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belka 02-27-2020 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 8975622)
Big brained protesters:

Hahaha those twigs are going to snap like match sticks, a fully loaded train can plow through a tree no problem.

Those aren’t protestors anymore, they are domestic terrorists. Call in the Army and end this bullshit, they are itching for action since the end of Afghan.

Manic! 02-27-2020 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by belka (Post 8975710)

Those aren’t protestors anymore, they are domestic terrorists. Call in the Army and end this bullshit, they are itching for action since the end of Afghan.

That would just make the problems worse.

Zedbra 02-27-2020 11:08 AM

I would think it would solve the problems. All depends on opinion, but laws are laws and they don't have opinion (unless you are JT and have the Attorney General stop investigating your illegal activities, then laws are flexible).

belka 02-27-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8975735)
That would just make the problems worse.

Not if the GoC enables the Emergency Act. It would put a swift end to all this tomfuckery.

JD¹³ 02-27-2020 11:28 AM

Don't we all wish we had some leadership with some fucking conviction whose 'dialogue' to these professional protestors and out of country organizers who blockade infrastructure, throw rocks at trains, set fires on tracks, slash the tires of police vehicles, and intimidate the public consisted of:
https://media.giphy.com/media/5xtDar...TYoo/giphy.gif

Gov/police need to step in before the general public run out of patience and do it first, that's when the real problems will start. That point is approaching more quickly in some communities than others.

Manic! 02-27-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedbra (Post 8975745)
I would think it would solve the problems. All depends on opinion, but laws are laws and they don't have opinion (unless you are JT and have the Attorney General stop investigating your illegal activities, then laws are flexible).

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Originally Posted by belka (Post 8975746)
Not if the GoC enables the Emergency Act. It would put a swift end to all this tomfuckery.

It would just cause a lot more protests across Canada.

!LittleDragon 02-27-2020 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8975617)
Isn't that mostly due to our oil sand's high production cost and the US shale oil's significantly lower production costs?

I always thought the problem is a lot bigger than just not having enough pipelines to move products.

This...

Global oil demand is slowly growing. 2020 is projected to be almost 102 million barrels a day. Price is kept low because the US and Saudis keep pumping more than we can use.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nd-since-2006/

Canada's oil is expensive because it's hard to get it out of the ground therefore nobody wants it. We can't really make a profit unless it's about $100/barrel (could be wrong, haven't looked at that number in years).

Canada's oil industry won't really take off until all the easy to extract oil is used up and all that's left is the oil sands.

welfare 02-27-2020 07:12 PM

Canada has just as much, If not more, deposits and opportunity to develop shale oil as the US.
The ONLY difference is they've cut back on regulations while this government has layered them causing an inability to get it to market and an exceedingly hostile environment.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1FI0G7

welfare 02-27-2020 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8975735)
That would just make the problems worse.

Typical liberal response (or lack thereof).
EXACT reason we're in this situation in the first place.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/26/e9/84/2...eral-logic.jpg

Manic! 02-27-2020 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8975827)
Typical liberal response (or lack thereof).
EXACT reason we're in this situation in the first place.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/26/e9/84/2...eral-logic.jpg

You think applying more force will make them less mad? How is that working out in HongKong?

Hondaracer 02-27-2020 10:44 PM

The general population is AGAINST the protesters.. the protesters arent the general population.

Manic! 02-27-2020 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8975848)
The general population is AGAINST the protesters.. the protesters arent the general population.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...ange-the-world

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Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
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By David Robson
Using force against them will only get them more support.

Manic! 02-28-2020 01:49 AM

Suspended for the second time for being a racist.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lyn...time-1.5478536

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Lynn Beyak has been suspended from the Senate for a second time
Social Sharing
And Alberta keeping it classy with child porn.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...mage-1.5478561

Looks like their site is down but https://web.archive.org/web/20181117...te-energy.com/

welfare 02-28-2020 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8975846)
You think applying more force will make them less mad? How is that working out in HongKong?

Whether it be Hong Kong or Vancouver, when protesters break the law you arrest them. When they don't, you allow them to protest.

Pretty simple concept right?
Unfortunately these days, even the simplest cornerstones of society seem up for debate.
Welcome to Trudopia.

StylinRed 02-28-2020 06:43 AM

I've not been paying attention to this really, due to being out of country/busy, but all Ive been seeing/hearing in the media is that the cons want to take away our charter right of assembly, and label protesters as terrorists, because they disagree with the protesters, is that about it? I've not seen/heard anything about protesters being violent, or anything terror worthy???

