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Manic! 02-18-2020 09:36 PM

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...avel-to-china/

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The Senate’s ethics watchdog has found Conservative Senator Victor Oh broke the Red Chamber’s conflict of interest and ethics code by accepting an all expenses-paid trip to China for himself and two other senators.

highfive 02-19-2020 01:16 PM

With all these pipeline protest, can someone explain why FN has so much say on their land that supposedly belongs to the her majesty the queen?

Great68 02-19-2020 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by highfive (Post 8974944)
With all these pipeline protest, can someone explain why FN has so much say on their land that supposedly belongs to the her majesty the queen?

Are you new here?

The issue is that this land was never ceded to her majesty the queen, so it doesn't belong to her.

DragonChi 02-19-2020 06:37 PM

Pretty sure FN would still be like the uncontacted tribes of the Amazon if it weren't for the Europeans coming here. If they want their land back, they should give up all the mordern conveniences that were brought.

If it were any other time in past history, they would have been conquered and assimilated or wiped out.

I'm waiting for them to distrupt our country right into poverty. Then we will see which side the people will choose.

Hondaracer 02-19-2020 07:17 PM

The national history museum in London has a pretty stark contrast in their displays of Roman Iron Age artifacts and architecture and then next door is the North American native artifacts and displays. People had indoor plumbing, vast sewer systems and countless other innovations we enjoy today at the time when North American natives still were chiseling arrow heads out of rock.

At some point this colonist bla bla bullshit has to end. People who are 3rd and 4th generation Canadians being told to “get off stolen land” these people have been here for as long if not longer than many of these pieced together native bands and have actually contributed to society.

Cut them a billion dollar check and tell them to fuck off. None of this shit is about land or rights anymore, it’s about money, plain and simple.

Manic! 02-19-2020 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8974975)
The national history museum in London has a pretty stark contrast in their displays of Roman Iron Age artifacts and architecture and then next door is the North American native artifacts and displays. People had indoor plumbing, vast sewer systems and countless other innovations we enjoy today at the time when North American natives still were chiseling arrow heads out of rock.

At some point this colonist bla bla bullshit has to end. People who are 3rd and 4th generation Canadians being told to “get off stolen land” these people have been here for as long if not longer than many of these pieced together native bands and have actually contributed to society.

Cut them a billion dollar check and tell them to fuck off. None of this shit is about land or rights anymore, it’s about money, plain and simple.

Europeans were also dying of the plague because they were shitting and pissing in the streets.


The first settlers would not have survived without the help of natives.

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/s...s/201011240253

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"It's well documented that the first Europeans who settled in the New World could not have made it through the first few winters without the assistance and knowledge of American Indians," said Dick Ropp, of Edinboro, chairman of the French Creek Living History Association, a group formed in 2003 to research and disseminate information about the French and American Indian presence in Western Pennsylvania.

Hondaracer 02-19-2020 09:19 PM

I’m sure the endless ships filled with modern technology would have eventually survived a winter.

Manic! 02-19-2020 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8974984)
I’m sure the endless ships filled with modern technology would have eventually survived a winter.

or they could have ended up like the Vikings.

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First flush: The remains and the historical studies of the Indus Valley Civilisation that existed in India over 5,000 years ago, revealed how India at that time had created highly advanced canals, along with irrigation, water management and sewage systems. The world’s first flush toilets were also discovered in most homes in the Indus Valley Civilisation, which is supposed to be the largest ancient civilisation in the world.

DragonChi 02-20-2020 04:28 AM

Vikings were hundreds of years early. There were settlers in South America already, it was just a matter of time.

What happened to this Indus Civilisation?

welfare 02-20-2020 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 8974951)
Are you new here?

The issue is that this land was never ceded to her majesty the queen, so it doesn't belong to her.

It wasn't, no. But the issue is who has authority over the territory?
Elected council? Under the Indian Act, yes.
But if we were to recognize UNDRIP, which i believe this provincial government has stated, hereditary chiefs and wetsuwetten law predate the Indian Act.

Like so many areas of diplomacy that make up Canada and our culture, there seems to be a lot of grey area.

Manic! 02-20-2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8975006)

What happened to this Indus Civilisation?

