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03-16-2019, 02:59 PM
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03-16-2019, 03:50 PM
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My favourite car at work back a few years was a 2012 Camry SE V6 with the sport ninja star wheels, looks are subjective but I thought it looked great, massive power, quick steering and handling was good, great brake feel... that thing just ripped, absolutely embarrassed some same year BMW 5-Series in stoplight drags what a fun sedan to drive, not being the slightest bit facetious either it really was a great car!
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03-16-2019, 05:42 PM
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After being dirty for soooo long, I finally rinsed off all the winter crap and the car went from pink to red again.
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03-16-2019, 08:28 PM
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When I first picked it up from the dealer last year
Such a cushy ride haha.
And what I'm hoping to do in the future if budget and time permits. Unless a certain police department thinks it's not suitable for the road compared to the rust bucket CRV that was on CL a while back lol
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03-16-2019, 08:58 PM
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#256 | Need my Daily Fix of RS
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD I also recently swapped into something a lot cushier for work.
Totally get it now - pretty relaxing feeling hopping in and across the bridge with adaptive cruise after a long day.
Pros: - Comfort: Ride quality is really cushy. Great visibility with the wing mirrors and sloped down windows
- Drive: Controls (brake, steering) have natural feeling weight, and it now takes a corner with some liveliness! There's definitely some directness and connectedness - doesn't feel a sloppy couch that's rolling over itself like past Camrys.
- Electronics: Headlights are fuck you bright, 2019 has Carplay.
Cons: - Powertrain: The 8 speed is quite jerky especially when cold.
- Interior has some weird cost cutting tradeoffs as well (full auto up-down windows, but no heated mirrors until XLE trim, no trunk closing handle, etc.)
Quite like they've done with the new gen Camry. Would want to drive a 10G Accord and 2.5T Mazda 6 to see how it compares. |
Congratz on the new purchase! How's the 8 speed auto on your new Camry? I heard people are having problems with it, like it being super jerky almost like a DCT at low speed and gear hunting at hwy speed. Have you driven the 2015 to 2017 Camry? How does it compare?
New accord is nice too, but it has a 1.5 turbo with CVT, scared of long term reliability.
Mazda 6 has nice interior and exterior with the 6 speed auto, but long term reliability hasn't been proven, plus you just don't see them on the road, imagine when your car breaks down and you need parts for repair.
So now from a reliability standpoint, the newest car with the most reliable drivetrain is the 2017 Camry which I have been hunting down, tried and true 2.5L port injection engine with 6 speed auto, and also no toyota safety sense. I really hate those.
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03-16-2019, 09:18 PM
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#257 | My dinner reheated before my turbo spooled
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Originally Posted by anxiety Congratz on the new purchase! How's the 8 speed auto on your new Camry? I heard people are having problems with it, like it being super jerky almost like a DCT at low speed and gear hunting at hwy speed. Have you driven the 2015 to 2017 Camry? How does it compare? | Rolling up to a roundabout or right turn usually guarantees a jerky downshift. Manual mode downshifts are quite quick when the transmission is warm but slow and jerky for first 5-10 minutes of driving.
Haven't noticed gear hunting, seems to have adapted to my driving style fairly well.
I have driven a 2015 XSE V6 - the 2019 LE rides and changes direction a lot better.
I can understand the hesitation towards TSS. Definitely took me a while to get used to. Can also turn it off if you really want... I guess the real downside is windshield replacement costs.
I've found TSS fairly easy to override (i.e. if you stay on the gas while it gives you pre collision warning, it will continue to accelerate). Definitely saved my ass a couple times.
Toyota's adaptive cruise programming isn't the greatest (i.e. sometimes accelerates despite a large steering angle) but makes interstate trips fairly mindless.
RE: Accord, 1.5T seems to be having fuel dilution issues in other models
RE: Mazda 6, Skyactive + 6AT seems to have been reliable since launch. Drove a 2017 model in the past but not too impressed by road noise and ride quality. Need to drive the 2019 model which is supposed to address those concerns.
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03-16-2019, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD Rolling up to a roundabout or right turn usually guarantees a jerky downshift. Manual mode downshifts are quite quick when the transmission is warm but slow and jerky for first 5-10 minutes of driving.
Haven't noticed gear hunting, seems to have adapted to my driving style fairly well.
I have driven a 2015 XSE V6 - the 2019 LE rides and changes direction a lot better.
I can understand the hesitation towards TSS. Definitely took me a while to get used to. Can also turn it off if you really want... I guess the real downside is windshield replacement costs.
I've found TSS fairly easy to override (i.e. if you stay on the gas while it gives you pre collision warning, it will continue to accelerate). Definitely saved my ass a couple times.
Toyota's adaptive cruise programming isn't the greatest (i.e. sometimes accelerates despite a large steering angle) but makes interstate trips fairly mindless.
RE: Accord, 1.5T seems to be having fuel dilution issues in other models
RE: Mazda 6, Skyactive + 6AT seems to have been reliable since launch. Drove a 2017 model in the past but not too impressed by road noise and ride quality. Need to drive the 2019 model which is supposed to address those concerns. |
I bet the handling and steering are improved for the new gen Camry for sure.
The 2017 Camry'a handling feels acceptable to me, but steering is definitely very numb and light, but it's good for daily driving for sure.
Biggest shock to me is, the 2017 LE feels so smooth, so quiet but the ride is super soft, going over a bump or road imperfections feels so damn soft and floaty. Then I tried the SE, which is the extreme opposite, like there is no in between between their luxury and sport trims. The ride felt so hard and harsh, just crashing over bumps.
I have only taken a super short test drive on the 18 or the 19 Camry, but felt the transmission shifted weird, maybe rough and jerky like you said.
