Canadian politics thread

[CivicBlues]

I'd embrace the government removing liberties from people who don't understand sarcasm and respond to everything from the opposite "team" with righteous indignation just to take up space on forum boards.

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by 68style

Nah, I just think you’re off your fuckin rocks that’s all lol

Keep hiding in the basement in fear that everyone’s trying to take everything away from you all the time. Don’t you ever get tired? Is your life here that bad man? Lots of other places to go live instead of bitching constantly about the horrible state of everything here. That’s the “unreal” part.

Too busy living in your own mind. If the government deemed me necessary to make quiet it would mean I’m pretty fuckin important and doing something audaciously contrarian to Canadian society, but I’m not and I won’t be, and neither are/will you, so maybe stop thinking you are and you’ll have an easier less stressful day worrying about them coming after you.

I'm not bitching and I'm not in fear, that's just your opinion, and a shallow one at that.

Both yours and Civic's responses is what is the worse in society now; no discussion, just opinions that need to be stomped when contrary to your own, by whatever means, and you justify nit as what 'we' all need. That's real.

[68style]

Are you okay?

You do realized that every post of yours in this thread is you bitching about the "state of Canada and our government" and your liberties supposedly being tread upon.

Not in fear? The brooding darkness of your words and warnings to everyone about the storm about to come down on all of us, while offering absolutely ZERO solutions to all these problems you purport there to be. Just a warning...! of what we are ALL about to lose. So dramatic!

How ironic that your number one enemy is a former drama teacher.

[Zedbra]

^ it's not so much him, it's the people that think like him, complete with entitlement issues. The left socialist 'values' has gone from asking for acceptance to you must obey or you will pay; demonstrated by your actions. The solution is to not vote in someone that is corrupt and destroyed our economics and rights. Your solution? Belittle someone who says so. What is your solution?

[CivicBlues]

Just curious and serious question, what "rights" do you think are being taken away from you right now?

[68style]

My actions? What have I done to you or anyone else?

How do you know my values are all socialist? I’ve stated on here before that I tend to float toward the left idealistically, but financially I tend to lean conservatively. And I’m talking the Canadian version of conservatism, which would make half the so-called “liberals” in USA blush as they’re a whole other ballgame.

My solution is not to swim in the shit, believing every graph or meme I see and painting every “liberal” or “conservative”‘with the same brush. Sometimes they do stuff I like, sometimes they do stuff I don’t like but I can still see where they’re coming from and accept it... other times they do stuff that’s crazy but fortunately we aren’t the USA and crazy doesn’t fly here (yet).

I think you’re stuck in this mindset like the extremists represent the entirety. The vast majority of liberal minded people have no cross to burn, it’s just a few extremists who are no better than people who are extremely conservative minded to be honest.

I mean sorry you can’t walk around anymore yapping out loud about “fags” or “ch*nks” or saying that women belong in a kitchen, yah, you’re gonna get vilified for it... but that’s just part of a society growing up and accepting one another. Not feeling sorry for those, Uhm, “rights” being lost. Maybe that’s not what you’re talking about, but sure sounds like it when you bring up the whole “obey or pay” thing... makes me think it’s a sociological issue surrounding political correctness.

If not, same question as above — What is it that is being taken away from you right now?

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Just curious and serious question, what "rights" do you think are being taken away from you right now?

Originally Posted by 68style

My actions? What have I done to you or anyone else?

How do you know my values are all socialist? I’ve stated on here before that I tend to float toward the left idealistically, but financially I tend to lean conservatively. And I’m talking the Canadian version of conservatism, which would make half the so-called “liberals” in USA blush as they’re a whole other ballgame.

My solution is not to swim in the shit, believing every graph or meme I see and painting every “liberal” or “conservative”‘with the same brush. Sometimes they do stuff I like, sometimes they do stuff I don’t like but I can still see where they’re coming from and accept it... other times they do stuff that’s crazy but fortunately we aren’t the USA and crazy doesn’t fly here (yet).

I think you’re stuck in this mindset like the extremists represent the entirety. The vast majority of liberal minded people have no cross to burn, it’s just a few extremists who are no better than people who are extremely conservative minded to be honest.

I mean sorry you can’t walk around anymore yapping out loud about “fags” or “ch*nks” or saying that women belong in a kitchen, yah, you’re gonna get vilified for it... but that’s just part of a society growing up and accepting one another. Not feeling sorry for those, Uhm, “rights” being lost. Maybe that’s not what you’re talking about, but sure sounds like it when you bring up the whole “obey or pay” thing... makes me think it’s a sociological issue surrounding political correctness.

If not, same question as above — What is it that is being taken away from you right now?

You can think what you want about me, but you have never asked; so it is exactly like I mentioned, you only like to hear your words, and chastise others; being applauded in the parade along the way. But let's explore thoughts, try to be open minded here, try.

You both asked what 'rights are taken away. Hence, you didn't watch video post or follow any of the news reports in the last year about Trudeau's stag part member, the Minister of Heritage, stating that they wish to start imposing a ban on what can be posted on social media; you know, for the 'good' of what you want to hear, like you listening so well.