The same thing that happened to the Roman empire honda was bragging about.

vitaminG 02-20-2020 11:16 AM

^ which is??? Cause I'm pretty sure there's no consensus whatsoever on what happened to the Indus valley civilization. The the narrative I believe you are trying to promote is that they were overrun by Aryan people which is widely disputed

El Bastardo 02-20-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8962388)
The PPC is trash. You got a bunch or rejected cons as candidates including a disgraced former MP who used immigration fraud to get into Canada, a wife of a now dead crack head, and some nut job who thinks he is the second coming of jarah.

Do you even think they are going to win any seats? lol!!!

https://media.tenor.com/images/cacb3...417f/tenor.gif

I wish I would have participated in this thread a few months ago.. I would have some stories to have tell


https://www.mycomoxvalleynow.com/589...t-of-election/

welfare 02-20-2020 12:03 PM

Troy Whitley from Texas.
Oh do tell.

El Bastardo 02-20-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8975035)
Troy Whitley from Texas.
Oh do tell.

Yee haw, baby!

Like a lot of the PPC supporters, I broke away from the Conservatives because of Scheer. I thought Scheer was weak and a poor choice to represent the part of Sir John A.
Max had a clear vision for his party that set him apart from the Cons (which were drifting into Liberal territory) and I thought it was an interesting time to get on board.

I'd only recently started drifting to the right, and mostly because of my economic leanings. Socially, I'm far far far left of a lot of the PPC and I think thats where I had some internal strife. I'd identified to them early on that I'd been a Chretien Liberal, and a Layton NDP'er before winding up over on the right. Also, they knew about me living in Texas (but I'm still less American than Scheer :smug: )
I wanted to see some economic reform in government and I wanted to be a part of that. The PPC seemed to want to break away from the cycle of milquetoast politics dictated by corporate interests and young, impressionable, 10 month younger me found that really resonated.

I became the candidate for the Courtenay-Alberni riding on the Island, just north of Maniac's riding. I flew up a bunch and wore my knuckles raw knocking on doors around the riding. Comox, Parksville, Port Alberni, all of it. It was way too large for me to cover on my own but getting volunteers was super fucking hard because people fell into two buckets;

1) They believed the party was Trump North
2) They believed the party was Trump North

Either I was talking to people who wanted to Make Canada Great Again or were worried I was trying to Make Canada Great Again. There wasn't a lot of middle ground. As a result, my "team" was very very very small.

I had a huge problem getting donations to come in because of a team member who wouldn't fill out regulatory banking paperwork. I'll own that because I selected him based on his promise that he'd fill out the regulatory banking paperwork. As a result, my campaign had zero dollars come in. Kind of awkward having to turn away money at the door because it wasn't going to the bank but instead an empty Maxwell House coffee can. I asked the party for help but crickets. The party was dealing with some very visible public image problems so I'd imagine thats where their attention was directed.

Around that time I had a clown car of Stormfront rejects try to run a coup on my campaign. Some guy I'd never even heard of who claimed to be the candidate tried to force me out of my own slot. He got very visible and very shitty on social media, so much so that the party HQ had to intervene and have him shut down. It was incredibly embarrassing to have to do that, especially in the wake of the first very public resignation (one of many to come) which really made some of the conversations I had with people very awkward.

Ultimately, I just couldn't garner the support to even get on the fucking ballot (which was kind of funny when you think about it) because a lot of the people I spoke with like what I had to say, but were "voting strategically" for Scheer. They somehow thought that the candidate endorsement paperwork somehow meant they were committed to voting for me (in spite of the directions declaring clearly it did NOT).

Anyhow, the weekend of the paperwork deadline it was clear I didn't have the handful of signatures needed to get run as a candidate and by that time my feelings on the party had changed based on some of the "membership demographics" and how it dealt with difficult issues so c'est la vie.

I think Max has a chance for success in the future but needs to understand what kind of support his party is getting, and from who. This isn't the Reform Party that Preston Manning started years ago, and this isn't the Wild Rose Party. They found niches in the political ecosystem that were based on more than just being "an alternative".

I hope Max surrounds himself with the right kind of people and doesn't suffer fools much longer. I've spoken with him and hes a genuinely good person.

https://i.imgur.com/RHgEWtv.jpg

Manic! 02-20-2020 03:05 PM

What made you think it was a good idea to run for a seat in Courtenay-Alberni while living in Texas?

El Bastardo 02-20-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8975047)
What made you think it was a good idea to run for a seat in Courtenay-Alberni while living in Texas?

I was up on the Island a looooot during 2019. I knew I had the time to dedicate to a proper run. Shook a lot of hands up there, met a lot of folks, just not everyone.

