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^^ LOL like how JT is asking our allies and Trump to tell China to release the Canadians that China arrested.
I laugh so hard when JT said that. Is like that's worse than doing nothing at all. No one is going to care or do anything unless you have them something in return or it is in their best interest not Canada's best interest.
Just release Meng Wanzhou and everything between Canada and China will be fine. Seriously. JT should stop being played by Trump.
Between China and Canada, yes. But not between US and Canada.
Should have never arrested her to begin with. Could have just diverted her flight somewhere else.
That's what we get when we elect an incompetent leader.
Rooked by Trump.
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Originally Posted by whitev70r
Just release Meng Wanzhou and everything between Canada and China will be fine. Seriously. JT should stop being played by Trump.
And before anyone gets their panties all knotted ... releasing Meng does not mean you're a flag waving communist, pro-Beijing, party member.
It just means Canada can be push around and be bullied. Canada should step up its game, instead of allowing HUAWEI to build the 4g network in some remote place in Canada we should just ban it right off the bat and make an announcement Canada is currently suspending using HUAWEI 's networking hardware and is reviewing to see if HUAWEI should be allow to parpicate in building Canada's 5g network.
lol @ suggesting Canada turn back on its strong diplomatic relations with another country, just to placate China. If Canada did that, no other decent country would trust them.
Realistically, I think the only country that might actually put forward some sort of meaningful pressure on China to hold back on its meddling in Hong Kong would be a Trump-led USA, but they are not really doing this out of the goodness of their heart, nor are they doing this to help Hong Kong. They might just do this solely in the US' best interest. And because the goal is to do something that results in what Trump thinks is the US' best interest, it may or may not happen at all. It all depends on how badly Trump can pressure China into caving into the US' demand.
In other words, no one should expect any country to help Hong Kong in any meaningful and practical manner.
For decades people complained about America acting as "the world's police". Now they start doing things in their own best interests, and people are bashing them for it... (not saying you are here, but I've seen it)
I agree though, no single country is going to be able to do much. But together, who knows...
Between China and Canada, yes. But not between US and Canada.
Should have never arrested her to begin with. Could have just diverted her flight somewhere else.
That's what we get when we elect an incompetent leader.
Rooked by Trump.
So your a trump nut hugger but want our P.M. to go against your man crush?
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Between China and Canada, yes. But not between US and Canada.
Should have never arrested her to begin with. Could have just diverted her flight somewhere else.
That's what we get when we elect an incompetent leader.
Rooked by Trump.
I never understood why the mentality of this. It doesn't matter if it's liberal, NDP or conservative.
Canada had to make a choice, it was between the US and China. The decision was easily understood given our geographical, economical and value consideration.
If anyone thought we could stay out of it, or any international diplomatic issues for that matter by not be a part of it and still be in the position where we are today, you are seriously mistaken.
You choose not to participate in something, then others wouldn't want you to participate in anything. This is how alliances are formed. We are not exactly in a position where we can just go along by ourselves.
USA is still very much the world police (persian Gulf/Baltic sea/guam+okinawa) and i dont expect that to change in our lifetime
China doesn’t want to be world police. They just want more resources. That’s why they’re in Africa. That’s why they’re in s America. And that’s why they are building a military base in the ocean by Philippines. They want to own resources.
It’s costly to be the world military police. Why trump always saying countries should be paying USA to protect them.
China doesn’t want to be world police. They just want more resources. That’s why they’re in Africa. That’s why they’re in s America. And that’s why they are building a military base in the ocean by Philippines. They want to own resources.
It’s costly to be the world military police. Why trump always saying countries should be paying USA to protect them.
China wants everyone to play by their (China's) rules, regardless of where the playing field actually is. But the dirty secret that they won't say aloud is, according to China's rules, China is always right.
The US wants everyone to play by their (US's) rules, regardless of where the playing field actually is. But the dirty secret that they won't say aloud is, according to US's rules, US is always right.
So your a trump nut hugger but want our P.M. to go against your man crush?
It's a game. And this government was handily outsmarted.
