Huawei CFO Wanzhou Meng arrested in Vancouver, faces extradition to U.S.

[68style]

I wonder when Canada is going to stop being cute and understanding with everyone visiting our country and breaking the rules... ie: a kid in Richmond doing 180km/h in his Lamborghini... impound your car and give you a fine... driving without licenses... corruption... should start booting these people and seizing their property under that egregious proceeds of crime stuff.

Why is it only places like China and Russia are allowed to be anal fucktwats to visitors and even tourists have to walk around being afraid to sneeze but it's open season here to do whatever you want and be like "Oh sorry lol I didn't know"

I been to China several times and the most inane stuff makes you feel threatened there... sitting in a bank with Taiwanese money converting it to China money and being taken to a room for questioning over why I have that currency on me... having my laptop obviously messed with in my hotel room... being stopped by police in the countryside for BS "fines"... but no it's "Welcome to Canada what can we change for you?" when they come here. Canada should stop pretending China is a friend.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

and if he tried smuggling meth in malaysia, the noose would've already been on him

Not any longer...
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2...y-be-abolished

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by 68style

I wonder when Canada is going to stop being cute and understanding with everyone visiting our country and breaking the rules... ie: a kid in Richmond doing 180km/h in his Lamborghini... impound your car and give you a fine... driving without licenses... corruption... should start booting these people and seizing their property under that egregious proceeds of crime stuff.

Why is it only places like China and Russia are allowed to be anal fucktwats to visitors and even tourists have to walk around being afraid to sneeze but it's open season here to do whatever you want and be like "Oh sorry lol I didn't know"

I been to China several times and the most inane stuff makes you feel threatened there... sitting in a bank with Taiwanese money converting it to China money and being taken to a room for questioning over why I have that currency on me... having my laptop obviously messed with in my hotel room... being stopped by police in the countryside for BS "fines"... but no it's "Welcome to Canada what can we change for you?" when they come here. Canada should stop pretending China is a friend.

Cause we're Canada? Same reason why we don't behead captured terrorists. Just because our enemies do it, doesn't mean we have to stoop down to their level. I for one would like to continue to live in a country that doesn't detain people for political brinkmanship or use regular people as diplomatic pawns.

Oh and large countries like Russia and China could give two flying fucks about international tourism. For one, tourism makes up an infinitesimal amount of their GDP. For the other, the sheer volume of their domestic tourist numbers more than compensate for any trickle loss of foreign visitors. Canada? The way we bend over backwards to them it seems like wee really can't afford to lose such a huge foreign currency source.

btw I've been to both Russia and China. Both countries are pains in the ass to get Visas from (China less so) and both as a holdover of their Communist days, seem to want to keep tabs on all foreigners as a matter of principle. They don't have a history of open borders or freedom of internal movement that we in the West have had for hundreds of years.

[68style]

I don't want to stoop to their level either, but we should stop putting out the proverbial welcome mat and pretending that everyone has good intentions.

[Ludepower]

Originally Posted by J____

What a stupid advisory, if you don't smuggle in 200kgs of meth you won't have an issue. If you're caught with it as ANY national in China, you'll be in shit, no matter if you're Canadian, Indian, Korean, whatever. I doubt most travelers are going to be packing so much narcotics when they head over to visit.

China's rules are very clear on drug trafficking. The guy got lucky with 15 years to start, but honestly 15 years in a Chinese prison you'd probably would rather die. Drug trafficking has 0 tolerance in china, probably up there with murder. I think the guy knew the risks when he decided to take on the job.

Thanks captain obvious. Too bad this isnt about drugs but about political retaliation for arresting the generals daughter.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by 68style

I wonder when Canada is going to stop being cute and understanding with everyone visiting our country and breaking the rules... ie: a kid in Richmond doing 180km/h in his Lamborghini... impound your car and give you a fine... driving without licenses... corruption... should start booting these people and seizing their property under that egregious proceeds of crime stuff.

