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on Global last night they had some fucking "Chinese Richmond business society" with some fob's at a desk saying 'we would like gov general to release her as she is very important business"
lol like fuck do you understand even the basics of the circumstances of her arrest?
I read somewhere.. i think on the scmp, that she actually has canadian pr status.. or could be a citizen but a non resident.
so ... whatever case may be.. if shes gotta follow fucking law, not chinese law... so if shes canadian, she's in the hands of hte judicial system as a canadian as well
HK definitely doesn't allow someone to have 3 valid passports at once. Most likely they were carrying old (or cancelled passports) that still had valid visas on them (eg. USA issues 10 year visa on passport with 3 years left, but they won't move it to the new passport)
China, on the other hand, many business people have 2 passports, one for business travel and one for personal travel. The business passport is usually held by the company and used for business travel only. For some senior executives (manager/director/c-suite level), their personal passports are also held at the company.
but it essentially says that the newspaper (Apple Daily) did some digging, and they found that according to court records, Meng's HK passport #2 was used to travel from HKG -> YVR -> Mexico, but (HK) passport #3 is actually the most recent one. This means (HK) passport #2 and #3 are simultaneously valid -- an impossibility under normal circumstances. Clearly, the Hong Kong gov / immigration depart has some explanation to do.
Additionally, all 3 HK passports show the exact same travel records (33 times) to the US during the 2014-06-14 to 2017-03-02 period. Again, that doesn't make sense under normal circumstances.
Apple Daily's news reporting is sometimes exaggerated, or could even be dead wrong. But we will see.
Whose jurisdiction would any part of YVR be under other than Canada's?
I don’t really know how this holds in a court of law, but the second you pass through US customs you are now on US soil, until you come back through Canadian customs. The US is only country in the world to have this setup. I’m just super happy Starbucks on the transborder side of security doesn’t charge via US dollar.
I don’t really know how this holds in a court of law, but the second you pass through US customs you are now on US soil, until you come back through Canadian customs. The US is only country in the world to have this setup. I’m just super happy Starbucks on the transborder side of security doesn’t charge via US dollar.
They do something similar in HK at the new high speed rail station. That spot is essentially mainland China. It was pretty controversial when it happened, but then there's nothing anyone can do about it, so...
I think the setup at YVR is probably more of a matter of convenience and mutual respect of both countries. If countries wanted them to be gone, they'd be gone
They do something similar in HK at the new high speed rail station. That spot is essentially mainland China. It was pretty controversial when it happened, but then there's nothing anyone can do about it, so...
I think the setup at YVR is probably more of a matter of convenience and mutual respect of both countries. If countries wanted them to be gone, they'd be gone
Edit: I stand corrected. See reply in post below.
It’s not just YVR. Any international airport which flies direct to the USA has the same setup. Very unique. American border guards in other countries, prescreening people before they technically leave the country.
I don’t think this has any relevance to the Huawei case (I haven’t even read an article) but just an example of how the USA has grounds in other countries.
Every airport in europe that has a gate that flies directly into the US has its own gaurds and security clearance passed the airports own as far as ive seen
So you go through the initial screens, baggage check, empty your pockets etc.
and THEN before you board the plane youre taking off your shoes, belts, etc. and having a secondary search by american authorities at the gate of departure
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It’s not just YVR. Any international airport which flies direct to the USA has the same setup. Very unique. American border guards in other countries, prescreening people before they technically leave the country.
I don’t think this has any relevance to the Huawei case (I haven’t even read an article) but just an example of how the USA has grounds in other countries.
From what I can recall, I've never seen special US immigration setups at any airports in Asia
I flew Delta from HKG and they had increased security measures, but it was just airline staff doing it
But yeah, nothing to do with this case. And anyway just because US places staff in other airports, doesn't necessarily mean they have the jurisdiction to apprehend passengers and take them to the US.
It’s not just YVR. Any international airport which flies direct to the USA has the same setup. Very unique. American border guards in other countries, prescreening people before they technically leave the country.
No No No NO.
Only certain airports have US border preclearance. They are located entirely in these countries (for now):
Canada, Bermuda, The Bahamas, Aruba, Ireland, and the United Arab Emirates. Even then only SOME airports have this. Those that don't require you to clear immigration /customs after you arrive in the US.
I don’t think this has any relevance to the Huawei case (I haven’t even read an article) but just an example of how the USA has grounds in other countries.
Yes Yes Yes YES.
She was flying from China to Mexico via YVR, why would the US authorities be involved?
I am actually enjoying watching the execs and high level Chinese folks squirm. Do they actually believe their own words?
They need the Air B&B lady from North Van to defend them. She's a great liar!
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wow thank goodness she didn't become mayor of Richmond
Hey, this is a serious thread treat it with some respect.
And please don't fail me again. I fear that my fragile ego cannot take another lashing from your mighty keyboard.
