Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

Re-electing the same group that got us here.. I beg to differ.

[noclue]

Is gregor robertson still banging that chinese singer he left his wife for?

[Badhobz]

Voter turnout for this election was 67%. That's better than the usual turnout, but still 30% of Canadians couldn't be bothered to do their FUCKING CIVIC DUTY.

Crying fucking shame.

"The largest ever turnout was 79.4 per cent in 1958, the year Tory John Diefenbaker routed the Liberals and Lester B. Pearson. The lowest, 58.8 per cent, was in 2008 as Stephen Harper’s Conservatives collected a slightly stronger minority."

[mikemhg]

Honda, you're wrong man. You keep saying "oh nothing changed", you're vastly misrepresenting what happened here.

We just had a PM that stepped down in scandal, The Cons had a 25-point lead this year, they had the election in the bloody bag. This is a fumble beyond comparison.

The focus then moved onto Pierre and people got to see what a scummy, angry, insufferable bastard he was. The Conservatives should never have ran him or his brand of politics.

I'd say this election was a very strong message that they need to change course, big time.

[!LittleDragon]

This is more of a BQ and NDP failure than CPC. CPC's numbers more or less stayed the same. Normally, 42% is more than enough for a majority government. Trudeau's 2015 majority was around 38%. Both parties got higher than that and neither won a majority.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Voter turnout for this election was 67%. That's better than the usual turnout, but still 30% of Canadians couldn't be bothered to do their FUCKING CIVIC DUTY.

Crying fucking shame.

"The largest ever turnout was 79.4 per cent in 1958, the year Tory John Diefenbaker routed the Liberals and Lester B. Pearson. The lowest, 58.8 per cent, was in 2008 as Stephen Harper’s Conservatives collected a slightly stronger minority."

1958 FUCK yeah!! Back before they let all us Godless Commies into the country. I mean seriously do we even know how to vote?


Fun fact, my parents will never ever vote Conservative because Lester B Pearson (Liberal) was the first PM to allow non-white people (thru points based immigration) into the country. Ironically it was his predecessor Diefenbaker (Cons) who eliminated race-based criteria in the first place. He's the reason why most of us are here today.

[JDMDreams]

You can make voter turn out 100% if you cut welfare, tax refund, benefits and put a fine if you don't vote.

[Dbone]

So are the Cons going to remain being led by their little PP, or pivot so some hateful dude like Jamil Jivani.

I heard that guy held the couch down while JD Vance had his way with it.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Honda, you're wrong man. You keep saying "oh nothing changed", you're vastly misrepresenting what happened here.

We just had a PM that stepped down in scandal, The Cons had a 25-point lead this year, they had the election in the bloody bag. This is a fumble beyond comparison.

The focus then moved onto Pierre and people got to see what a scummy, angry, insufferable bastard he was. The Conservatives should never have ran him or his brand of politics.

I'd say this election was a very strong message that they need to change course, big time.

100 percent. The CONS dropped the bag. It's like a huge fumble in football on the 1 yard line with a touchdown in sight. Liberals recovered the fumble.

I am hearing that some voters in the far right are blaming Cheeto's rhetoric about Canada being "the 51st state" for scaring voters to vote for the Liberals.

If I use a sports analogy, the Liberals made great halftime adjustments in a football game, to change their messaging in their campaign ads.

If you were to ask yourself as a Canadian voter, which political party would be the best party to vote for in order to defend Canadian sovereignty, which would it be?

Liberals changed their messaging and knew correctly what is one of the biggest issues in the federal election.

Canadian sovereignty. How to defend Canadian sovereignty from orange dipshit's threats of annexing Canada to be the 51st state?

Liberal TV ads focussed on the upswell in Canadian pride in our home, our land.

Heck, Carney was in a TV ad, with Canadian actor Mike Myers talking about the issues that mattered to Canadians. Elbows up to defend Canada!

A brilliant ad campaign strategy for the TV ads from the Liberals if you ask me.



Elbows up

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Honda, you're wrong man. You keep saying "oh nothing changed", you're vastly misrepresenting what happened here.

We just had a PM that stepped down in scandal, The Cons had a 25-point lead this year, they had the election in the bloody bag. This is a fumble beyond comparison.