Why is it only places like China and Russia are allowed to be anal fucktwats to visitors and even tourists have to walk around being afraid to sneeze but it's open season here to do whatever you want and be like "Oh sorry lol I didn't know"

I been to China several times and the most inane stuff makes you feel threatened there... sitting in a bank with Taiwanese money converting it to China money and being taken to a room for questioning over why I have that currency on me... having my laptop obviously messed with in my hotel room... being stopped by police in the countryside for BS "fines"... but no it's "Welcome to Canada what can we change for you?" when they come here. Canada should stop pretending China is a friend.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Cause we're Canada? Same reason why we don't behead captured terrorists. Just because our enemies do it, doesn't mean we have to stoop down to their level. I for one would like to continue to live in a country that doesn't detain people for political brinkmanship or use regular people as diplomatic pawns.

Oh and large countries like Russia and China could give two flying fucks about international tourism. For one, tourism makes up an infinitesimal amount of their GDP. For the other, the sheer volume of their domestic tourist numbers more than compensate for any trickle loss of foreign visitors. Canada? The way we bend over backwards to them it seems like wee really can't afford to lose such a huge foreign currency source.

btw I've been to both Russia and China. Both countries are pains in the ass to get Visas from (China less so) and both as a holdover of their Communist days, seem to want to keep tabs on all foreigners as a matter of principle. They don't have a history of open borders or freedom of internal movement that we in the West have had for hundreds of years.

I been to China a lot over the past 10 years. TO me it seems ok? I never really got harass by the police or boarder guard (maybe coz I am Asian?). But I do feel a bit weird when I went back last Nov when foreigners are require to give their fingerprint when the enter China. Also more shock was that starting Jan 1 2019 to get a Visa to China you now to go to in person and have your fingerprint taken. But as far as getting my Visa. I have no issue getting my 10 year Visa. I just paid the travel agency to do it for me and got it within 2 weeks.

I think the people generally are pretty welcoming to me in China. Again maybe coz I look like a Chinese (just can't speak very well). China do like to keep tabs on everyone not just foreigners. I mean to open a cell phone, buying train tickets they need your ID (kinda of like passport for the Chinese). And since the gov have your cell phone attach to your ID, if you post anything the gov consider bad they can arrest you. For foreigners we need to give them our passport number to get a cell phone (which people should get at the airport coz normal cell phone store outside of the airport doesn't really know how to input your passport into their system). Also when booking a hotel they also require to make a photocopy of your passport. I heard nowadays foreigners can only stay at certain hotels (maybe to avoid foreigners staying a crappy cheap hotels and bring a negative image of China?).

I read somewhere online and China have this score system to determine if you are a good citizen or not. Say if your score is below 1000 that means you are a bad citizen. It will affect your in getting loads, buying train tickets, airplane tickets, buying a house, luxury cars. Some things can affect you in getting a bad scores, littering on the streets, spitting on the streets, causing public disconfort, criminal activities, etc etc basically anything bad. Things that can improve your score are stuff like doing volunteer work, donating money, pcking up wallets and returning it to the police etc etc...... Because China have so many security cameras they plan to fully implement this system by 2020.

I am going back again in Feb so we shall see how things have been since then. I don't believe it will be all that different for normal travelers. As long as you declare everything correctly and isn't bringing anything illegal you should be fine.

[Traum]

While I find the travel advisory to be laughable as well, I feel that way for an entirely different reason. As an authoritarian country that has a long standing history in lacking the rule of law, anyone with the slightest understanding about China should already know the enforcement of their local laws are completely selective and arbitrary. You can be caught doing the worst crime, but if you've got a strong enough (political) backer behind you, you are still as good as a saint. Conversely, you could have abided by every letter of the law to a tee, but as long as the CCP sees you as a threat / PITA, they can and will fabricate something to arrest you with, or worse, they'll just arrest you -- no reason needed.

I have no sympathy for the drug trafficking dude, but the problem in this case is -- the guy had already been previously sentenced to 15 years in prison. Under any civilized world with a functional legal system, the same crime cannot be prosecuted twice, or have the sentencing changed (for the worse) after the verdict has been given. And yet that is exactly what is happening in China right now because China thinks they can successfully use this as a political tactic to pressure Canada into letting Meng Wenzhou off easy.

Originally Posted by J____

What a stupid advisory, if you don't smuggle in 200kgs of meth you won't have an issue. If you're caught with it as ANY national in China, you'll be in shit, no matter if you're Canadian, Indian, Korean, whatever. I doubt most travelers are going to be packing so much narcotics when they head over to visit.

