That's not what scheer wants. he wants a private jet for him and his family. Also whats wrong with zoom?

Some are using CERB for non essentials... like dirt bikes... for a lot of people, CERB is more than what they made normally so it's like a windfall for them. Human nature to YOLO and not think about the future.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...efit-1.4931779

To be honest I worked for CRA in 2001-2003, specifically doing Child Tax Benefit investigations... and we rang alarm bells about all the rich people (mostly from China) applying saying their spouse makes no money and claiming full benefits for their kids living in west end houses.... and we got told the same thing “Your job is to process applications not ask questions”... CRA has been turning a blind eye to cheaters for 20+ years and possibly beyond. Conservatives or Liberals it doesn’t matter.

Oh I'm well aware, believe me. My sister in law worked that same field.
The difference here is that we're talking about a much much greater number.
And with an avowed oversight.

... you sure about that?

I'm not totally sure what a monthly child benefit is per kid for $0 income right now... but back then it was $800 a month for 2 kids... x 12 months.... x potentially 18 years as a dependent... that's $173,000 paid out unjustly PER FAMILY... and that's an ongoing problem even today in 2020 for 20 years worth of families constantly applying...? Nevermind all the welfare fraud done the same way.

I think it's much much much bigger number than the CERB payout frauds will ever even come close to.

It is a lot of money, yes. But it's also spread through a much longer period.
Even with just the flagged applicants (you'd almost certainly find more if it were looked into deeper), for one month of CERB, that's $400,000,000.
For a single month,that's a pretty staggering amount.

Only turd would openly accept people are scamming the CERB with zero mention of repercussions or accountability..

I thought His pressers were unbearable before but Jesus Christ..

I thought he just announced what was expected, that they’ll go back later on and catch up.... I mean... that’s usually how CRA works anyway.

Canada writes off approximately $1b annually in unpaid student loans. Billions more in legal fees for native land title rights. I'm not holding my breath that much of any of this money will be repaid.
The types who would knowingly commit fraud to take government money aren't the type to repay it.
It'll likely be passed off to another government and they can point fingers at each other as to why they didn't get their money back.

Trust me, i got realtors trying to find ways to cheat CERB.

CRA is all about evidence, there are tons of people who are made 300k a yr but on paper they made 70k ... happens all the time.

I told my buddies if you think of cheating CRA... good luck, once you get caught.. SURE you can give them back the CERB, but if they do an actual audit on you for the last 7 yrs on all your income... jokes on you.

IMO CERB is about a way to help Canadians who can't make it without it or have to go some length to make it work.

There will always be people who cheat, no matter what. But if one fits the description; your income has been cut off/severely affected by it, by all mean, get it first. Then worry about the consequences. Chances are, CRA doesn't have enough manpower or the cost is prohibited to go after every single person.

The ones who really need to worry about are those who clearly can't qualify (income has been affected little to none, as per the information CRA gets).

I'm not promoting people to cheat on the CERB, but however, if you are going to worry too much about the aftermath and have to put yourself or your family through financial hell, that's not what the CERB exclusion was intended for.

Don't judge by whether you qualify 100% or not, judge by whether you NEED it or not.

I've dealt with CRA on many occasions, and their job is to make sure you are in compliant, but it's NOT their job to push you through hell. There are specific CRA codes that strictly forbid that. (ONLY if you aren't doing anything illegally)

In my F&F example, could they have live WITHOUT the CERB? Maybe... but their life will certainly be affected by it. And I don't mean by a little... yes, they can feed their family and just barely pay all the bills, but not without cutting everything, such as child related expenses, physical well-being (dentists and shit) and what not.

So, when they came to me asking whether they should apply or not (out of moral value really). I just told them, if you are out of job or income affected by the virus and have proof of such, even if you can make your ends meet at the very minimum level, by all means get the CERB. At the very most, you can ask the CRA to make adjustments that you thought you qualified but you don't think you are 100% sure. But that's until the whole thing passed and CRA started checking. CRA will never give you beef if you come clean.

Because at the end of the day... really... CERB is not much. 2000 TAXABLE income (hence gross) per month or say 6-8000 until the whole thing is passed is really not much when all tax cheating are considered.

CRA has much greater problems to worry about.

My mistake, looks like they are holding reduced sittings once a week.

Keep in mind, this is a government who campaigned on transparency

No friggin way that CRA has the manpower to do 7 year audits on ALL the people who cheated on CERB after this. Common sense.

what are the actual requirements?

can anyone just apply?

hell i'll take the $2000 and pay back the taxable portion

The fact that there’s an attitude of “take the cerb and figure it out later” shows how poorly it’s been implemented.

Guaranteed it’s not “1 or 2%” of people who are scamming it, it’s likely more 10%+ and a lot of the people taking it are the ones who are already scamming income tax, EI, etc.

Also it’s absolutely ridiculous that companies like air canada take the wage subsidy to keep employees employed (doing what?) as opposed to going on a reduced EI type subsidy.

It was either implement it poorly or watch people lose their homes.

Yeah, second this.

They could have made it very specific. But they chose not to in order to make sure the funding gets used as intended; to make sure that Canadian society as a whole doesn't suddenly collapse, as that alternative could have a much greater impact that would require much greater funding to solve, if at all possible.

It's similar to mountain rescue services. The last thing they want is that you hesitate on calling them until it's like the last resort. But that was never the intention. In fact, the earlier you call, the easier (less costly/dangerous) it might be to find you.

Any aftermath or potential misusage can be dealt with later. That's why they made it very clear that one should do it as soon as they feel it's needed.

They didn't have to impose mounds of protocol. But they could have at least some oversight. Even prisoners applying are being sent cheques.
There also has been no clarity as to how this could harm applicants credit down the road if their applications do end up being considered fraudulent.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cer...irus-1.5552436

Even if they hired enough people unless they're able to bang out an audit extremely quickly even if 10% of people are getting it fraudulently I think it'd cost more to check than it's worth.

Talk about being a sellout.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/juul-add...oard-1.1437122

Wow that’s shameful. I had a lot of respect for rona Ambrose before as well.

What a fucking piece of turd. If he ever commits a crime can we deport him?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politi...ship-1.4941780

What exactly is the problem? Changing his mind on this doesn't make him an effing turd ... you however, making this into a big deal fit that description to a T.

Ask any average person, having more than one citizenship is always an asset and a 'just in case' thing.

Just cause what? I would never give up my Canadian citizenship. No matter what happened. He is a turd for making a big deal about other people having dual citizenship. Cons questioned Teresa Tams loyalty I question his. Why does he need his US citizenship?