Zedbra 02-28-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8975762)
It would just cause a lot more protests across Canada.

You call it protests, I call them law breakers. So, clean up the criminals while the rest of us go to fucking work.

Manic! 02-28-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8975865)
Whether it be Hong Kong or Vancouver, when protesters break the law you arrest them. When they don't, you allow them to protest.

Pretty simple concept right?
Unfortunately these days, even the simplest cornerstones of society seem up for debate.
Welcome to Trudopia.

I didn't hear you complain when the yellow vesters where breaking the law.

Manic! 02-28-2020 09:55 AM

Hey betty what did you say about the cons and abortion?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sch...vote-1.5478658

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Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer appears to be backtracking on a campaign commitment to stop efforts to reopen the abortion debate, with a Conservative MP allowed to introduce a bill seeking to ban abortions for the purpose of choosing a child's sex.
Abortions first same-sex marriage next.

Great68 02-28-2020 10:20 AM

I dunno, I'm pro abortion, but I'm not supportive of abortions for the purpose of choosing a child's sex either, people doing that are shitty human beings and IMO shouldn't be having kids in the first place.

But I also know that it would be impossible to properly regulate that sort of thing.

underscore 02-28-2020 12:18 PM

You don't find out the sex until the second ultrasound at 18-20 weeks (second trimester). Ignoring the number of people who would want to do that, anyone willing to have an optional abortion at that stage aren't likely to be good parents. Especially if the sex is the opposite of what they're wanting, I can't imagine that child having a good home life.

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8975868)
I've not seen/heard anything about protesters being violent, or anything terror worthy???

Some of them have been fairly violent, throwing things like a pallet at vehicles going around the roadblocks, attempting to derail trains (either with debris on the tracks or messing with the switching), damaging bridges, etc.

belka 02-28-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 8975893)
I dunno, I'm pro abortion, but I'm not supportive of abortions for the purpose of choosing a child's sex either, people doing that are shitty human beings and IMO shouldn't be having kids in the first place.

But I also know that it would be impossible to properly regulate that sort of thing.

It would be extremely simple. Don't leave left or right powers to regulate every law. We are in a digital age, there is no reason why things like this can't be held to a referendum or vote. Hold national votes for laws like abortion or same-sex marriage. Make it online or at a local government center, hell if I can file my taxes digitally with a SIN then why can't I vote in the same manner? If you don't care about a topic or too lazy to get out and vote, well too bad, your point of view doesn't matter.

Great68 02-28-2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8975917)
You don't find out the sex until the second ultrasound at 18-20 weeks (second trimester). Ignoring the number of people who would want to do that, anyone willing to have an optional abortion at that stage aren't likely to be good parents. Especially if the sex is the opposite of what they're wanting, I can't imagine that child having a good home life.

You can find out the kid's sex earlier than that through pre-natal testing.
We did the Harmony NIPT genetic testing for birth issues, and as a side benefit they can tell sex of the baby at 8 weeks in.

Great68 02-28-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by belka (Post 8975920)
It would be extremely simple. Don't leave left or right powers to regulate every law. We are in a digital age, there is no reason why things like this can't be held to a referendum or vote. Hold national votes for laws like abortion or same-sex marriage. Make it online or at a local government center, hell if I can file my taxes digitally with a SIN then why can't I vote in the same manner? If you don't care about a topic or too lazy to get out and vote, well too bad, your point of view doesn't matter.

Huh?

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "impossible to regulate".

What I meant was it would be impossible to prove if a pregnancy was being terminated for no other reason than sex of the baby. Those that wanted the abortion would just say they're aborting for some other reason. I'm not supportive of anything that makes it more difficult or places further scrutiny to obtain abortion for other reasons.

welfare 02-28-2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8975884)
I didn't hear you complain when the yellow vesters where breaking the law.

Yellow vesters weren't arrested when they acted unlawfully?

How many billion$ did the yellow vest protests cost the Canadian economy?
How many thousands of jobs lost?
How many lay offs?

The criminal behavior is only one factor to public opinion.
#shutdowncanada
https://nationalpost.com/news/one-th...-the-blockades

Manic! 02-28-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8975966)
Yellow vesters weren't arrested when they acted unlawfully?
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No, they were not arrested every time they broke the law.


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