If you had the ability to put aside your feelings, you'd understand where blame should lay.
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Originally Posted by Hehe
I never understood why the mentality of this. It doesn't matter if it's liberal, NDP or conservative.
Canada had to make a choice, it was between the US and China. The decision was easily understood given our geographical, economical and value consideration.
If anyone thought we could stay out of it, or any international diplomatic issues for that matter by not be a part of it and still be in the position where we are today, you are seriously mistaken.
You choose not to participate in something, then others wouldn't want you to participate in anything. This is how alliances are formed. We are not exactly in a position where we can just go along by ourselves.
You don't believe we could have remained neutral in this particular matter?
What leverage have we gained by arresting her?
And what leverage have we lost?
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
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we (the West) demonstrated that there are repercussions to fraud and intellectual theft
we demonstrate that same virtue with snc as well?
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Originally Posted by Manic!
Sorry but running a country is not a game.
If it weren't a game, there'd be no winners and losers.
Could have lost the queen and cashed in with the rook.
Maybe you should stick to checkers.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
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It's a game. And this government was handily outsmarted.
If you had the ability to put aside your feelings, you'd understand where blame should lay.
You don't believe we could have remained neutral in this particular matter?
What leverage have we gained by arresting her?
And what leverage have we lost?
If you want to live in a country where they choose which laws to follow, and break others any time it's convenient for them, you're living in the wrong place
Back to original topic, it's a scary day for Hong Kong today. Quick summary:
-Side note, yesterday there was a succesful peaceful sit-in at the airport. The terminal was completely crowded with people peacefully singing and holding signs, generally not interfering with anyone. Some old mainlander started knocking signs out of peoples hands, so they yelled at him, pointed laser pens at him, and stuck a pro-democracy sign on his back. Mainland news only covered this part (obviously leaving out that he incided it)
-A protest was planned for Yuen Long, where for a time, police ignored triads/mainland thugs attacking random people, injuring dozens.
-Police have been officially standing by during all the protests planned so far. Legally, they say they're going to stand by, usually until 11pm. It's basically allowing legal assembly (though they have gone against it several times, trying to break up protests before 11pm)
-This time they said no, don't do this protest in Yuen Long. Any attempts to assemble will be broken up
-Obviously that's not going to stop anything, so the protest is taking place as planned.
-A senior Yuen Long resident was arrested for trying to stab someone, saying "black shirts are killing people!" For people who don't know, Yuen Long is basically a hick town.. Like Chilliwack I guess, or maybe even moreso I dunno how things are there anymore lol
Side note, today happens to be "lo por bang day" which originates in Yuen Long. So since there are thousands of protesters, obviously they're being rewarded for staying open
7:30pm: Protesters mostly leaving. It got out that the white-shirts are coming, and they don't want things to turn violent. We'll have to see if police let them go (a few times, they kettled them and trapped them in confined places) and if anyone ends up staying looking for a fight.
White shirt gangsters are just finishing dinner, and getting ready to go fight:
lol @ suggesting Canada turn back on its strong diplomatic relations with another country, just to placate China. If Canada did that, no other decent country would trust them.
I know half you guys are trolling, but come on
Actually, I think on the world stage, if you stand up against the US and her petulant child president, you would gain respect, not lose trust. Strong diplomatic relations (presumably, you mean with US) led to a long period of steel tariffs, long drawn out NAFTA negotiations, and other great 'benefits'.
Trolling ... ask the families of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor if they think I'm trolling.
Ok, if you don't like the idea of releasing Meng for violating a US imposed law against doing business with Iran, then at least be smart enough to expedite this extradition case and put her on a plane to US soil and stop being played by both sides. Hell ... not even expedite, how about just abiding by the extradition regulations ... the US had 60 days to present a case for her extradition, Meng was arrested Dec 1, 2018.
I just don't think democracy is the end all and be all solution to every corrupt government in the world. Those who think so are being quite naive and simple-minded. And I'm doing my small part in trying to bring a corrective to that.
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we demonstrate that same virtue with snc as well?
