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twitchyzero 05-09-2019 08:17 PM

Mazda planning longitudinal straight-six
 
https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/w4...e5e67fa205ad45
https://1ijylmozio83m2nkr2v293mp-wpe...RX-VISION2.jpg
https://blogmedia.dealerfire.com/wp-...on-coupe_o.jpg

please, do it

https://jalopnik.com/mazda-challenge...h-d-1834636620

tofu1413 05-09-2019 09:19 PM

Wonder why with a inline six, just like Benz


Maybe smoother operation and easier to integrate hybrid system ?

twitchyzero 05-09-2019 10:22 PM

when you're a small player in the game, designs have to be cost-effective

likely a modular design by adding 2-cyl and reusing a lot of other parts

so dont know how they're gonna do i6, mild hybrid, phev and bev platforms all in one gen (2020 to 2025+)

asian_XL 05-10-2019 05:03 AM

why rotary is dead:yuno:

68style 05-10-2019 05:51 AM

I like how they had to say longitudinal... cuz there are so many transversely mounted I6 engines in the world ? Lol

vitaminG 05-10-2019 07:34 AM

^ Volvo s60 has one and so did Daewoo (chevy epics)

twitchyzero 05-10-2019 09:12 AM

^ must be difficult to work on?

underscore 05-10-2019 09:24 AM

I have a hard time properly appreciating the stuff Mazda does these days when they insist on putting that horrendously ugly front end on everything.

Alpine 05-10-2019 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8947390)
when you're a small player in the game, designs have to be cost-effective

likely a modular design by adding 2-cyl and reusing a lot of other parts

so dont know how they're gonna do i6, mild hybrid, phev and bev platforms all in one gen (2020 to 2025+)

Agreed. I think they're spreading themselves thin. Unless the inline 6 is going to be a huge part of their hybrid/ev strategy they should forget about it and narrow their focus...

twitchyzero 05-11-2019 05:28 PM

i mean volvo and toyota are going for unified architecture across the whole line-up, and they are much healthier financially (mazda's profit took a 40%+ hit recently)

i would expect the i6 to be compatible with with mild hybrid/phev...still, something's gotta give, look at their near-disastrous diesel launch in north america

but if they want to move to the premium market they do need something more substantial than a i4 turbo

StanleyR 05-11-2019 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminG (Post 8947413)
^ Volvo s60 has one and so did Daewoo (chevy epics)

So did the S80.

Great engines that were nightmares to work on.
Regardless, Volvo has abandon anything larger than an inline 4 around 2017-2018. Their currently aspiring to appeal to the Tesla market (g attempting to go full electric soon).

twitchyzero 06-22-2019 07:28 AM

just a rumour for now but supposedly this platform will also be used in a few Lexus models next-gen

Toyota already uses Mazda for the Yaris and their joint factory in Alabama is coming online soon

https://uk.motor1.com/news/355713/le...engine-rumour/

twitchyzero 11-12-2020 07:10 PM

https://images.hgmsites.net/hug/mazd...00769327_h.jpg

still a bit of ways out

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2022/

Great68 11-13-2020 04:21 PM

Mazda y u no manual in new turbo 3!?!?!

vitaminG 11-14-2020 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 9006398)

Bumps 18 month old thread with 6 month old article...

twitchyzero 11-14-2020 01:09 PM

sry copied wrong link
the image/update is from few days ago

Traum 11-14-2020 01:17 PM

There are some rumours that the Mazda-designed I6 will go into some sort of Lexus. I hope those rumours are true because that'll provide Mazda with some very much needed $$$$.

!LittleDragon 11-17-2020 03:02 PM

With V8s going away, I'm surprised more manufacturers aren't going with the I6. It's a lot smoother than a V6 and the longer hood looks better. Add cylinders to a V6 and you have the V8, V10 and V12 but if they're just going to offer 4 and 6 cylinders, just stick with the I4 and I6.

EvoFire 11-17-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 9007160)
With V8s going away, I'm surprised more manufacturers aren't going with the I6. It's a lot smoother than a V6 and the longer hood looks better. Add cylinders to a V6 and you have the V8, V10 and V12 but if they're just going to offer 4 and 6 cylinders, just stick with the I4 and I6.

I think for packaging reasons, some prefer the V6. You can't really jam a I6 transverse under a FWD hood.

yray 11-17-2020 05:28 PM

easier to bolt on the integrated motor with i6?

!LittleDragon 11-17-2020 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9007168)
I think for packaging reasons, some prefer the V6. You can't really jam a I6 transverse under a FWD hood.

