Hong Kong extradition protests

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

is there gonna be a poll in hk:

1. 2014/2019 protests backfired, we lost a very basic freedom

2. protests were in vain, beijing was gonna crackdown anyways

3. at least we fought, and fought hard

sounds dramatic but this feels a bit like fall of saigon

what was anticipated to happen over 10-20 years seem to have changed in mere months

I think most people will see this not as Beijing "winning", but the total opposite. They'd say they are throwing China in the shitter in order to reign in Hong Kong (and yes, there's more to life than the current Hang Seng Index price). Adding the ability to prosecute non-residents for crimes committed outside Hong Kong is the nail in the coffin.

Unfortunately just because Beijing lost, doesn't mean the people of HK won. There is no winner in this.

[SkinnyPupp]

First arrest has been made, 16 hours after the law being put in place

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[320icar]

Originally Posted by HonestTea

Interesting criteria for Japan

Japan is historically a very difficult country to immigrate to. Them opening their borders at all is impressive

[68style]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Japan is historically a very difficult country to immigrate to. Them opening their borders at all is impressive

I thought this too, but some clownshoe I know from here who was an oil sands rejectee moved over there 3 years ago with with zero education and no real work skills beyong rig-pigging having his sole purpose being trying to fuck girls and within 14 months of being there auspiciously as a "recruiter" low and behold he was posting up his proud new Japanese permanent resident card, so ???

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by 68style

I thought this too, but some clownshoe I know from here who was an oil sands rejectee moved over there 3 years ago with with zero education and no real work skills beyong rig-pigging having his sole purpose being trying to fuck girls and within 14 months of being there auspiciously as a "recruiter" low and behold he was posting up his proud new Japanese permanent resident card, so ???

I dunno it took my brother like 7 years to get his permanent residency and he graduated from their #1 university and worked for a couple of the biggest Japanese companies

Considering what a dickhole this guy sounds like, I wouldn't put it past him "proudly" sharing a fake ID of some sort, and just doing visa runs until they decide to stop letting him come back...

Or maybe he got a really damn good immigration lawyer?

Because honestly, before retiring, Japan would be my #1 destination to move to. If it was feasible at all, I would literally be planning it starting today.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

. If it was feasible at all, I would literally be planning it starting today.

Call yourself a banker and hope you get picked lol

[SkinnyPupp]

You can call me many things and I won't get mad, just don't call me a banker

[SkinnyPupp]

Another one

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Some very obvious arrests being made, some with very obvious "foreign influence" connections

[StylinRed]

Ya I'm thinking this is just fake news to scare hongers

The fact hkpf is posting it just adds to the sus

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

This applies to non residents though

You could never set foot in HK all your life, but commit these crimes from home, and when you get here you can be arrested.

An important thing to note here is that if you are using a Chinese brand phone, or Chinese apps like TikTok or WeChat, they already know pretty much everything about you. If you are an activist overseas, do not come to HK.

[SkinnyPupp]

And another one

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[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

An important thing to note here is that if you are using a Chinese brand phone, or Chinese apps like TikTok or WeChat, they already know pretty much everything about you. If you are an activist overseas, do not come to HK.

Also use a dummy phone when I visit China guess I have to do the same now with HK if I ever go back. I only have wechat, some Chinese apps(like maps and DiDi for taxi), FB with a fake account that I don't post anything on, weather apps, no email account so they can search the phone all they like coz they will most likely find nothing.

I also think this new security law will more like the law in China where if they caught you just saying something/suggesting something bad about the HK/China gov, or even discuss the wrong doings IE police beating up an 80 year old man for no reason, they can use that as an excuse and arrest you. Basically if the police/gov want they will use any excuse and said what you did/say/discuss/post online is against the security law (causing harm to the harmony society).


Didn't a bunch of university clubs, other organization who goal was for HK independence was disband right after the HK gov announce the new security law?

To be honest who will go against China now? With CoVI19 most western countries have spend too much to restore its country (handouts, reduce tax, increase debt) facing great depression who will go and say no to China and actually do something about it? Not to mention over 80% of the world PPE is made in China so China can easily deny you access to PPE and your country are fuck lol. The states are in such terrible shape (thanks to Trump) and the EU in massive debt, Africans country in China's pocket there isn't really anyone with a backbone to stand against China. Don't even mention Canada we literally let China row all over us without even putting a fight.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Also use a dummy phone when I visit China guess I have to do the same now with HK if I ever go back. I only have wechat, some Chinese apps(like maps and DiDi for taxi), FB with a fake account that I don't post anything on, weather apps, no email account so they can search the phone all they like coz they will most likely find nothing.