China's rules are very clear on drug trafficking. The guy got lucky with 15 years to start, but honestly 15 years in a Chinese prison you'd probably would rather die. Drug trafficking has 0 tolerance in china, probably up there with murder. I think the guy knew the risks when he decided to take on the job.

[Hehe]

As far as China law goes... let me put it this way.

There's pretty much no way to NOT break a law while you are in China because many of their laws (especially the newer ones introduced to add more suppressing power onto the society) are so broad that taken at literal value, everyone is breaking the law on a daily basis.

The reason that they do this is simple... if you behave as the gov't wants, they are all good. As soon as they feel the necessity to silence or keep you out of public, they can arrest you because... yep... you kinda broke the law (alleged at least)... and it's up to their judge to "decide" whether you can go or not.

And then they can come back and say "we are just enforcing our law".

[Badhobz]

I go to Shanghai every year to visit my fam fam and ive never gotten into any trouble or hassle. Maybe cuz im Made in China... its a bit easier and I speak the lingo. If they only knew how white I am on the inside and how many subversive thoughts I have.

[twitchyzero]

Beijing was never our friend

last time Ottawa asked for clemency, they still killed a Candian the following day

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...s-learned.html

this idiot meth smuggler caught in this political tit or tat might just live given how much international pressure is riding on the case

[Mr.HappySilp]

Meng Wanzhou: US to 'move ahead with Huawei executive extradition'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46954585

US officials have confirmed they plan to pursue the extradition of a senior Huawei executive and are expected to soon file a formal request with Canada.

Huawei chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou was arrested on 1 December in Vancouver at the request of the US.

China has accused both the US and Canada of "arbitrarily abusing" their extradition treaty in this case.

The US has 60 days to file a formal demand for extradition, a deadline that will be reached 30 January.

The Department of Justice has said in a statement it will meet all deadlines set by the Canada-US agreement.

"We greatly appreciate Canada's continuing support in our mutual efforts to enforce the rule of law," the agency said.

On Tuesday, Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland told Bloomberg TV that Ottawa has not asked the US to abandon its bid to have Ms Meng sent to the US.

Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying has urged American officials to withdraw the arrest order for Ms Meng and refrain from moving ahead with the extradition request.

Ms Meng's case has led to rising diplomatic tensions between Canada and China, and Canadian officials have been seeking international support in the spat with the Asian superpower.

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On Monday, 140 western academics and diplomats sent an open letter to Chinese President Xi Jinping pleading the case of two Canadians, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, both suspected of spying, and calling for their release.

Mr Kovrig, a former Canadian diplomat, and Mr Spavor, a businessman, were both detained in China shortly after Ms Meng's December arrest.

A number of China analysts believe that the two men's arrests were a tit-for-tat response to her detention, which Chinese officials have denied.

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Ms Meng was released on bail by a Canadian court last month.

The US accuses the tech executive of using a Huawei subsidiary called Skycom to evade sanctions on Iran between 2009 and 2014. Both she and Huawei deny those allegations.

The case comes amid growing scrutiny in Western countries over Huawei.

Concern about the security of the company's technology has been growing, particularly in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and Germany, which fear its products could be used for spying.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Huawei chairman Liang Hua warned his company could shift away from the US and the UK if it continues to face restrictions.

The US has banned the company from bidding for government contracts, and British firm BT recently confirmed that Huawei equipment was being removed from a communication system being developed for the UK's emergency services.

Huawei has always maintained that it is a private company, owned by its employees, with no ties to the Chinese government.

Also it looks like China have also shift from just attacking Canada to attacking US as well. Wonder if they are going to start to "Jail" US citizen in China or any US citizen traveling to China will get jail as well?

[twitchyzero]

i hope this gets tied up sooner than later
the protection on Meng is $$$

[Traum]

Protection on Meng? What protection on Meng? She is paying for the monitoring herself.

On a different note, I find China's temper tantrums to be extremely amusing. Lambasting Canada for human rights violation on Meng? abusing the rule of law when we hand Meng over to a country we have signed a bilateral extradition treaty with? Urging the US to give up on requesting for extradition?

I really want to understand how people in the Chinese gov think.

[Teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Traum

Protection on Meng? What protection on Meng? She is paying for the monitoring herself.