So, our Prime Minister, who has been caught lying about expenses, been found guilty 3 times for Ethics violations, prorogued government to shut down the WE scandal (last Commonwealth leader that tried such was beheaded, look it up), who has given over 600M to the public press to keep pumping the words, been caught lying about legal gun owners being an issue with deaths versus fucktards in gangs because more fucktards want to do drugs (the opioid death rates climb every year, despite killing their customers); this same guy, with his old buddy, you want to be able to censor your words. Hell, you and Civic were holding a parade here against me, Zed.

I have a major in history and i my years of 'higher education', I never learnt of any socialist government that had the best interests of the people in their true aspirations. Not one. Name one. I don't see people flocking to China, North Korea, or Venezuela. The mass majority of Chinese posters here and population in the West must be deluded not to rush home to their stripped rights of speech and liberties? Teach me something history hasn't proved. Teach yourself how to accept it, then accept opinion.

Where did we go in society to being able to talk amongst ourselves, contrary to opinion, and giving acceptance to agree to disagree, to where it was only acceptable to one way of opinion? Know what, doesn't matter, you be you, because people gave their lives for you to have that right in this beautiful country of Canada. I would do the same, would you?

So as you parade in the drums of beating on Zed and any contrary voices to your own pithy internet words, just know, that when people like me are gone for truly questioning the government's over-reach, regardless of part or allegiance, when they parade me and others like me down the road for not accepting this 'new world', before the parade is over, they will pull you and others into the line.

End of open discussion, vote it in. You can vote in socialism, but you always have to fight your way out of it. History repeats itself again, because once again, no one wants to listen and discuss options.

[westopher]

How can you honestly say that Canada is a socialist country? The private market economy has not disappeared, nor is it under any threat to.
The false equivalency of the Canadian government wanting to limit hate speech and crackpot conspiracy theories to socialism/communism is delusional. The “slippery slope” argument is just as ridiculous. First you can’t deny science on YouTube, next thing you know the government owns your house, just isn’t the way this is going down man.
Social programs and taxpayer funded things like healthcare are quite literally the fabric of Canadian identity.
We need to worry much more about corporations taking control of government than government taking control of businesses.
We should be upset about contracts that were signed allowing massive American corporations to take Canadian water from an area where the nearby reserve has no running water. The contracts that allow Chinese state owned corporations to sue us if environmental laws cost their mining operations profits. None of these are current government issues and are far greater threats to the well being of our country than YouTube videos and registering your firearms, which seem to be hang ups for you.

[68style]

Jesus man, I'd hate to live in your head.

I'll let you know when the... parade?... pulls me in.....................

I mean, if for some reason I stop liking it here? I'll just move somewhere else. It's a big world, I'm not going to stress about shit I can't control every day. Newsflash: All politicians lie.

You live in a different world, I could care less if guns get taken away. I've never owned one and never will. And if hate speech gets limited on the internet, I don't care, I don't read twitter or IG or Facebook anyway. It's all a bunch of garbage. That's honestly your bar for socialism? Clickbait and misleading articles posted on social media being limited? Okay.

You didn't answer the question. Which rights have YOU lost recently? Did anyone limit your posts somewhere? Tell us something specific you lost or that makes Canada more difficult to live in today than it was yesterday for you personally? I think you can't, because there's a serious disconnect between the world you're living in within your own mind and the real one.

[sonick]

Zedbra's not going to answer your question. His MO is to misdirect and gaslight the conversation whenever confronted with a direct logical question.

[westopher]

After looking at the bill more in depth, they aren’t even going to limit the crackpot shit and hate speech anyways. It’s literally about having more suggested Canadian content from professional content producers, or they can tax the services operation. It’s no different than the minimum Canadian content on radio stations we’ve had for longer than we’ve been alive.
Everybody is just using it as an example of “an attack on free speech” so they can spout off about this communist takeover theory.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Zedbra

You can think what you want about me, but you have never asked; so it is exactly like I mentioned, you only like to hear your words, and chastise others; being applauded in the parade along the way. But let's explore thoughts, try to be open minded here, try.

You both asked what 'rights are taken away. Hence, you didn't watch video post or follow any of the news reports in the last year about Trudeau's stag part member, the Minister of Heritage, stating that they wish to start imposing a ban on what can be posted on social media; you know, for the 'good' of what you want to hear, like you listening so well.

So, our Prime Minister, who has been caught lying about expenses, been found guilty 3 times for Ethics violations, prorogued government to shut down the WE scandal (last Commonwealth leader that tried such was beheaded, look it up), who has given over 600M to the public press to keep pumping the words, been caught lying about legal gun owners being an issue with deaths versus fucktards in gangs because more fucktards want to do drugs (the opioid death rates climb every year, despite killing their customers); this same guy, with his old buddy, you want to be able to censor your words. Hell, you and Civic were holding a parade here against me, Zed.

I have a major in history and i my years of 'higher education', I never learnt of any socialist government that had the best interests of the people in their true aspirations. Not one. Name one. I don't see people flocking to China, North Korea, or Venezuela. The mass majority of Chinese posters here and population in the West must be deluded not to rush home to their stripped rights of speech and liberties? Teach me something history hasn't proved. Teach yourself how to accept it, then accept opinion.