I also think this new security law will more like the law in China where if they caught you just saying something/suggesting something bad about the HK/China gov, or even discuss the wrong doings IE police beating up an 80 year old man for no reason, they can use that as an excuse and arrest you. Basically if the police/gov want they will use any excuse and said what you did/say/discuss/post online is against the security law (causing harm to the harmony society).


Didn't a bunch of university clubs, other organization who goal was for HK independence was disband right after the HK gov announce the new security law?

To be honest who will go against China now? With CoVI19 most western countries have spend too much to restore its country (handouts, reduce tax, increase debt) facing great depression who will go and say no to China and actually do something about it? Not to mention over 80% of the world PPE is made in China so China can easily deny you access to PPE and your country are fuck lol. The states are in such terrible shape (thanks to Trump) and the EU in massive debt, Africans country in China's pocket there isn't really anyone with a backbone to stand against China. Don't even mention Canada we literally let China row all over us without even putting a fight.

Covid hit China harder than any other country, including the US. We just don't hear about it.

The world is pretty much on pause for now, as far as international relations go. That's part of why things like this happened so quickly.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Covid hit China harder than any other country, including the US. We just don't hear about it.

The world is pretty much on pause for now, as far as international relations go. That's part of why things like this happened so quickly.

What do you think the intentional stage will do about once CoVID19 gets better? I don't really much would change, more country might open up to take more Hongers in as refugees but that's about it. There isn't going to be much sanctions as the world is too deep in China pocket. Too many giant corporations rely on the Chinese market and they will pretty much urge their home country government not to do anything against China.

Got a friend in Hong Kong who have been deciding if she should immigrate to Taiwan for awhile. Finally she decided to immigrate this year. She just lost faith in Hong Kong government after all this.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Covid hit China harder than any other country, including the US. We just don't hear about it.

The world is pretty much on pause for now, as far as international relations go. That's part of why things like this happened so quickly.

China was hit the hardest but they are also rebounding the hardest.
Every other countries's government central banks basically drop their pants to help the economy recover but China has been quite resilient in that regard. Minimal handouts and the old tough love approach that China likes to impose on their citizens.

I hope the rest of the world don't underestimate China's rebound like they did with the virus.

As much as it seems like I defend China, them dominating the world is a serious cause on concern both economically and morally.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

What do you think the intentional stage will do about once CoVID19 gets better? I don't really much would change, more country might open up to take more Hongers in as refugees but that's about it. There isn't going to be much sanctions as the world is too deep in China pocket. Too many giant corporations rely on the Chinese market and they will pretty much urge their home country government not to do anything against China.

Got a friend in Hong Kong who have been deciding if she should immigrate to Taiwan for awhile. Finally she decided to immigrate this year. She just lost faith in Hong Kong government after all this.

Really hard to tell, because while my predictions came true, everything skipped like 10 or 20 years

I would say definitely more sanctions from more countries besides USA are going to take place. EU is getting ready for it as you saw in a previous tweet here. UK is planning on forming their own this summer.

The question is, how tough will these sanctions be?

CCP has a lot of officials with ties around the world through themselves and family members. Right now, USA is cutting off visas of these family members. If UK, Australia, EU, and Canada to the same, it will be devastating.

I've said a million times that they are becoming more and more insular, and shunning the rest of the world. I've used North Korea as an analogy. With heavy sanctions like this, it will drive them even further into solitude. As for the ramifications of that, I really don't know. Will they become more belligerent?