The focus then moved onto Pierre and people got to see what a scummy, angry, insufferable bastard he was. The Conservatives should never have ran him or his brand of politics.

I'd say this election was a very strong message that they need to change course, big time.

Well yea, it wasn’t that Carney is so good and the entire party behind him is the same, it’s that the cons are morons and couldn’t capitalize on the opportunity of a lifetime.

None of that changes the fact that all the people behind Carney are exactly the same.

Canada gonna get far worse than where we’re at now.

Cons campaign, advertising, platform was a joke.

I went out to get groceries yesterday and there was the most homeless people I’d probably seen in the hood. Foreshadowing for things to come like the ghost of Liberal future

[mikemhg]

So Honda, based on that, you still wanted to support a party that incompetent, disorganized, lacking any actual sane strategy?

If they can't even win an election theirs to take, how can they be seen with confidence to run the country?

[Hondaracer]

Because as I’ve always said, everyone is incompetent and in the end the policies will likely be similar. However, the issues I was concerned about the cons were more likely to address.

My vote however is always useless as Jenny Kwan reigns supreme, career crook, liar, general POS

[JDMDreams]

Even the most hated chrystia freeland won her seat by margins

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Despite Revscene being a sausage fest, I am a woman.

Hold up, you're a gal? You must be ugly as hell

[Jason00S2000]

Twitter X

100% this.

[Traum]

The problem that has always dogged the Cons is how they can find a leader that can simultaneously unite the party while also appealing to Canadians. PP got to party leader position bcos there were too many right wing crazies that deemed a moderate conservative (such as O'Toole) was not a suitable canadiate to lead the party. They wanted an attack dog, someone that will cater to populism, or even conspiracy theories and tolerate far right ideologies. That's what it took to "unite the right". Unfortunately, that is not the path Canadian voters want.

So if the Cons elect a candidate that would be more appealing to the typical Canadian voter, he might not have enough support from within his own party, more or less like how O'Toole got ousted immediately after the federal election loss. And if they pick another polarizing leader like PP, then they can unite the right wing portion of the party, but they can't build enough voter support beyond their typical base.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I'm not going to come in here and dunk, but I said it for a while now, Pierre was a flawed a unlikable candidate. The man lost his own riding

Conservatives need to do some serious soul searching, pick a more moderate leader, and stop trying to adopt this American-style politics.

Canadians are not as ignorant as our neighbors down south.

Originally Posted by whitev70r

^ I actually don't think it went beyond PP, his messaging, and his style. They will do a review but I think it was all centred on the unlikeable figure PP. It wasn't their policies that people have issues with, we like affordability, safe streets, no tax on housing, etc. Except for straws. If they had a Mulroney like figure ... centrist but Conservative, we would have woken up to a different result.

So I kind of want Cons to be a pesky opposition to keep these things on the Liberal agenda.

[Acura604]

What are the benefits of official party status?

Money, for a start. The legislative assemblyÂ’s internal economy board sets aside funds each year to be distributed among official parties. The Legislative Assembly Act states that official parties can use those funds for research, staff salaries and other purposes the party caucus determines.

Losing official party status would cut off the party from public election financing. It would also lose access to parliamentary resources to help members conduct policy research, and they will no longer have guaranteed speaking time in the House of Commons.


But can they still operate as usual in the house?

No. Without official status, the Members of Provincial Parliament must operate as independents, which means they lose many privileges they were accustomed to in the past. The assemblyÂ’s standing orders state independent MPPs will be excluded from debates where time is supposed to be divided evenly between recognized parties. In debates without such conditions, independents may contribute if the house speaker calls on them. Participation in question period is also heavily contingent on the speaker. Independent legislators can submit requests to ask a question, and the speaker will decide whether or not to recognize that member. The standing order specifies that the speaker must make sure independent members have the same level of opportunity to participate as members of official party caucuses other than party leaders. Independents are also not entitled to reply to ministerial statements, receive copies of government notices of motion or amendments to bills and other such documents.

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by Dbone

So are the Cons going to remain being led by their little PP, or pivot so some hateful dude like Jamil Jivani.

