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Jmac 05-08-2019 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by snowfarmer (Post 8947249)
When the NDP was last voted out of power in 2001, following a stunning trail of scandals, the issue that galvanized public opinion against them was speed cameras. The Liberals made it one of the key promises of their campaign that they would eliminate the speed camera vans as soon as they were elected, a promise they kept. And voila, 16 years in power for the provincial liberals!

Now keep in mind that I'm not a highly paid professional political strategist but if I were advising the provincial Liberal party, I'd suggest they just got handed a winning issue. Even better, the NDP have done this early enough in their term for it to really piss off a lot of people in the lower mainland.

Anyone thinking that the limit is going to be set a reasonable amount above the speed limit is dreaming. Witness what's been done recently, roads on which speed limits had been increased have had their speed limits decreased again, when the data showed that the vast majority of accidents on those roads were for factors other than speed.
The three sections on my commute were lowered even though they had all been upgraded with meridian barriers and had intersections removed AFTER the speed limit had been increased several years ago.

So, it was safer than it was when the speed limit was originally increased, but they decreased it again anyways.

snowball 05-08-2019 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by snowfarmer (Post 8947249)
When the NDP was last voted out of power in 2001, following a stunning trail of scandals, the issue that galvanized public opinion against them was speed cameras. The Liberals made it one of the key promises of their campaign that they would eliminate the speed camera vans as soon as they were elected, a promise they kept. And voila, 16 years in power for the provincial liberals!

Now keep in mind that I'm not a highly paid professional political strategist but if I were advising the provincial Liberal party, I'd suggest they just got handed a winning issue. Even better, the NDP have done this early enough in their term for it to really piss off a lot of people in the lower mainland.

Anyone thinking that the limit is going to be set a reasonable amount above the speed limit is dreaming. Witness what's been done recently, roads on which speed limits had been increased have had their speed limits decreased again, when the data showed that the vast majority of accidents on those roads were for factors other than speed.
winning issue? liberals fucced icbc and crusty clark hates public education and loves foreign investors, i dont think liberals will win a majority next election.

Traum 05-08-2019 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by snowball (Post 8947278)
winning issue? liberals fucced icbc and crusty clark hates public education and loves foreign investors, i dont think liberals will win a majority next election.
There have been political analysis suggesting that Horgan would like to call an election early, and with good reason. The Liberals' Wilkinson is as detached from reality a leader as the NDP can hope, and while the public is starting to get pissed off by high gas prices as well as losing patience with the repeated ICBC rate hikes (never mind that the ICBC fee structure so far is still largely a Liberals legacy), the voting public still remembers enough of the shxt that the Liberals have brought us.

snowfarmer 05-09-2019 05:16 AM
Agreed, I'm no Liberal party fan-boy, it's infuriating that they treated ICBC's coffers (of OUR money) as a general revenue piggy bank for years when ICBC was doing well. All I'm saying is that the NDP have handed them an easy campaign message. Saying "We'll get rid of speed cameras!" is NOT a policy platform on which anyone can run a government, but it's a message that would appeal to the angry masses during an election cycle. Vancouver is a fairly "green" city but people seem pretty pissed off about some non-green things right now (gas prices etc.)

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Originally Posted by snowball (Post 8947278)
winning issue? liberals fucced icbc and crusty clark hates public education and loves foreign investors, i dont think liberals will win a majority next election.

meme405 05-09-2019 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8947284)
There have been political analysis suggesting that Horgan would like to call an election early, and with good reason. The Liberals' Wilkinson is as detached from reality a leader as the NDP can hope, and while the public is starting to get pissed off by high gas prices as well as losing patience with the repeated ICBC rate hikes (never mind that the ICBC fee structure so far is still largely a Liberals legacy), the voting public still remembers enough of the shxt that the Liberals have brought us.
The problem you have is regardless of what the liberals did, the liberals have a better track record of financial stability and awareness than the NDP.

Just look at what the NDP is doing with budgets right now, they aren't reducing costs, but they are incurring more debt to pay for the money they are spending, if anyone thinks thats different or better than raping ICBC for money, your dreaming. Our government simply overspends, they need to look at cutting the things they spend money on and balancing our budget, and no politician wants to do that, cause they think it is unpolpular and they wont get elected again, so they keep making expensive promises and finding new and creative ways to rape our wallets to pay for them.

I would gladly vote for a politician who seems earnestly interested in balancing the budget and bringing BC back down to earth. Doesn't matter which party they are from.

Unfortunately Horgan is not that guy, and the other changes he's making are not for me either, so he's out.

Whatheshrek 05-09-2019 06:13 PM
Little update
https://globalnews.ca/news/5261312/g...Twitter&utm_so

DragonChi 05-09-2019 06:50 PM
I'm OK with 30 k/mh over. Even better if it caught those kids with no fucks given doing 100 km/h on city roads.

