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When Deng negotiated the 1-country-2-system with Thatcher, Deng's intent and expectations were that in 50 yrs' time, China would have caught up to Hong Kong (and the international community)'s level of prosperity and civility, and then the 2 societies can readily merge into one without major issues. Of course, little did he know that his lack of political reform in China means an assimilation like that is impossible.
Any leasehold land in Canada, or any place that operates under the rule of law, would never have any issues with the leases expiring. The lease expires, and you either re-negotiate to come to a deal of some sort beforehand, or you just pack up and go when the expiration comes. The problem with China is, it is a place that operates on the rule by law princple. That law and justice is not an end goal in itself, but merely a means to achieve whatever desires the current ruler / ruling adminstration desires. So it doesn't matter what kind of contract or binding agreement they have passed or signed, because China will easily ignore their obligations if it is convenient for them to do so. And this is exactly what happened with their WTO obligations.
I know. I'm just saying why they "have" to "play nice" for 50 years. By doing what they're doing, they're literally going against their own constitution that they wrote. They are breaking the law at a very fundamental level with this meddling.
I went up to a cute chick and asked her if she'd let me take a photo of her for $30 she slapped me, she said to me that "I AIN'T A WHORE!"
But other than that I have seen every car on display in DTP just by cruising about in Richmond, thank you very much for collecting them together and get someone to sing a cover for "fuck you".
OH FUCK YOU OH OH OOOOH~
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wtf man? what the hell kind of women do you go for? spca is for animals not dates...
Another bill was "delayed" today. In case you were wondering what this was, the Beijing government wants to make it illegal to make any other noises or show any disrespect when the China national anthem is being played.[/url]
Anybody remember reading 1984 by George Orwell in hs? Because China is eerily moving towards everything the book described
I learned a lot of new stuff in this thread... its bad on all sides...
With this issue aside, it really makes me think of the direction that is China headed in. Its pretty bad already, and it will get so much worse.
protest continues based on this. They are blocking the police HQ now. Probably a good day for thieves and robbers.
I think CCP will sacrifice Secretary for Security (John Lee) and/or Secretary for Justice (Teresa Cheng) to calm the storm. I predict JOhn Lee will be the first on the chopping blocks because he has been doing a shit job with responding to protestors and pretty much-adding fuel to the fire every time he speaks.
As someone who lived in HK for the last few years of British rule it's sad to see what it has slowly degraded in to. I really enjoyed my time there. I've been back a bunch since no longer being a resident but even my dad called it quits in 09. He and many of his colleagues felt it was time to go. None of my family or the network of expats we knew are surprised by China's actions though. HK will 'die' as the hub it once was with this continued meddling; I wonder if it's already passed the tipping point and another mass exodus will be happening. You'd think China would have gotten the hint that blatantly illegal business practices and strong-arming doesn't work in the 21st century with Huawei forecasting a 30B loss of its profits due to being alienated by the rest of the world.
They need better training on keeping their cool and composure. They act and look just like any MK gang. And look at how their superior is laughing in the background.
They need better training on keeping their cool and composure. They act and look just like any MK gang. And look at how their superior is laughing in the background.
Yeah if that guy loses his temper that much while out of uniform, out of the action, imagine how insane he goes when he's out there crackin' skulls. Nasty shit
im all for things like flags on goverment buildings and mandarin on MTR station is normal and i personally think its a must since the hand over
but since its 50 years unchange, then they should keep it intill the time period expires
u must know that china is like a birds cage, your freedom is base on how big the cage is period and depending on how u perform they will adjust things to see what fits right
im not a fan of the cpp but im not going to say i hate them, i live here and thats i dont talk/play politics
I went up to a cute chick and asked her if she'd let me take a photo of her for $30 she slapped me, she said to me that "I AIN'T A WHORE!"
But other than that I have seen every car on display in DTP just by cruising about in Richmond, thank you very much for collecting them together and get someone to sing a cover for "fuck you".