Every airport in europe that has a gate that flies directly into the US has its own gaurds and security clearance passed the airports own as far as ive seen
So you go through the initial screens, baggage check, empty your pockets etc.
and THEN before you board the plane youre taking off your shoes, belts, etc. and having a secondary search by american authorities at the gate of departure
The annoying part is if you buy a drink after the regular security, you're not allowed to bring it through the US security. So every time I've gone through people in line end up chugging whatever they just bought. If you fly late enough though it's closed and you just clear when you land in the US. It's nice because you can buy stuff before your flight but it sucks because the agents in the actual US seem a lot more overzealous than the ones in Canada.
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No No No NO.
Only certain airports have US border preclearance. They are located entirely in these countries (for now):
Vancouver has it, but Kelowna doesn't. I assume the amount of traffic has to be high enough to justify setting it all up.
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on the flipside, the decent food options can be before the checkpoints, and there might be a vending machine or a news stand that wants 6 USD for a iced coffee closer to the gate
The annoying part is if you buy a drink after the regular security, you're not allowed to bring it through the US security. So every time I've gone through people in line end up chugging whatever they just bought. If you fly late enough though it's closed and you just clear when you land in the US. It's nice because you can buy stuff before your flight but it sucks because the agents in the actual US seem a lot more overzealous than the ones in Canada.
Vancouver has it, but Kelowna doesn't. I assume the amount of traffic has to be high enough to justify setting it all up.
Not sure how you can go from int'l departure to US part?
I've done my share of flights from YVR into US, and except a few flights exercising 5th freedom (Philippine Airline and Cathay I think), and flights that leave after the pre-clearance closes, they are two separate areas.
So, I don't think there's a way to get drinks post-security and THEN go into the US pre-clearance area.
In any case, I'm not sure why anyone is discussing the jurisdiction question. Canada clearly had THE jurisdiction power. Even when shit happens IN the US section, a Canadian officer would be summoned to take care of the issue.
What happened, in this case, was that Meng was transferring in YVR, once she landed on CDN soil, she's within the jurisdiction of Canada even if she stays airside (not clearing CDN immigration... which I don't think that's possible even one's only transferring airside). Canada took on the arrest request by US (which we have obligation due to our agreement with US) and she's now going through our judicial system to fulfill the due process before an extradition to US can legally happen. It's not the first time it happened (as in arrest request) from the info I've been reading... it's just the first time on a person with such a status to raise attention.
For a person to not be subject to CDN jurisdiction once he/she lands on CDN soil, such person needs to have diplomatic immunity. Even then, it's something that needs to be approved prior of arrival as the law dictating diplomatic immunity is quite complex.
1) Meng gets arrested in Canada.
2) Someone attempts to break into "her home" in Vancouver.
The timing of the events are just far too coincidental to me.
The address of that house was reported in the news before the break in. I would blame that news article publicizing hey look, this house is empty and belongs to a really rich person.
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What happened, in this case, was that Meng was transferring in YVR, once she landed on CDN soil, she's within the jurisdiction of Canada even if she stays airside (not clearing CDN immigration... which I don't think that's possible even one's only transferring airside). Canada took on the arrest request by US (which we have obligation due to our agreement with US) and she's now going through our judicial system to fulfill the due process before an extradition to US can legally happen. It's not the first time it happened (as in arrest request) from the info I've been reading... it's just the first time on a person with such a status to raise attention.
Even just going through the due process can take a significant amount of time. If I am not mistaken, right now they are just duking it out at the court for the bail hearing. Assuming that the bail request fails -- which I expect to be the normal course of action given the gravity of the case and her flight risks -- the Meng side will appeal the ruling. Then even if they lose that, the next court case will be on whether Meng can be extradited to the US. If the Meng side loses again, they will appeal again.
I dunno how long this ordeal will drag out for, but it'd have to take at least a few years? If each court case takes a year to resolve (which would seem fast), that's already 4 years of detention right there.
We know what’s actually going to happen though.
Bail granted
Goes back to China
Everyone forgets
Rich people keep being rich and above the law
You know, I am really quite worried that's how this one is going to pan out. Esp with the bail hearing and her request citing poor health and medical reasons, the leftard parts of Canada might actually be stupid enough to allow this to happen.
You know, I am really quite worried that's how this one is going to pan out. Esp with the bail hearing and her request citing poor health and medical reasons, the leftard parts of Canada might actually be stupid enough to allow this to happen.
Yes, an inadequate justice system is surely the product of just one side of the political spectrum.
So, I don't think there's a way to get drinks post-security and THEN go into the US pre-clearance area.
That's what I'm saying, most people don't realize the US clearance is like going through the main security all over again. Maybe it's better now but it would've been nice if someone along the line gave people a heads up not to buy anything in the regular departures area because you'll have to toss it when you get to pre-clearance.
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