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I don't get the HKPF's logic in the gear they are using... for the MK protest they bring full out shields and riot gear when 99% of them are just gathering post-TST protest.
With this protest, which sees slightly more aggression from protestors, they bring low ranking guys with batons swinging all over the place.
And where is the Police Chief or CE in all of this? The llack of leadership is eroding Hong Kong's police force to the ground.
PTU officers were seen, I think for the first time in these protests. My theory is that they should be more well trained and under control, but time will tell
^ since you are in HK and you feel so passionate about this ... don't you want to be out in the streets with the protesters instead of giving us play by play?
Edit ... no, I'm serious we have twitter for that. Giving people fails on a car forum 1/2 way around the world vs. actively participating. I know you're not afraid of losing your job or something if you get caught and arrested.
^ since you are in HK and you feel so passionate about this ... don't you want to be out in the streets with the protesters instead of giving us play by play?
Edit ... no, I'm serious we have twitter for that. Giving people fails on a car forum 1/2 way around the world vs. actively participating. I know you're not afraid of losing your job or something if you get caught and arrested.
Uhh didnt you hear, Beijing just kidnapped another Canadian for ransom.
Since you're halfway around the world, why do you care? I'm really starting to think you and badhobz are the same people waving chinese flags around as a Canadian supporting Wang Mengzhou.
Honestly, half the world knows China is a shithole. Posting here isn't going to change anyone's mind. Now shoo and go collect your 50 cent rmb
Some protesters started fighting back, throwing umbrellas and shit at the police, but people around them urged them not to. "They are Hong Kongers too"
Despite purposefully snapping peoples wrists in half while arresting them.
This is after they stormed the peaceful protest, trapping them in the mall, blocking every exit and shutting down the MTR, pepper spraying them, beating them with shields, breaking their arms like twigs...
After all these "violent clashes" which so far have been going one way, people are starting to fight back.
In other words, the tactics being used are starting to work. They are turning the protesters violent.
If you dont want to hear about HK how about you dont click on a thread with HK in the title?
Now go work on your broken slower than a modern day minivan wagon.
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Originally Posted by whitev70r
^ since you are in HK and you feel so passionate about this ... don't you want to be out in the streets with the protesters instead of giving us play by play?
Edit ... no, I'm serious we have twitter for that. Giving people fails on a car forum 1/2 way around the world vs. actively participating. I know you're not afraid of losing your job or something if you get caught and arrested.
If you dont want to hear about HK how about you dont click on a thread with HK in the title?
Now go work on your broken slower than a modern day minivan wagon.
Well, I'll be the first to admit I'm a keyboard SJW when it comes to this but wth can I do when I'm 1/2 way around the world and fixing my broken wagon all the time. All I can do is to give others pluses/thanks so they feel like they are doing something worthwhile and making a difference.
And I find that absorbing people's anger and vitrol without becoming the same also a way to be therapeutic and helpful ... so I willingly do that.
Oh yes. As if China gave fair trials and never tortured people into forced confessions. Keep drinking the kool-aid. They can make any shit up just to achieve their political goals, which is why Hong Kongers see them for what they are.
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Need to go back to old threads about riots, or protests, in the US, and read the same ppl crying about police in HK, rip on protesters in the states, and backing police lol
Pics came out of a cop who got his finger bitten... These pics show why. He was literally knuckle-deep into a dude's eye socket while he was fish-hooking him at the same time.
last night... imo.. is the tipping point for me over the matter
the PTU jumped into the fight, not your standard issue run of the mill cops, these are specially trained to contain things like this. so people disperse into the mall.. well for those that don't know.. this mall is the "gateway" to leave the area with 2 MAJOR bus terminus, and the MTR, one of the busiest along the light blue line
So PTU/riot blocks all entry ways, families, innocent people stuck inside with protestors who by this time have obviously changed etc..
fucked up thing is.. right above this mall, or this collection of malls are 20 towers of residential buildings + a hotel that is popular amongst tourists...
Yeah this was the worst night of all in terms of how bad the cops were... Showing up early (they said they would stand by until 11pm) so they could kettle the crowds into the mall while it was still open, with no escapes. This throws the protest into public bystanders, shoppers and residents (I already posted the pic of the horrified little girls) then they go insane, fish hooking, eye gouging, breaking arms, trying to strip protesters naked... They have gone completely off the rails.
Meanwhile, Carrie Lam is saying they are doing the right thing.
Regarding Tim Budong's comment. ^^ me too. When you start hearing protest EVERYDAY, it doesn't seem like "news" anymore. It's a regular occurrence and people's attention from oh my.. oh it's serious to now.... oh, another protest, just another location.
When was the last time you were told the message of the protest is (at the new location they are protesting). Don't say "fight china" "fight the movement"...
Sha Tin New City Plaza was a joke. Totally painful to watch. People post what we want to see; New City mall turned out into a lot of protestors throwing stuff from above. I don't even know what to feel anymore.
I asked a few retired HK officers, "why did they shut down the trains, why don't they let people escape with exits."
"It's all about containment. Their training is similar to lock down for school shootings or proper term is hold and secure. Protestors running around different areas every 15 minutes from 1 mall to another playground to another exit is never a good scenario; no police / training is going to be good enough to deal with. With social media, you'll see people saying we didn't move fast enough and it's the honest truth; no army / peace officer would be able to direct on the fly when swarm of people are running left right and center"
cops were surrounded and protesters got out of control; non stop umbrella hitting cops. 3:24 - 4:15.
I asked a few retired HK officers, "why did they shut down the trains, why don't they let people escape with exits."
"It's all about containment. Their training is similar to lock down for school shootings or proper term is hold and secure. Protestors running around different areas every 15 minutes from 1 mall to another playground to another exit is never a good scenario; no police / training is going to be good enough to deal with. With social media, you'll see people saying we didn't move fast enough and it's the honest truth; no army / peace officer would be able to direct on the fly when swarm of people are running left right and center"
Wait so the goal of the police operation is to make the people disperse. Letting them leave on the MTR achieves that goal.
So their police training teaches them when you have an angry mob of protesters who are only a threat to police, you should direct them and contain them in an area with the highest risk of collateral damage. It is completely different from a school shooting where the targets are students. Not only that, when you corner them with no escape, guess what happens? They fight even harder.
Let me give you an example of how this is retarded. You're chasing a group of gun-toting robbers escaping with their haul of goods.
Option A: You direct them into an elementary school filled with kids where they have nowhere to run.
Option B: You direct them towards the highway, but risk them escaping.
The Hong Kong police basically chose option A. It's no wonder most people joining the police are rejects who didn't have the brains to enter university. You can tell by that retarded police officer who thought that he was the fucking mountain or something. Going solo against 100 people. I guess he was used to being able to beat people with impunity that he didn't realize people can fight back.
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It's no wonder most people joining the police are rejects who didn't have the brains to enter university. You can tell by that retarded police officer who thought that he was the fucking mountain or something. Going solo against 100 people. I guess he was used to being able to beat people with impunity that he didn't realize people can fight back.