OH FUCK YOU OH OH OOOOH~
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Originally Posted by Neva
wtf man? what the hell kind of women do you go for? spca is for animals not dates...
Udham Singh (26 December 1899 – 31 July 1940), was a revolutionary belonging to the Ghadar Party best known for his assassination in London of Michael O' Dwyer, the former lieutenant governor of the Punjab in India, on 13 March 1940. The assassination was in revenge for the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar in 1919.[1] Singh was subsequently tried and convicted of murder and hanged in July 1940. While in custody, he used the name Ram Mohammad Singh Azad, which represents the three major religions of Punjab and his anti-colonial sentiment.[2]
Udham Singh (26 December 1899 – 31 July 1940), was a revolutionary belonging to the Ghadar Party best known for his assassination in London of Michael O' Dwyer, the former lieutenant governor of the Punjab in India, on 13 March 1940. The assassination was in revenge for the Jallianwala Bagh massacre in Amritsar in 1919.[1] Singh was subsequently tried and convicted of murder and hanged in July 1940. While in custody, he used the name Ram Mohammad Singh Azad, which represents the three major religions of Punjab and his anti-colonial sentiment.[2]
Watching the news yesterday, it reminds me the Vancouver riot. IMO I don't see a point to damage or take over the legislative council when no body was there and they decided to leave after 12am. To me the HK police is quite inexperience, some not sure where to stand, some dropped their shield etc. Police evacuated after 9pm, probably eating popcorn in front of the surveillance cameras, then plan to knock on the doors in the morning.
Watching the news yesterday, it reminds me the Vancouver riot. IMO I don't see a point to damage or take over the legislative council when no body was there and they decided to leave after 12am. To me the HK police is quite inexperience, some not sure where to stand, some dropped their shield etc. Police evacuated after 9pm, probably eating popcorn in front of the surveillance cameras, then plan to knock on the doors in the morning.
no one was there because they where too busy sipping champagne. I here the news channels had a split screen. One side showing government officials clinking glasses the other side showing protesters demonstrating and breaking windows. I think the protesters did an effective job interrupting the celebrations.
This was all staged to make protesters look bad. Police not incompetent, they were instructed by President Xi to let them in to create havoc. Some protesters were China sympathizers. CRP controlling the narrative.
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they need the Chinese military to roll in to institute a curfew and maintain order through martial law uh oh that's where its headed if they keep it up
Most, including myself believe this was a setup by the government to give them leverage to hold on the protestors' demands. The fact they could barge into Legco so easily contradicts the police use of force during previous "riots" to suppress protestors from getting into legco.
On another hand, you have comically things like this:
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#2 It's quite odd how the whole crew (CE, SofS, SofJ, Police Chief and their support staff) all got together ready to go at 4am to address the press. That said, the CE basically brushed off the Cantonese/local reporters' questions but would provide very detailed responses to the foreign press. People in PR have pointed out this is a tactic was used to help China leverage to the international audience that this whole protest has become violent and skew them from the peaceful protest that happened in the morning.
This was all staged to make protesters look bad. Police not incompetent, they were instructed by President Xi to let them in to create havoc. Some protesters were China sympathizers. CRP controlling the narrative.
I remain thoroughly unconvinced that the HKSAR gov's scheme to make the protesters look bad has succeeded though -- at least it hasn't for those who are willing to seek the truth (or more semblance of truth).
From reading and watch the various protestor declarations, the "occupation" videos, the "rescue" operation videos, I honestly can't imagine how any sensible person would not sympathsize with the young protestors. Their plain and simple sincerity, and their undying love for their home (Hong Kong) cannot be more obvious. They may be unrefined with their means, but their actions and accusations are the direct results of tyranny and ridculous policies and lies from the HKSAR gov.
Of course, the gov supporters (and many Mainland Chinese) will not be swayed because it comes from a difference in fundamental values. You are not going to see changes in these people until their own core interests have been harmed. In some cases, they may even think it is OK for their own core interests to be sacrified "in the name of the greater good".
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