I heard that guy held the couch down while JD Vance had his way with it.

Jamil made his bed when he talked shit about Doug Ford last night. You need Ontario to win federal elections, and beefing with Ford, not having him on your side, is not a smart political move. It’s likely the main reason why PP and the Cons came up short in Ontario.

I do think PP will stay on as leader if the Liberals form a minority government. If they get a majority, I doubt he’ll stick around. There’s no way he can justify losing a 30 point lead in Jan and handing the Libs a majority government just a few months later. It's turning out to the biggest political collapse in Canadian history.

[noclue]

NDP will once again kowtow to the liberals in exchange for some funding crumbs and a deal to not lose official party status

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Traum

right wing crazies

Under the corpo-government Liberal Orthodoxy, even answering the question "What is a woman?" is seen as being crazy. Being a "woman" in the Liberal Orthodoxy, is no more than a feeling. Challenging the idea that womanhood is MORE than just a feeling, and you're a "far right nutjob" pretty much.

The problem with Canadian politics is that the "woke mentality", which is simply the societal and cultural output created by the corpo-government Liberal Orthodoxy, borders on fanaticism.

You hear all the time from people about how MAGA is a cult and such, but that seems more and more like projection all of the time. Everything in Canada is visibily getting worse and worse, young people are more unhappy than ever, and boomers are riding off into their sunset with their golden government determined to make life for them as easy as possible off the backs of their grandkids.

Us old farts should thank our lucky stars that we grew up in the best of times in Canada, and got to experience Canadian life before everything got so, so, SO much worse.

I'm 47 on May 1st!

[JDMDreams]

Even in his final speech pp said nothing new, just slogans, everyone should be able to buy an affordable home on a safe street.

How bro how that's like saying everyone should be rich in Canada. WHAT'S YOUR GOD DAMN PLAN

[mikemhg]

If Pierre can't even win his own riding, one that he's held since 2004, in an election he was anointed to win, that is telling.

If the Cons keep Pierre as their leader then they've learned nothing from this election.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Hold up, you're a gal? You must be ugly as hell

At least she won't be forced to use the men's room in Canada now.

[unit]

Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

The family has one of their vacation properties down there. I am going to join them when they go back.



Reality check, chief:

GDP smack-down: $27.4 TRILLION (USA) vs. $2.1 TRILLION (Canada). That’s a 13× gap.

Corporate muscle: 139 U.S. firms in the Fortune Global 500; Canada limps in with 14.

Brand clout: Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Tesla… all American. Canada’s top brand barely scrapes the global top-100.

Unicorn census: USA: 653 billion-dollar startups. Canada: 21. Try not to blink or you’ll miss them.

VC firehose: $170 BILLION poured into U.S. startups last year; Canada got $6 B. That’s a near-30× funding gap.

Patent factory: U.S. inventors filed 10× more international patents than Canadians. Ideas live south of the border.

R&D horsepower: America spends 20× more on research and cranks out 5× the scientific papers.

Brain drain nightmare: Two-thirds of Canada’s best STEM grads bolt for U.S. tech hubs the moment they get their diplomas.

the majority of your genius points can be attributed in just the difference in the size of the two countries.
im sure i don't have to explain what 'per capita' means to you but i don't even know why you felt the need to type some of those.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Traum

The problem that has always dogged the Cons is how they can find a leader that can simultaneously unite the party while also appealing to Canadians. PP got to party leader position bcos there were too many right wing crazies that deemed a moderate conservative (such as O'Toole) was not a suitable canadiate to lead the party. They wanted an attack dog, someone that will cater to populism, or even conspiracy theories and tolerate far right ideologies. That's what it took to "unite the right". Unfortunately, that is not the path Canadian voters want.

The PPC is basically toast, so it looks like the did unite the right and they don't really need to bother trying to appeal to the far right any more. But in the process they've ended up woth half their party full of far right weirdos and no plan beyond whining about someone who stepped down months ago.

It'd be nice if they actually decided to be serious about things, get rid of the loonies, come up with some actual policies (maybe even without mentioning anyone else), and for the love of everything move away from Harper and the IDU, but considering their track record I doubt any of that will happen.