On a different note, I find China's temper tantrums to be extremely amusing. Lambasting Canada for human rights violation on Meng? abusing the rule of law when we hand Meng over to a country we have signed a bilateral extradition treaty with? Urging the US to give up on requesting for extradition?

I really want to understand how people in the Chinese gov think.

Its getting really tiring how hypocritical these regimes are getting, yes that includes some of the friendlier ones like the US. The goalposts keep getting pushed out and the rhetoric continues to head towards a "us vs them" mentality that its just become so....

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Traum

Protection on Meng? What protection on Meng? She is paying for the monitoring herself.

source?

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

source?

From https://globalnews.ca/news/4757237/m...zhou-security/

She will also be directly supervised by a private security company, Lions Gate Risk Management. Meng must pay the costs of that supervision out of pocket, something Nick Casale, a former NYPD officer who wrote and enforced the bail modification agreement for Madoff, said will get expensive.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Gumby

From https://globalnews.ca/news/4757237/m...zhou-security/

She will also be directly supervised by a private security company, Lions Gate Risk Management. Meng must pay the costs of that supervision out of pocket, something Nick Casale, a former NYPD officer who wrote and enforced the bail modification agreement for Madoff, said will get expensive.

For Meng is just pocket change. I do wonder though since she is under supervision do we also monitor her internet usage(which site she visited or what she does online), check the emails she is getting and sending and checking her phone calls and message (what's app, wehcat calls etc etc).

Also what will happen if somehow she escape to China now?

[Ferra]

Originally Posted by Traum

Protection on Meng? What protection on Meng? She is paying for the monitoring herself.

On a different note, I find China's temper tantrums to be extremely amusing. Lambasting Canada for human rights violation on Meng? abusing the rule of law when we hand Meng over to a country we have signed a bilateral extradition treaty with? Urging the US to give up on requesting for extradition?

I really want to understand how people in the Chinese gov think.

They probably think everything is a power & political move

laws and rules are just make up bullshits...everything is about furthering one's self-interest...so laws can be toasted aside when the right price is paid..etc

[jackmeister]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

For Meng is just pocket change. I do wonder though since she is under supervision do we also monitor her internet usage(which site she visited or what she does online), check the emails she is getting and sending and checking her phone calls and message (what's app, wehcat calls etc etc).

Also what will happen if somehow she escape to China now?

shes not going anywhere until that hearing. the security company and its owner is personally responsible.

why do people keep beating the dead horse on this?

[twitchyzero]

safe to say relations will continue to deteriorate before it gets better?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mcca...rray-1.4270477

[Traum]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

safe to say relations will continue to deteriorate before it gets better?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mcca...rray-1.4270477

If you ask me, McCallum was an idiot and a sell out. I do not disagree with his comments that it would be "great for Canada" if the United States dropped its extradition request for Meng Wanzhou because that is the easy button. But when he was in the position that he was in (ambassador to China), that is something he should never have said.

For a country such as Canada, no amount of "playing nice" with China will be enough to please them. If you try and appease them, they will step forward to actively bully and take advantage of you. If you play a hard hawkish line, you'll draw their ire and thuggish threats. At the end of the day, the current Mainland China is just an international thug. Canada is far better off sticking to its principles and end up wherever that takes us.

If there is something in the future that China needs from Canada, they'll come back smiling and acting nice.

[originalhypa]

Someone tell China that their words hurt.

China’s state-run Global Times responded to the news with a blistering op-ed on Sunday, in which the unnamed author compared Ottawa to a “frightened bird,” and used a vulgar folk saying to describe Canada’s allegedly immoral actions.

“You cannot live the life of a whore and expect a monument to your chastity,” the unnamed author of the op-ed wrote.

I have to give the Chinese credit, they spit some serious game.
I would have never thought to have called anyone a frightened bird. Time to add that one to the list

[Spoon]

Link to the Chinese article? I want to know what those Chinese phrases are LOL

[yray]

can someone just reply back and tell them to "stop bickering like a c-lai"

maybe we can send the East 1st ave beast guy to go to china to beat the shit out of them.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Spoon

Link to the Chinese article? I want to know what those Chinese phrases are LOL

The saying is probably something like:

- 又要做妓女，又要立貞節牌坊 or
- 既想當婊子，又要立牌坊