I'd fully intended on moving back if I'd been successful.

I'll say this tho; proper preparation can accomplish a lot. I'd scheduled myself meticulously during that campaign and covered quite a bit. If I'd built a better team I would have been happier with the outcome. I wouldn't have won (in spite of being the sexiest candidate in my riding) but I'd be less salty about the way it ended.

welfare 02-20-2020 03:33 PM

Thank you for sharing, El Bastardo.
And thank you so much for your effort.

El Bastardo 02-20-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8975051)
Thank you for sharing, El Bastardo.
And thank you so much for your effort.

Thanks. I appreciate that.

I'm not quite sure what the next election will look like and it's a damn shame Pierre Poilievre isn't in the running for CPC leadership because hes the right choice imo. Singh has good intentions but comes off like hes in over his head. It's time for May to step aside and let someone else inject some credibility into the Greens.

I have my doubts on a third term for Trudeau unless he has a hail Mary in his pocket. The SNC Lavalin thing, even though its ancient news at this point, feels like "business as usual" which....sucks

Manic! 02-20-2020 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by El Bastardo (Post 8975050)
I was up on the Island a looooot during 2019. I knew I had the time to dedicate to a proper run. Shook a lot of hands up there, met a lot of folks, just not everyone.

I'd fully intended on moving back if I'd been successful.

I'll say this tho; proper preparation can accomplish a lot. I'd scheduled myself meticulously during that campaign and covered quite a bit. If I'd built a better team I would have been happier with the outcome. I wouldn't have won (in spite of being the sexiest candidate in my riding) but I'd be less salty about the way it ended.

Good on you for running but people were shitting on Jameet for running in Burnaby. If you want to win you have to do the groundwork and takes months/years.

Manic! 02-20-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by El Bastardo (Post 8975053)
Thanks. I appreciate that.

I'm not quite sure what the next election will look like and it's a damn shame Pierre Poilievre isn't in the running for CPC leadership because hes the right choice imo. Singh has good intentions but comes off like hes in over his head. It's time for May to step aside and let someone else inject some credibility into the Greens.

I have my doubts on a third term for Trudeau unless he has a hail Mary in his pocket. The SNC Lavalin thing, even though its ancient news at this point, feels like "business as usual" which....sucks

TJ is here for 8 years or more. He pretty much gave the cons the last election and they still could not het it done. The cons are 15 to 20 years behind the liberals/Canada on social issues. 15 years after gay marrage was legalized we still have a number of cons that think it should be banned.

welfare 02-20-2020 06:30 PM

Nice to see some coverage, however minimal, on the members (who make up the vast majority) in favour of this pipeline.
Seems clear there have been measures taken to silence them.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...slink-pipeline

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“It really makes me sad that our elders and our hereditaries cannot speak because only the select few are allowed and I really don’t believe in that,” she said, adding that members of the Big Frog clan had not been kept informed since 2015, when relations between the hereditary chiefs and Coastal GasLink broke down.

Coastal GasLink is building a 670 km underground natural gas pipeline between Dawson Creek and Kitimat and has signed agreements with 20 First Nations bands along the route, including five within the Wet’suwet’en territory.

“People are starting to speak the truth about what they feel,” Shephard said. “People want to work. The chiefs are supposed to talk to the clans and the clans are supposed to make the decisions. It’s not going that way.”

Robert Skin, a councillor with the Skin Tyee Band, said the benefits agreement that his band had signed with Coastal GasLink “will look after our children and our children’s children.”

“These protesters are getting one side of the story,” he said. “They want to stand up with their fists in the air, but I say come and listen to us and get the other side of the story before you go out there and stop traffic and stop the railroad. All you are doing is alienating our people who are trying to put a roof over their heads and food on the table.”

wreck 02-20-2020 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by El Bastardo (Post 8975053)
it's a damn shame Pierre Poilievre isn't in the running for CPC leadership because hes the right choice imo.

agreed, I was devastated as well.

he would have been an excellent leader.

welfare 02-20-2020 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wreck (Post 8975074)
agreed, I was devastated as well.

he would have been an excellent leader.

:troll:

Bouncing Bettys 02-20-2020 10:04 PM

Erin O'Toole seems to be a CPC leadership candidate not looking to emulate the Liberals like MacKay or Sheer, which is welcome. He would definitely put an end to the PPC if chosen.


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