Why would you need to though? The trend is smaller turbocharged motors taking the place of the V6. Honda doesn't even offer a V6 accord anymore, Hyundai ditched the V6 Sonata 10 years ago. I think Camry is the only one left and since AWD is available, they should just make the base model RWD. This is probably the last generation of 6 cylinder Camry. Going forward, anything with a turbo 6 would've had a V8 10 years ago so it probably would've been RWD anyways.

I'm at a crossroads myself. My V8 sedan is 5 years old now and out of warranty so time to upgrade but I can't find another NA V8 luxury sedan... the updated Genesis G80 is now a V6TT as the top model with the bigger G90 as the only V8 offering. Not sure what to do... keep driving my 2015 to the ground and deal with luxury car repair costs, get the new model and complain about the V6 not being smooth enough or get the G90 and get used to driving a slightly bigger car...

EvoFire 11-17-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 9007200)
Why would you need to though? The trend is smaller turbocharged motors taking the place of the V6. Honda doesn't even offer a V6 accord anymore, Hyundai ditched the V6 Sonata 10 years ago. I think Camry is the only one left and since AWD is available, they should just make the base model RWD. This is probably the last generation of 6 cylinder Camry. Going forward, anything with a turbo 6 would've had a V8 10 years ago so it probably would've been RWD anyways.

I'm at a crossroads myself. My V8 sedan is 5 years old now and out of warranty so time to upgrade but I can't find another NA V8 luxury sedan... the updated Genesis G80 is now a V6TT as the top model with the bigger G90 as the only V8 offering. Not sure what to do... keep driving my 2015 to the ground and deal with luxury car repair costs, get the new model and complain about the V6 not being smooth enough or get the G90 and get used to driving a slightly bigger car...

You've got a point. I was still thinking of the V6 FWD platform. I think Toyota will be the holdout for another generation as I don't see the Avalon going to a turbo 4, ditto the Lexus ES, Lexus RX, and Highlander. Honda still has the Pilot as well, but you are right there's no Accord anymore.

Who am I kidding though, the 2GR is probably gonna last another generation, maybe with added DI.

What V8 sedan do you have? I guess there isn't much. Charger? SRT8?

!LittleDragon 11-17-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9007220)
You've got a point. I was still thinking of the V6 FWD platform. I think Toyota will be the holdout for another generation as I don't see the Avalon going to a turbo 4, ditto the Lexus ES, Lexus RX, and Highlander. Honda still has the Pilot as well, but you are right there's no Accord anymore.

Who am I kidding though, the 2GR is probably gonna last another generation, maybe with added DI.

What V8 sedan do you have? I guess there isn't much. Charger? SRT8?

All those cars you mentioned are luxury cars and SUV's, they should've been RWD to start with... lol...

My current car is a 2015 Hyundai Genesis V8 AKA Genesis G80. It's been solid so far, way less issues than a German equivalent but it'll cost just as much to fix if something does go wrong... lol... the electronic bits and pieces are expensive. The one major problem I did have was a wheel speed sensor, would've been a $1500 repair if it wasn't under warranty at the time.

BIC_BAWS 11-17-2020 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon (Post 9007243)
All those cars you mentioned are luxury cars and SUV's, they should've been RWD to start with... lol...

My current car is a 2015 Hyundai Genesis V8 AKA Genesis G80. It's been solid so far, way less issues than a German equivalent but it'll cost just as much to fix if something does go wrong... lol... the electronic bits and pieces are expensive. The one major problem I did have was a wheel speed sensor, would've been a $1500 repair if it wasn't under warranty at the time.

I was considering the G80 with the 3.3T or a Veloster N - I was going to give Hyundai a shot. Then I found out that the parts are just as expensive as BMW parts.

And since they are, you should buy a E90 M3... it's got a v8 ;)

Only gotta fix rod bearings and throttle actuators, but if you know how to DIY, it's like ~ 2-3K. Friend just did it on his E92.

!LittleDragon 11-17-2020 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS (Post 9007258)
I was considering the G80 with the 3.3T or a Veloster N - I was going to give Hyundai a shot. Then I found out that the parts are just as expensive as BMW parts.

And since they are, you should buy a E90 M3... it's got a v8 ;)

Only gotta fix rod bearings and throttle actuators, but if you know how to DIY, it's like ~ 2-3K. Friend just did it on his E92.

It's too small of a car, I like the big highway cruisers. The Genesis is classed as a mid size but it dwarfs my cousin's M5, sized more like 7 series. I also need a warranty, too old to be tinkering with my own cars these days.... lol..


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