GLOW 05-09-2019 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fliptuner (Post 8947210)
Oh look, black paint is on sale at Home Depot, next week.
:pokerface:
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Gh0stRider 05-09-2019 07:46 PM
In UK, they set them on fire.
https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/9...%3Ffit%3Dscale

mr00jimbo 05-09-2019 10:16 PM
What would the penalty be for say, putting a piece of black construction paper over the lenses without actually damaging it?
My friend asked me to ask...

twitchyzero 05-09-2019 10:19 PM
no different than the guy gaming TREO tolls with a flipper license plate

they'll probably spin it with some safety angle that you're tampering sensitive equipment and slap you with $10k+ fine

Badhobz 05-10-2019 07:20 AM
they'll charge you with some shit or another and then you'll probably have criminal record. dont do it.

originalhypa 05-10-2019 09:47 AM
They're setting the limit at 30kmh over.
That's pretty reasonable to me. After seeing yet another smashed C-Lai driven Benz in Langley yesterday at a major intersection, I'm completely okay with this. There are far too many people living here now, who have far too little respect for the other drivers on the road.

stump 05-10-2019 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 8947428)
They're setting the limit at 30kmh over.
That's pretty reasonable to me. After seeing yet another smashed C-Lai driven Benz in Langley yesterday at a major intersection, I'm completely okay with this. There are far too many people living here now, who have far too little respect for the other drivers on the road.
They should put them on Knight Street bridge and 2 Road bridge. So many people bomb over the those bridges like it's the Mission drag strip.

Going into work this morning at 5:30am and 2 cars passed me like I was standing still on the Knight Street bridge, swerving in between the few cars that were on it.

Traum 05-10-2019 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by stump (Post 8947434)
They should put them on Knight Street bridge and 2 Road bridge. So many people bomb over the those bridges like it's the Mission drag strip.

Going into work this morning at 5:30am and 2 cars passed me like I was standing still on the Knight Street bridge, swerving in between the few cars that were on it.
They already have the better cash cow by setting up a speed trap at the southbound entry to Knight Bridge. Cars are coming down the hill, and they tag the ones going anything faster than 60.

I mean, come on, man? I don't encourage speeding on the street, but you gotta be reasonable.

twitchyzero 05-10-2019 11:14 AM
fishing holes don't operate at 5:30am though

meme405 05-10-2019 06:35 PM
If you guys think it's going to be 30km/h over, your on drugs. I'd hedge my bets on that number coming all the way down to 10 over within the first year of the camera's introduction.

You all really need to stick to your guns and not allow this to come back, otherwise we aren't going to be able to get rid of them a second time.

yray 05-10-2019 10:38 PM
who wants to experiment with blocked license plates lol

tiger_handheld 05-11-2019 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by clevernickname (Post 8947148)
"In order to discourage speeding at any of these intersections, the provincial government and local police will not be sharing the speed threshold that triggers the new cameras."

Hmm..
went to traffic court for speeding. according to judge BC threshold is 19km/hr over posted speed km. so if you do 50 in a 30 zone, SOL, but if you do 48, you ok :) - technically speaking.

Whatheshrek 05-11-2019 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 8947535)
went to traffic court for speeding. according to judge BC threshold is 19km/hr over posted speed km. so if you do 50 in a 30 zone, SOL, but if you do 48, you ok :) - technically speaking.
Appeciate the information!

DragonChi 05-11-2019 08:47 AM
Well fellas, when's the next election?

underscore 05-11-2019 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 8947535)
went to traffic court for speeding. according to judge BC threshold is 19km/hr over posted speed km. so if you do 50 in a 30 zone, SOL, but if you do 48, you ok :) - technically speaking.
Aren't the only 30 zones for schools? If someone's doing 50 through an intersection in a school zone they're not getting much sympathy.

Traum 05-11-2019 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8947553)
Aren't the only 30 zones for schools? If someone's doing 50 through an intersection in a school zone they're not getting much sympathy.
School zones and playground areas, but they have to have a [30km/h] sign displayed. 8 - 5pm for school zones. Dawn to dusk for playground areas. But if there is no sign, it's 50km/h and you're supposed to be just on caution.

https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensin...s/drivers3.pdf

maxx 05-15-2019 12:14 AM
go vote.
seriously.

twitchyzero 05-15-2019 10:45 AM
i'm ok with driving under 70kph through intersections, something directly under one's control, if it means housing in the region continues to be less fucked up

can't have cake and eat it too...we all knew removing tolls would have streams shifted elsewhere

would somebody please get a handle on the icbc crisis though ffs


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