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I wish people would stop comparing our area to the US. 90% of Canada is a frozen wasteland and shouldn't be counted in terms of population density especially vis-a-vis COVID cases. For all intents and purposes Canada is a country with a very small livable area compared to the US. Furthermore most of our cities are the same if not more dense than than most of the US (NYC, SF excepted).
The densenst we have in Canada is 945 for Toronto.
And as you mentioned we live in major metros, most Canadian live within 100km north of the 49 parallel. If anything... our number should be higher in a per city per sqkm basis. But the US is far higher. And you wonder why it takes you 5min in and out while US takes over an hour.
They just have a completely different scale than we do.
The densenst we have in Canada is 945 for Toronto.
And as you mentioned we live in major metros, most Canadian live within 100km north of the 49 parallel. If anything... our number should be higher in a per city per sqkm basis. But the US is far higher. And you wonder why it takes you 5min in and out while US takes over an hour.
They just have a completely different scale than we do.
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber :
You're comparing US incorporated cities (generally small in area) to Canadian Metro areas (generally very large in area). Read the fucking heading on your StatsCan source: Population and dwelling counts, for census metropolitan areas, 2011 and 2006 censuses)
The top US entry, Guttenberg NJ is basically an apartment complex surrounded by 10 sq blocks of townhouses
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Here's the stats for Canada's top 3 metros (showing density for their municipal urban area) compared to a US city's density with a metro of similar size: Toronto: 4,334.4 per sq km vs Atlanta (1,416.78 per sq km)
Montreal: 4,517 per sq km vs Detroit (1,864.98 per sq km)
Vancouver: 5,493 per sq km vs Portland (1,894.68 per sq km)
And if we go back to your US source and filter out nothing but large city cores we get comparable results:
New York City 10,431.1
Chicago 4,582.3
Philadelphia 4,337.3
Boston 5,143.4
San Francisco 6,658.9
Miami 4,323
So if we take out the outliers (NYC and SF) we have very comparable densities for our cities which are much smaller in population.
Downtown density:
Toronto (8,210 per sq km)
Montreal (5,500 per sq km)
Vancouver (16,764 per sq km)
But you don't even need to google this if you've visited US and Canadian cities. Generally US cities (outside of the North East and SF) are MUCH more spread out and have much of the population residing in SFH in the suburbs, huge freeways, and shitty transit. The 6 top Canadian cities (where over half of us live btw) have large swaths of Apartment and Condo dwellers in the core and much more transit oriented. Of course if you visit only the top US cities you may have a skewed view of things, but don't forget that 90% of the US looks like this:
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How did you run a startup with that kind of attention to detail? In what universe did you think Redondo-Fucking-Beach is more dense than Toronto or Vancouver?
Bahaha... So... you are suggesting that the official census calculation is wrong? The calculation is simple... population divide by surface area.
You are not comparing apple to apples... you cherry-pick the calculation that works in your argument by narrowing into specific areas while disregarding anything else.
If we are going down this route, I can pick the densest apartment building in any city and calculate a density in the stratosphere.
Go take a read how calculation of population density is done and get back to me that your argument still holds.
Bahaha... So... you are suggesting that the official census calculation is wrong?
You are not comparing apple to apples... you cherry-pick the calculation that works in your argument by narrowing into specific areas while disregarding anything else.
Go take a read how calculation of population density is done and get back to me that your argument still holds.
No, I am not SuGgEsTiNg tHe oFfICiAl CeNsUs cAlCuLaTiOn iS WrOnG. Reading comprehension much?
You don't seem to realize the Canadian census is measuring METRO areas while the US Wikipedia source you listed is measuring areas bounded by municipal boundaries, some of which are TINY.
You are the one not comparing apples to apples.
At this point I don't even think you are reading people's replies you're just shooting off whatever shit comes to your head. It's a wonder you can even dress yourself every day.
Who isn’t reading? I’m just pointing out that you should use comparable statistics instead of cherry-picking a random statistic to make an argument.
Toronto city itself has under 3m ppl with the entire metro at roughly 7m.
NYC has under 7m in the city and whopping 22m in the metro.
The fact is that us major cities are more densely populated than ours is not an idea hard to grasp. You keep trying to argue that our metros are comparable to theirs, when they are completely on a different scale.
Who is cherry picking? There are only 3 major metros in Canada and all of them are under 10 million. NYC is 20+ million. Of course it's higher density because it's FUCKING NEW YORK. I'm saying the major cities of Canada are on average higher density than the AVERAGE US city. NYC is not an Average US city, San Francisco, LA are not either. My god it's like talking to a toddler that likes to hear the sound of his typing ..I'm done this is going nowhere if you refuse to read properly. Peace out.
Bahaha... So... you are suggesting that the official census calculation is wrong? The calculation is simple... population divide by surface area.
You are not comparing apple to apples... you cherry-pick the calculation that works in your argument by narrowing into specific areas while disregarding anything else.
If we are going down this route, I can pick the densest apartment building in any city and calculate a density in the stratosphere.
Go take a read how calculation of population density is done and get back to me that your argument still holds.
Greens would've been way up if Andrew Weaver didn't retire. They got crushed in his old riding (48% NDP vs 28% Green) where Weaver had a huge lead over the competition in 2017 (52.2% Green vs. 23.74% Liberal, 23.63% NDP)
BC Liberals have a steep uphill battle to fight for a long ways to come. They need to shake up the leadership and sift out the clowns like Jane Thornthwaite if they want to win an election anytime soon. Like MG1 said, the people have spoken.
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If I were rich I’d pay 7 figures to never deal with you again too.
This made my day.
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I literally do not plan on buying another vehicle in my lifetime, assuming it doesn't get written off.
She was appointed by Adrian Dix in February 2018... so while not officially tied to a political party the current one did choose her to succeed the retiring Kendall
I don't think the provincial health officer is affiliated with any political party. She may have even been appointed prior to them taking office
This is true however Horgan also deferred to the experts and let her be the number one figure during COVID vs someone like Doug Ford who stood in front of the cameras pretending to know what he was on about.
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