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I was in Shenzhen earlier this year and they have a full fleet of those BYD EVs as taxis. They incentivize people to take it by making it cheaper by a few Rmb. I guess that's one way to get field data for your products.
Tons of companies with EV prototypes. Most of them are vaporware. Not Chinese but for me, the most interesting is the Rivian pickup truck.
actually, except the Byton, those are production models which can be bought in China
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sure, if you don't mind getting a timed bomb car
Chinese timed bomb battery was a funny joke maybe 5 years ago? With so much money they have, these Chinese companies keep buying western technology. It would safe to say they are not the best, but at least they are catching up at a very quick pace.
I was recently in China and I was in China made Toyotas and a Trumpchi. I'm honestly surprised by the level of improvement that they now have. If you rebadged the Trumpchi you would have no idea it was a Chinese car. Sorta like a newer Tsx, quiet and refined, sure has a nicer interior than new corollas and rav 4s that I've had for courtesy cars.
With so many car makers in China, there are always cheap brands will always cut corners and make dirty cheap/unsafe cars for the mass market. There are some best selling Chinese cars that are decent to compete with, let's say Chevy Sonic or Trax market.
They get technology from partnering with western car markers, but overall design and marketing still needs massive improvement!
actually, except the Byton, those are production models which can be bought in China
Chinese timed bomb battery was a funny joke maybe 5 years ago? With so much money they have, these Chinese companies keep buying western technology. It would safe to say they are not the best, but at least they are catching up at a very quick pace.
Yep, outdated Western perception. We are the one who are living under a rock.
Nobody is saying Chinese can't make good quality batteries or vehicles or anything else. They have the capability of making vehicles as well engineered as Japanese or German.
The thing is, they don't have the incentive to do so with their domestic products. 5 years ago, 10 years ago, today.
Now that may change 10 years from now, who knows what China is going to be like in a decade. And certainly when they have to build something to high standards, they can. And they constantly do with many types products today. You can get a really good TV or mobile phone (or anything really) made in China, or you can get a shitty one made in China, possibly even in the same factory.
I don't live in China, but it is strange to see how their people jump into new tech all in a sudden. You always see poor quality new products coming out. They don't have some well known large corporation that produce good quality stuff (like Apple, Philips, GE, Sony, Samsung, Panasonic), Xiaomi is considered somewhat better made products, but in general people still don't trust Chinese made goods.
Like 3-5 years ago, when most people are still using the spiral shape light bulbs, China is flooded with LED bulbs that don't last for half a year. Smart TV too, Android system in almost every TV, but their UI were so poorly designed and no frequent update. Chinese cell phone market and EV market are full of surprises. You will soon see PC SSD / Ram coming from China pretty soon will compete the low end market.
That's all domestic products though... they just ship out garbage to their own people, since they figure most of them don't know any better, or care. I definitely see that, as I see people using absolute shit TVs, but don't care just because they have big screens and are cheap.
All those brands you listed that have a reputation for making high quality products, have them made in China. Very likely at the same places the cheap crap comes from
off the top of my head, Xiaomi and DJI are the only Chinese brands that I trust and respect
big fat nope to Lenovo and Huawei
i think i'll always have some sorta bias when it comes to Chinese brands esp food products or safety components my life depends on (tires, brakes, climbing harness, fire extinguishers, etc.)
then again i have been having lotsa lao gan ma lately and everyday my robovac that runs is from a Shenzhen-based company
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Japanese and Korean are opposite, all the great stuff keep in their own place, cheap garbage models are made in China and shipped to the rest of the world.
Foreign electronics get taxed in China, you see why Trumps are mad about it. Either very cheaply made products or very pricey foreign products (ex: Tesla, Apple), you can hardly find decent domestic designed and made products, that's how Xiaomi and Miniso becomes so popular in China.
the Nio es8 and BYD Tang are very good cars. Tang is probably the fastest SUV I've been in, it's literally supercar performance off the line. Honestly a joke is a joke but if you guys actually got the chance to sit and drive either of these 2 EVs, you'd be pretty disappointed in most of the cars you can buy in Canada. Nio also produce the fastest EV around the ring in the world, and has a formula E team. And no battery explosions are not an issue. Over the almost half million EVs BYD's sold in the last few years not a single battery exploding or even getting close to exploding issue. Tesla's batteries would be closer to exploding than a BYDs. Chinese tech in automobiles at this point is way beyond what Canada can produce in terms of safety, performance, and value.
^While I'm not going to argue about EV battery life lmao if you think China can/is producing beyond Canada's standards in safety. That would be my main motivating factor not to purchase a Chinese car for a very long time. I like my seat completely breaking loose in an impact or my frame rails completely collapsing.
This is a 2 year old video, not something from a decade ago.
That car in the video is pretty old. Even if it's 2 years old, tech and manufacturing advances super fast in China. If you look at cars china produced 10 years ago vs today, they would seem like they're 30 years apart. The chinese learned everything from joint ventures with german and japanese automakers as a requirement for them to sell cars in China, they pretty much learned 30 years of car building in 10 years.
Not a video, but a crash test rating from Lynk & Co, Geely's sub brand aimed to enter euro markets next year. After buying Volvo, all of Geely's cars are pretty much rebadged Volvos, which are very safe. BYD and Nio aren't going international yet so that's why it's hard to find a crash test for them atm. https://www.wautom.com/2018/08/lynk-...ap-crash-test/
I read the link and appreciate you posting it. Seeing as C-NCAP is the Chinese rating system and not North America's i'm still skeptical. Once those cars are actually tested by North America's standards and get those same ratings i'll believe it.
I read the link and appreciate you posting it. Seeing as C-NCAP is the Chinese rating system and not North America's i'm still skeptical. Once those cars are actually tested by North America's standards and get those same ratings i'll believe it.
I understand your skepticism. Not sure about NA but Cncap is based off the european safety standards and regulated very strictly as it's a first basis for chinese brands wanting to go international, which for this brand Geely plans to do very quickly. The whole chassis and structure is literally the same as a volvo xc40 which I'd imagine is very safe. If the car's superb Cncap rating doesn't meet international standards when it gets tested to those specs, Geely will remake the car to meet those standards because they've already spent so much money on pushing this brand international.
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The only Chinese vehicle I could find on non-chinese source.
In other news, Tesla is expected to open a gigafactory in China.
Yes Greatwall is a POS chinese brand and should be avoided at all costs. But to be fair, the truck market in China is non existent. Only brands that are making pickups are for urban laborers which I doubt the chinese car brands are too worried about imposing safety on (which is wrong btw).
Only chinese brand atm that's reliable is Geely, BYD is ok but has very questionable management, and NIO is so new and unorganized, I'd like to see how long they last.
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