I think the main thing that will happen, as I've always said but it happened so fast politically, is the world ending their reliance on Chinese manufacturing. Gone will be the days of cheap HDTVs, cell phones, video game systems, stuff like that. All that stuff will still exist, it just won't benefit from incredibly affordable labour. This stuff will come from all over the world, rather than just one place. Manufacturers are already starting to move out, with Samsung opening plants in India, Sony already moved to Thailand, Apple to Texas, etc. Foreign Processor fabs never really took off in China, so they are almost all based all around the world, mostly USA, Japan, EU (Samsung, Hynix and TSMC have a few plants in China, so it will be interesting to see what they do)

We (or more specifically, the generation after ours) are just going to have to get used to not having much "cool shit". Many of us already live that kind of life, but it will be a shock to others. I always predicted it, but it looks like it's going to happen real soon. The first sign may be what happens with the upcoming console launches later this year. Those probably got in before any sort of 'deadline' though.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by threezero

China was hit the hardest but they are also rebounding the hardest.
Every other countries's government central banks basically drop their pants to help the economy recover but China has been quite resilient in that regard. Minimal handouts and the old tough love approach that China likes to impose on their citizens.

I hope the rest of the world don't underestimate China's rebound like they did with the virus.

As much as it seems like I defend China, them dominating the world is a serious cause on concern both economically and morally.

I've always said that China has a massive advantage in how they can handle the virus, so that's not surprising at all... I said it right during the Wuhan lockdown in the original Coronavirus thread! They were always going to come out of this the least affected, which is why conspiracy theories continue to thrive.

I don't think you "defend" China as much as you're saying here; at least you don't have to. But you are trying to offer another point of view (which is always appreciated, but be sure not to put down others' points at the same time). The view of a hardcore capitalist is always valuable - it's just not the only view to be considered (that would be extremely dangerous)

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Really hard to tell, because while my predictions came true, everything skipped like 10 or 20 years

I would say definitely more sanctions from more countries besides USA are going to take place. EU is getting ready for it as you saw in a previous tweet here. UK is planning on forming their own this summer.

The question is, how tough will these sanctions be?

CCP has a lot of officials with ties around the world through themselves and family members. Right now, USA is cutting off visas of these family members. If UK, Australia, EU, and Canada to the same, it will be devastating.

I've said a million times that they are becoming more and more insular, and shunning the rest of the world. I've used North Korea as an analogy. With heavy sanctions like this, it will drive them even further into solitude. As for the ramifications of that, I really don't know. Will they become more belligerent?

I think the main thing that will happen, as I've always said but it happened so fast politically, is the world ending their reliance on Chinese manufacturing. Gone will be the days of cheap HDTVs, cell phones, video game systems, stuff like that. All that stuff will still exist, it just won't benefit from incredibly affordable labour. This stuff will come from all over the world, rather than just one place. Manufacturers are already starting to move out, with Samsung opening plants in India, Sony already moved to Thailand, Apple to Texas, etc. Foreign Processor fabs never really took off in China, so they are almost all based all around the world, mostly USA, Japan, EU (Samsung, Hynix and TSMC have a few plants in China, so it will be interesting to see what they do)

We (or more specifically, the generation after ours) are just going to have to get used to not having much "cool shit". Many of us already live that kind of life, but it will be a shock to others. I always predicted it, but it looks like it's going to happen real soon. The first sign may be what happens with the upcoming console launches later this year. Those probably got in before any sort of 'deadline' though.

Regarding goods in China, my wife actually avoids buying anything made in China even though she is from Beijing. She simply does not trust the quality from China.I am the opposite lol as long as is cheap and decent enough to last a few years I don't really mind where is made. One example is they might limit the number of intentional students from China or limit Chinese company from buying local company.

Honestly these sanctions won't be too harsh. Is more like just for show. However other country might try to distance themselves from China over the next few years. Don't expect Canada to do much since JT is such a push over. Interesting to see what will happen in the next few years.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by threezero

China was hit the hardest but they are also rebounding the hardest.
Every other countries's government central banks basically drop their pants to help the economy recover but China has been quite resilient in that regard. Minimal handouts and the old tough love approach that China likes to impose on their citizens.

I hope the rest of the world don't underestimate China's rebound like they did with the virus.

As much as it seems like I defend China, them dominating the world is a serious cause on concern both economically and morally.

I read it somewhere that the Chinese government specially avoid any handout and lowering interest rate to try and out last the states and their sanctions. China might be hot harder but due to their massive population and vase economy and their citizens values is much easier for them to rebound. Heck with CERB my cousin is actually having issues hiring drivers to deliver (he have two pizza place) people would rather stay home and get 2k a month rather then working. And this happens to other place as well. So I guess China is smart not to give handouts.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

I read it somewhere that the Chinese government specially avoid any handout and lowering interest rate to try and out last the states and their sanctions. China might be hot harder but due to their massive population and vase economy and their citizens values is much easier for them to rebound. Heck with CERB my cousin is actually having issues hiring drivers to deliver (he have two pizza place) people would rather stay home and get 2k a month rather then working. And this happens to other place as well. So I guess China is smart not to give handouts.

