So when the police beat back rioters n protesters you bitch bout them beating rioters/protesters
When the police maintain a presence but keep hands off the protesters you bitch n complain that they didn't beat back protesters/rioters and allowed them to do what they wanted to do

But you're missing the point, and that's the protesters/rioters wreaked havoc

Police can crowd control without literally curb stomping them, kicking skulls, bashing people in the face with the edges of their shields, and firing tear gas into trapped crowds indiscriminately.

Nobody is complaining about the police trying to hold a line in front the LegCo building. It's all about how they did it. Go read the Amnesty International report I posted.

Also when they go from excessive force to no force at all, it's obvious what their intentions are. And I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was all started by agents provocateur.

Point is regardless of what they do ppl are going to bitch, and now that they look bad, they're pointing the finger even more... Typical

Do you know why they broke in? Do you know what they said when they got in there? No, because the media is only showing you the controversial vandalism and violence.

Compare vandalizing a building (which can be easily repaired) to having your freedom and liberty taken away.. Which do you think is worse?

And yes, people are going to "bitch". Because there are people on one side, and people on the other. Whatever goes against their "side" will be "bitched" about. But that's just "bitching" which is irrelevant. Having freedom taken away is much more important, and from the citizens who have no voice, they are going to find ways to speak up loudly.

Destroying property was not the right way to do it, but in the end, the statement being made should be the thing people focus on. The fact that the police let them in to do so, had a statement about it recorded 5 hours before the event, all that to me is more important than the broken windows and spray paint.

If anyone -- esp the non-Chinese readers -- is interested in understanding how the kids were lead to storm into LegCo (the legislative council building), please read the following (translated) article through:

The Regime That Devours Its Young Souls—the testimony of a local journalist

The original Chinese version is much better written -- the translated version is acceptably decent, and explains all the factual stuff as well as one could hope. But where it falls short is how it couldn't really capture the sorrow that pushes these young Hong Konger's through the edge :(

This is how traitors should be treated SeemsGood

Large scale protests are happening in Mainland China as well, this one against the building of waste incinerators in residential areas.


If you think HK people are brave for protesting, these people are putting their lives on the line. Anyone captured will probably never be heard from again.

More info on the protest

even a small frightened animal with fight back viciously if cornered...

there are so few police in some of those shots that the crowd could have easily overpowered them.

Interesting comments and perspective. Although I’m neutral to pro HK, the speaker brings up a good point

Waaaat? Your comment right there just makes absolutely no sense. Exactly what point does that party mouthpiece say that has any value to it at all?

I couldn't stomach the bullshxt that he is spewing by listening to him do it, but I have read his remarks in printed form -- it's less repulsive that way. The lies and absurdity that was spewing from his mouth is despicable.

The Sino-British Joint Declaration is an international bilateral treaty signed by the UK and PRC, and as such, abides by all norms that are recognized in international treaties. It is not merely a historical document as this worthless pos Geng Shuang claims. More than any other country in the world, the UK has both a moral and legal obligation to ensure that PRC upholds the terms that have been illustrated in the Joint Declaration. PRC has obviously not been doing that.

If anyone is still interested in what's going on here...

Another 200K people marched in TST yesterday. They focused on spreading the word in the mainland-tourist popular area, starting with the High Speed Rail, and going down Canton road. It spread down Nathan road.

Lots of speeches and chants in Mandarin. I think it's a good idea, showing the mainland Chinese that HKers have nothing against them, it's their government that they hate. I'm sure everyone is aware that there's been a divide between HKers and mainlanders through the years, with the perception that HKers generally have an elitist attitude due to the freedoms they are used to enjoying/not being brainwashed. But I think this is breaking down recently. This particular effort shows this I think. I was out of town last week, but I think they did something similar in Tuen Muen, near the Chinese border, last week.

https://i.redd.it/7jf318ekkv831.jpg

https://i.redd.it/3ewrtuvdvu831.jpg

https://i.redd.it/iugpipjanu831.jpg

Oh, and if you were ever wondering why police estimates are so much lower than organizers' and other estimates, this is how they count crowds:


You can tell she knows it's bullshit LUL

Around midnight, some protesters made it to Mong Kok, and police decided to take action.

There's lots of new footage of police being violent, pushing people, beating them, but more than anything they are berating people and acting in a very non-calm and aggressive manner. A few injuries, no rubber bullets or tear gas was fired AFAIK





This video is making the rounds.. To me it looks like he popped a bunch of xanax to calm his nerves, and maybe overdid the dose a bit:

usually not a fan of the CCP spokesperson but when he told Ottawa not to be naive by asking our backup (Trump) to bring our detainees back :joy:

Even the police officer are human and citizens. I wonder what they really think deep down.. Pro govt or just doing their job?

From the various incidents through the June and July protests, we can see that many in the front line regular cops and anti-riot squad have a real and deeply ingrained hatred towards the protesters. No other cop would go and beat the shxt out of protesters when the protesters have already been caught and subdued, but many incidents of such behaviour has been observed among the HKPD. A similar attitude from these HKPD also exist towards the press, and attacks on front line reporters has only been getting worse. The most recent protest seems to be the worst of what has been observed so far in terms of police brutality and near-total lack of police professionalism. Really at this point, there are lots of licenced thugs with guns and anti-riot weapons that have been deployed to suppress the protesters. They are openly defying, under the camera, police policy and procedures. They are daring and challenging protesters to go on a 1-on-1 fist fight. They are attacking the press when there are no protesters around. I would not view these people to be police officers at all.

The reasons for this are many, and it is too lengthy to get into a full discussion here. Suffice to say that a general attitude among much of the HK public is the front line brutes lack the cognitive sophistication to perform proper policing duties, and yet they have been hired to serve as front line brutes precisely because of this trait. The higher ups are only catering to the wishes of HKCEO and Chinese security departments, so they, too, actively instill a sense of prejudice against protesters in their training, discipline, and general atmosphere in the PD.

Bill is dead.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-k...dead-1.5204792

Saying it's dead is one thing. People want the bill to be officially scrapped

^ C'mon ... wth else do you want them to do? Kiss the feet of every protester? Lam said it was dead. Go back to work and get on with your life.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-k...dead-1.5204792

Lam noted there were "lingering doubts about the government's sincerity or worries whether the government will restart the process in the Legislative Council." But she said at a news conference, "I reiterate here, there is no such plan. The bill is dead."

she didnt use the word DEAD when speaking in Cantonese
im sorry its not good enough

all she needs to say is WITHDRAW INDEFINITELY. in Cantonese, Mandarin and English

https://twitter.com/EricCheungwc/sta...1c2e6985ae%2F0

So English in front of International press 'bill is dead' is not good enough?

becuz under the laws of HK
there is only withdraw or postpone.

https://www.legco.gov.hk/general/eng...t/partk.htm#64

It doesn't matter what she SAYS in a press conference. Until the bill is technically and legally withdrawn, it's not enough. It's not complete, and the threat still exists.

The threat will always exist... Even if she says it's withdrawn

Threat will forever be there EVEN if its eliminated, China will think of some crazy ass bullshit next time around.

It is dead. I don't understand why people are so SPECIFIC in having her to say "scrapped".

They won't ever say the word scrapped to minimize the effects of total celebration by the masses. This would encourage even bigger protests in the future.

As a reporter once said, no different than "hey you want to have fuck?" versus "hey you want to netflix and chill?"