks out

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by sonick

Oh now you trust the govt propaganda outlet CBC?

Fuckin hypocrite lmao

You are capping hard, bro

I am a hypocrite? You just straight up made up stuff about me.

Can you find a post where I ever called CBC "govt propaganda"? Or how I don't trust CBC?

[sonick]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

You are capping hard, bro

I am a hypocrite? You just straight up made up stuff about me.

Can you find a post where I ever called CBC "govt propaganda"? Or how I don't trust CBC?

So that's the one conservative talking point you don't believe in? Fair enough, if you truly believe the CBC is a trustworthy balanced news outlet then I apologize for assuming.

That said, the CCPA report is making a mountain out of a molehill. The US bailout was to bailout banks who were underwater and insolvent, as they owed more money than they had. This was entirely not the case with Canada.

Canada, and many other banks worldwide at the time were not insolvent, they just didn't have the liquidity.

The govt bought high quality insured mortgages from the banks so the banks would have the cash to ride out the recession, not to absolve them of bad debt like the US.

Trigger warning, words incoming:
https://financialpost.com/uncategori...t-bank-bailout

The question is, is it fair to call these efforts a “bank bailout?”

“It’s not a secret, everybody knows the Canadian banks sold mortgages to the CMHC,” said Barry Allan, chief executive of Marret Asset Management Inc., a Toronto-based hedge fund specializing in fixed income. “I don’t know where that came from.

The disappearance of liquidity was global phenomenon. Governments and central banks were faced with a dilemma: They could be good free market players and allow their economies to collapse, or they could pump money into the banks.

Ottawa, of course, opted to save the economy and as a result Canada’s banks and its economy emerged from the crisis and the subsequent recession in much better shape than many other countries.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by sonick

So that's the one conservative talking point you don't believe in? Fair enough, if you truly believe the CBC is a trustworthy balanced news outlet then I apologize for assuming.

You don't need to apologise - he didn't say he thought CBC was a trustworthy news outlet. The only news he believes is the stuff that matches his opinion. Like the polls are wrong right now but they were right 3 months ago.

[supafamous]

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/...ering-10506899

re: Ken Sim - a column from Kirk LaPointe who had run for Mayor for the NPA (ABC's predecessor) knocking Sim and ABC's poor performance since the election.

To use the party’s acronym here, let’s just agree the rookie crew has found governing to be A Bigger Challenge than it expected.

To be honest, the party was never formed out of A Basic Coherence of ideology or purpose. Mainly it just didn’t want to be its oddly distracted, encumbered civic predecessors who had a fetish for trying to solve the world’s problems instead of the city’s: climate change, social equity, market economics. What the eclectic party stood for was more or less about whatever its rivals hadn’t: cleaner and safer streets, fiscal prudence and financially viable development couched in wisdom.

But it hasn’t proven to be A Broadly Consistent administration on balancing the need for more housing with the need to not offend every neighbourhood that beckons it. It has levied taxes far outstripping cost-of-living increases, failed to quell street safety and hygiene issues, met off-site against civic rules, waged war on its integrity commissioner, frozen the construction of new supportive housing, hasn’t attracted business despite its business-minded ethos, and served notice (against what it campaigned on) that it wants to kill the city’s park board once the province consents.

For heaven’s sake, it has even defunded a school lunch program, as if Canada’s most expensive territory is somehow also Canada’s most properly fed. (As the chair of a not-for-profit society dealing with food insecurity for the city’s children, I invite council to recognize reality.)

To no one’s surprise, ABC’s capacity to maintain its lineup has proven A Bit Chaotic – firing a councillor, and driving three park board commissioners and one school board trustee to resign. There may be other defections and dismissals.

No surprise, then, that Saturday resulted in A Brutal Clobbering.

...

His strikingly serendipitous announcement Monday was to create a task force of business leaders to contend with the hot mess of the downtown. Its mandate is to study the situation for six months and bring back “actionable” measures to be implemented “as quickly as possible.” In my experience, a task force is a recourse, what you convene when your government hasn’t got its finger on the pulse, isn’t properly consulting the usual suspects, and can’t properly synthesize the perspectives and ideas to pragmatically address problems.

It's not a super well written column but the last line is very on point - Sim's been a terrible mayor that doesn't care about the city and has no plan to fix it.

[noclue]

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7507110

Mark carney finally listened to hondaracer

[JDMDreams]

Meanwhile in Canada

2 Vancouver police officers escape serious harm after suspect sets them on fire

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...fire-1.7508690

In before human rights and mental issues

[sonick]

Originally Posted by noclue

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7507110

Mark carney finally listened to hondaracer

"Carney said a Liberal government would reinvigorate the assault-style firearm buyback program launched in 2020" lol

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by sonick

So that's the one conservative talking point you don't believe in? Fair enough, if you truly believe the CBC is a trustworthy balanced news outlet then I apologize for assuming.

The fact that you assume all conservatives believe in the same supposed "talking points" really shows how ignorant you are.