Haven't done research on TSS, but I know there are quite a few videos showing Honda's pre-collision braking false braking, like the car in front of you takes a right turn, you had a good following distance to the car in front of you, but system reacts incorrectly and brakes the car so hard. Just imagine the tailgater rear-ending you. I'd rather trust my right foot and my judgement.
And there's another instance where there is no center divider between opposing traffic, someone said the opposing traffic came into his lane, and he tried to steer quickly without signal to avoid collision, but the system fights the driver's steering like it's designed to do. Imagine losing your life over a head on collision because of a safety technology intervened your quick lane change.
I thought part of TSS is also embedded in the toyota emblem on the front of the car? The 2017 has the ACC in the front emblem.
Just like you said, don't break your front bumpers or front windshield. Or wait 10 plus years, and see how much those stuff cost to fix when they break, I bet very expensive which is another reason these things suck, work great when they work when new, but costly to fix.
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03-16-2019, 11:25 PM
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#260 | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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unless you don't mind having or expecting those Safety system malfunctions as they roll out (usually the fail-safe is a disabled system anyway), it might be a good idea to wait a little bit as the wrinkles are ironed out. We had a large wave of reprograms/replacements at Nissan just a little while back, and still are doing them.
Another thing to note, is the immense sensitivity of the front radar distance sensors. If it's been hit by the collision or dropped, it's NG and about a grand for a new one. And be wary of body shops not replacing the sensors, or reusing bent brackets.
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03-17-2019, 12:08 PM
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#261 | My dinner reheated before my turbo spooled
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Originally Posted by anxiety I bet the handling and steering are improved for the new gen Camry for sure.
The 2017 Camry'a handling feels acceptable to me, but steering is definitely very numb and light
Then I tried the SE, which is the extreme opposite, like there is no in between between their luxury and sport trims. The ride felt so hard and harsh, just crashing over bumps.
I have only taken a super short test drive on the 18 or the 19 Camry, but felt the transmission shifted weird, maybe rough and jerky like you said.
I thought part of TSS is also embedded in the toyota emblem on the front of the car? The 2017 has the ACC in the front emblem. | RE: Steering, the 2019 has appropriate weight buildup when at speed so it doesn't feel twitchy on highways unlike previous Toyota models (but not the "we're adding weight cuz it's sporty" kind of weight). Definitely feels like it's connected to 'something' and it's quite precise - haven't noticed a center deadzone
RE: Ride, yes the previous platform sport models were overdamped, undersprung, and uncomfortable. The TGNA cars imo have very good ride handling balance.
RE: Transmission, they take about 10 minutes of driving to warm up and not shift weird. After those 10 mins, shifts become much quicker and smoother. I wouldn't call it an issue but the programming is definitely really unrefined. I can see why Mazda stuck with their 6 speed... no long wait for downshift and the 2.5T has a lot of torque.
Toyota could definitely learn a trick or two from BMW, who uses the same Aisin 8 speed in X1/Mini models but have added launch control, anti-lag farts on upshifts, and consistently smooth downshifts on braking/no throttle.
RE: TSS, I've daily'd the RAV4, Corolla, and Camry with AEB set to High on all. Haven't noticed any weird braking triggers despite driving aggressively (unlike FCA and VW systems). Toyota system's steering assist is also weaker since it's a 'reactive' system as opposed to Honda's 'active' system. It's built into the badge only on some older models, but also relies on camera array on windshield for auto high beam and lane departure assist.
Though this one was courtesy of work, if I were spending my own money I'd probably go with XLE/XSE trims to get full speed adaptive cruise, would be really helpful on the bridge lineups. Quote:
Originally Posted by Badhobz There's a lot of recalls happening at toyota about their CVT trannies. | RE: Badhobz quote about CVT, yeah there definitely seem to be recalls. At the risk of sounding defensive, despite the large volume of Corolla CVTs running out there, there seem to be more forum posts about the recall than actual failures... recall might be more on the preventative side of things (unlike some of the Nissans ConeZONE works on..)
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03-17-2019, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD RE: Transmission, they take about 10 minutes of driving to warm up and not shift weird. After those 10 mins, shifts become much quicker and smoother. I wouldn't call it an issue but the programming is definitely really unrefined. I can see why Mazda stuck with their 6 speed... no long wait for downshift and the 2.5T has a lot of torque.
Toyota could definitely learn a trick or two from BMW, who uses the same Aisin 8 speed in X1/Mini models but have added launch control, anti-lag farts on upshifts, and consistently smooth downshifts on braking/no throttle.
RE: TSS, I've daily'd the RAV4, Corolla, and Camry with AEB set to High on all. Haven't noticed any weird braking triggers despite driving aggressively (unlike FCA and VW systems). Toyota system's steering assist is also weaker since it's a 'reactive' system as opposed to Honda's 'active' system. It's built into the badge only on some older models, but also relies on camera array on windshield for auto high beam and lane departure assist. | Don't know if it's the same 8spd Aisin for the IS200t/300. Haven't noticed the trans shift jerky when cold as it's always smooth, but there are times when it's super jerky during downshifts. I think the mechanicals itself are fine, but Toyota really needs to get their TCU tuning sorted out, in conjunction with its throttle mapping. It's always super slow to respond to downshifts even when I nail the throttle in sport mode. This is even after JB4 base map as well. It's a stark reminder that the motor/trans is ultimately tuned for maximum efficiency. I'm sure the JB4 pedalbox could help but meh.
I would assume Lexus uses the same/similar version of TSS, but I've found it mostly flawless in the 6mons or so I've had the car. Adaptive cruise is also great. Don't know if TSS is further refined on the Lexus vehicles vs Toyotas. I've never experienced the autobrake function (gf has and saved her once), but collision warning false alarms are few and far between, vs the old Mercedes collision system which was terrible in the B250.
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