IMO there are many reasons for not lowering interest and avoiding handout. China has the highest saving per capita in the world. Handout wasn't necessary for majority of the population, they have actually started to implement "spending credits" as a way of boosting the economy. Which is actually a way better way to spark the economy than hand out. Almost if not all democratic countries employed handout as a way of calming the population, its not really a good way to help the bounce back as you can see the situation with CERB.

Not lowering the interest rate is beneficially for the macroeconomy. It is also a way to prevent capital flight. China currently has the highest yield across the board compare to other economically stabled countries. I don't think they are doing it on purpose to "outlast" the state. China overtaking USA GDP wise, is just a matter of time. I believe they make that decision purely because they are in the position to do so.

China's number 1 priority is economy prosperity, so they don't have to make the hard choice between satisfying the population vs doing what is right for the economy. So yea like Skinnypupp said, they have a major advantage in this regard.

If we are banking on China collapsing on itself due to its economy, it will be a long long wait.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Honestly these sanctions won't be too harsh. Is more like just for show.

What makes you think this?

[SkinnyPupp]

So if China's immense GDP is based mostly on 1) Manufacturing for the rest of the world and 2) Manufacturing infrastructure for no-one, followed be 3) providing services for the world (entertainment, technology), and 4) manufacturing infrastructure for actual people, what happens when 1) shrinks significantly, or even disappears and 2) there is no longer an economy to allow this non stop manufacturing, and 3) these services become restricted?

I am not advocating for any of this, I am just wondering

Also GDP per capita, is that something to consider? Or is it more like, if you're not part of the 0.1% it doesn't really matter?

[SkinnyPupp]

China vows to stop UK granting Hongkongers residency

China has said the UK has no right to grant residency to Hongkongers fleeing a harsh new national security law, and vowed to take “corresponding measures” to stop such a move.
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UK foreign secretary Dominic Raab has admitted there is little Britain can do to “coercively force” China if it tried to block Hongkongers from coming to the UK.

[SkinnyPupp]

The U.S. House of Representatives passed by unanimous consent a bill imposing sanctions on banks that do business with Chinese officials involved in cracking down on pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

So if China's immense GDP is based mostly on 1) Manufacturing for the rest of the world and 2) Manufacturing infrastructure for no-one, followed be 3) providing services for the world (entertainment, technology), and 4) manufacturing infrastructure for actual people, what happens when 1) shrinks significantly, or even disappears and 2) there is no longer an economy to allow this non stop manufacturing, and 3) these services become restricted?

I am not advocating for any of this, I am just wondering

Also GDP per capita, is that something to consider? Or is it more like, if you're not part of the 0.1% it doesn't really matter?

I don’t think there is any real way to distinguish how much of China’s current GDP depends on export vs real domestic production/consumption. Base on population alone China can satisfy its own economy at least in the meantime by focusing internally. GDP per capita is an average. I think in 2019 that number is approximately 10k usd per person. It doesn’t reflect the divide between the 0.1% and the ultra poor, it’s a very crude way of looking at the economy as it’s basically just the overall production of the country divided by the population. But it absolutely matters to the none 0.1%. By comparison when Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, China’s per capita gdp was only 788$ USD.

As much hate as the 0.1% gets. Their wealth has a trickle down effect to the rest of the population. It’s like saying Jeff Bezo’s net worth doesn’t matter. It does it translates to employment development and other business that feeds on the Bezo directly and indirectly.

Since opening their economy to the world this is the biggest challenge China have seen. So only time will tell what’s going to happen.

Although China has done a great job in their war on poverty, there is a huge % of the population that are still consider to be below the poverty line. They have an advantage in sheer number. Just eradicating 1-2% of their poverty issue is a huge boost to their overall economy. Basically China only need to get a little more productive while USA has to work 10x as hard to have the same effect simply due to China’s population size.

Its too early to tell, but most likely the sanction will hurt USA themselves more than China.