Where did we go in society to being able to talk amongst ourselves, contrary to opinion, and giving acceptance to agree to disagree, to where it was only acceptable to one way of opinion? Know what, doesn't matter, you be you, because people gave their lives for you to have that right in this beautiful country of Canada. I would do the same, would you?

So as you parade in the drums of beating on Zed and any contrary voices to your own pithy internet words, just know, that when people like me are gone for truly questioning the government's over-reach, regardless of part or allegiance, when they parade me and others like me down the road for not accepting this 'new world', before the parade is over, they will pull you and others into the line.

End of open discussion, vote it in. You can vote in socialism, but you always have to fight your way out of it. History repeats itself again, because once again, no one wants to listen and discuss options.

You haven't answered the question. What's being taken away from you? You spout paragraphs of stuff rhetoric which doesn't answer the question.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by westopher

How can you honestly say that Canada is a socialist country?

When you're wayyyyyy over on the right, everyone even slightly left of you is an evil communist.

[westopher]

I get it, but other than CERB being the tool of the commie devil, and obviously necessary in this current time, what has Canada done to be more left leaning over the last bit? This is the same socioeconomic ideology that’s been Canada since I’ve been born.

[Manic!]

Former PPC candidate who promotes traditional family values runs a massage parlor (brothel) out of his house where his Asian wife works. Can't make this shit up. CBC does a whole undercover investigation.


https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/long...chewan-massage

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by sonick

Zedbra's not going to answer your question. His MO is to misdirect and gaslight the conversation whenever confronted with a direct logical question.

I answered the question. Gotta love the freedom of speech and the right to not listen. Must be nice all of you living so fragile. Laughable. Join the parade.

[Manic!]

JT taking out the trash.

Labelled a terror group by Ottawa, Proud Boys Canada dissolves itself.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...premacy-label/

[Zedbra]

Why isn't there a 'far left' label in society? Who would fit that terrorist label?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Zedbra

Why isn't there a 'far left' label in society? Who would fit that terrorist label?

People who go to Washington to try and overthrow an elected government using force would be a good place to start.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Manic!

JT taking out the trash.

Labelled a terror group by Ottawa, Proud Boys Canada dissolves itself.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...premacy-label/

JusT A NOTheR eXampLE of COmmI TruDeaU takIN aWaY FreE SPECH

[GLOW]

couldn't they officially dissolve and pop up again under diff name / entity like a shady east van restaurant shut down by health regulators?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by GLOW

couldn't they officially dissolve and pop up again under diff name / entity like a shady east van restaurant shut down by health regulators?

they could because criminals don't follow laws. A lot of these people are affiliated with multiple groups.

[68style]

What does “living fragile” even mean?

I thought most people moved to Squamish to chill a bit and get in touch with nature, not get their panties twisted with persecution complexes and conspiracy theories

[Infiniti]

Originally Posted by westopher

How can you honestly say that Canada is a socialist country? The private market economy has not disappeared, nor is it under any threat to.
The false equivalency of the Canadian government wanting to limit hate speech and crackpot conspiracy theories to socialism/communism is delusional. The “slippery slope” argument is just as ridiculous. First you can’t deny science on YouTube, next thing you know the government owns your house, just isn’t the way this is going down man.
Social programs and taxpayer funded things like healthcare are quite literally the fabric of Canadian identity.
We need to worry much more about corporations taking control of government than government taking control of businesses.
We should be upset about contracts that were signed allowing massive American corporations to take Canadian water from an area where the nearby reserve has no running water. The contracts that allow Chinese state owned corporations to sue us if environmental laws cost their mining operations profits. None of these are current government issues and are far greater threats to the well being of our country than YouTube videos and registering your firearms, which seem to be hang ups for you.

The proper term to describe Canada, according to Political Scientists, is "Welfare Capitalist". This puts us in line, with some variance, other like minded countries such as the UK, members of EU etc. Merriam-Webster describes welfare capitalism as, "capitalism characterized by a concern for the welfare of various social groupings (as workers) expressed usually through social-security programs, collective-bargaining agreements, state industrial codes, and other guarantees against insecurity."

A pet peeve of mine is how "conservative" critics liken providing social-security programs to communism or socialism. Once and for all:

Communism = command economy (i.e. an economy in which production, investment, prices, and incomes are determined centrally by a government.) Typically involves an authoritarian government running the show and making these decisions.

Socialism = same as above minus authoritarian government and led more by a collective of citizens. Hence, more compatible with democracy.

I don't know about you guys, but it takes some serious mental gymnastics to liken Canada to a communist/socialist state.

[whitev70r]

Justin Teflon is about to get away with another huge blotch on the General Vance file ... knew about it but didn't do anything because it was apparently around the same time that the public was scrutinizing his own accusation of sexual inapproriateness, so didn't want to raise it because it would have drawn attention to himself.

Before Manic! gives the usual but Erin O'Toole is a tool answer ... Libs are doing relatively fine ... just get rid of the guy at the top and replace him with anyone else.